Human Cloning Deemed "Impossible"

[Admiral Valdemar]

BBC News

It may never be a good scientist who says something is impossible unless they absolutely see no way something can be done, but this seems a real knock-back for the biotech industry if it becomes reality.

Thoughts.

[Joe]

Hmm. Well, I guess this proves that stormtroopers aren't clones, once and for all.

Yes, I know that was maximum lameness.

[Shinova]

If this holds up, then there goes the cloning industry.

Could they still do designer babies though?

[Admiral Valdemar]

If this holds up, then there goes the cloning industry.

Could they still do designer babies though?

That depends. This seems to only concern meitosis procedures in cell replication, I have worked with genetically engineered organism before like E. coli, but there is a world of difference between an asexual microbe and a sexual multicellular organism.

Maybe it's just too complex to do for now, human DNA is one of the most complicated molecules in the known Universe and as biotech only really started 50 years bang on now with Watson and Crick, I'd say we still have a way to go before we really see what we can do. The biotech industry is the next industrial revolution, it would be a shame if this ultimate goal, no matter how evil or useful some see it, would be seen as impossible.

[Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi]

That's nonsense. If not cloning, then where did the Backstreet Boys and N*SYNC come from?

[Admiral Valdemar]

That's nonsense. If not cloning, then where did the Backstreet Boys and N*SYNC come from?

They, like Britney Spears and Christina Aguilera, were a result of a chemical spill at a weapons plant in Yemen.

[neoolong]

So cloning a legion of beautiful women to be my harem is an impossibility?

[Howedar]

The way I read it, human cloning is not impossible but extremely difficult to come by, and successful attempts are as much a fluke as anything.

[Admiral Valdemar]

The way I read it, human cloning is not impossible but extremely difficult to come by, and successful attempts are as much a fluke as anything.

That's pretty much the way it's always been, Dolly for instance was the fluke in the case for sheep. Out of the thousands of eggs they tried to implant with different DNA, only around 30 eggs actually made it and out of those implanted into wombs of other sheep, only Dolly was created.

[UltraViolence83]

Yay. I never liked biotech anyway. Hopefully they can still grow human organs, though.

[Admiral Valdemar]

Yay. I never liked biotech anyway. Hopefully they can still grow human organs, though.

I never liked maths either, but as with maths, if biotech disappeared tomorrow you would be in a world of shit and people have no idea how much biotechnology contributes to the world.

The next time you drink a can of pop or beer, look at the ingredients. I guarantee that the only natural ones will be the carbonated water, everything else will be grown in vats by microbes. I could go more indepth, but biotech is a BIG thing, it is the industry to be in now as far as growth (no pun intended) is concerned.

I'd also be interested in seeing how many diabetics hate biotech as well.

[UltraViolence83]

I have no qualms about things like beer ingredients being grown in vats or whatnot, it's the transgenic shit and all sorts of general weirdness that I don't like, and that's what I think when I think of biotech. After all, isn't agriculture itself biotech? I'm more concered with the ethical applications of advanced biotech. To be quite frank, I despise the biotech megacorporations. The harder times they fall on the better.

I know full damn well tomatoes are grown in greenhouses and genetically "enhanced" (ha!), but they are all fucked up and tiny and bitter nowadays. Tell me this: After you bite into a home-grown fucking HUGE tomato you grew in the back yard, which is the better fruit here?

God I want a tomato sandwich now.

Heh. Though I'm far from being a hippie I think I despise MOST megacorporations. FIGHT THE POWER!

[UltraViolence83]

Though it's quantity over quality tomatowise, they feed more people. Acceptable trade-off I would guess.

[neoolong]

I have no qualms about things like beer ingredients being grown in vats or whatnot, it's the transgenic shit and all sorts of general weirdness that I don't like, and that's what I think when I think of biotech. After all, isn't agriculture itself biotech? I'm more concered with the ethical applications of advanced biotech. To be quite frank, I despise the biotech megacorporations. The harder times they fall on the better.

I know full damn well tomatoes are grown in greenhouses and genetically "enhanced" (ha!), but they are all fucked up and tiny and bitter nowadays. Tell me this: After you bite into a home-grown fucking HUGE tomato you grew in the back yard, which is the better fruit here?

God I want a tomato sandwich now.

Heh. Though I'm far from being a hippie I think I despise MOST megacorporations. FIGHT THE POWER!

Who do you think will be developing the most advanced genetically engineered foods?

[Admiral Valdemar]

I hate to break this to you, but if you want tastier, healthier and longer lasting fruit like tomatoes, go GM. Organic propaganda is simply a cry for help from hippies and eco-guys who see their world as being violated by man, the man has the tech. and he has the money to make better stuff than any normal organic farmer.

If however you want every disease Mother Nature can throw at you, eat organic. I'll stick with my GM stuff since, unlike those that seem to see it as pure evil, I know what it's all about.

Incidentally, you better not eat any type of cereal for breakfast or fast-food else your whole argument just went up in smoke.

[UltraViolence83]

I'm not that eco...But I DO know my tomatoes. Store-bought SUCKS ASS my good man. The wild chives in my backyard fucking rule, as well. I've yet to taste a store-bought food that tastes/is better than the quasi-wild things I've eaten. I'm not a Luddite, but I am a naturalist.

I would be more tolerant of biotech if they would stop lobbying the government and get forced to put labels on their products instead of mingling them with the 'normal' crops.

[UltraViolence83]

That's nonsense. If not cloning, then where did the Backstreet Boys and N*SYNC come from?

They, like Britney Spears and Christina Aguilera, were a result of a chemical spill at a weapons plant in Yemen.

What about P.O.D. and Limp Bizkit? I nominate they are from the shit scraped off a public toilet.

[InnerBrat]

So cloning a legion of beautiful women to be my harem is an impossibility?

Nope, you'll just have to colect them off the street like the rest of us.
Wanna borrow my stun gun?

[Sokar]

I'm not that eco...But I DO know my tomatoes. Store-bought SUCKS ASS my good man. The wild chives in my backyard fucking rule, as well. I've yet to taste a store-bought food that tastes/is better than the quasi-wild things I've eaten. I'm not a Luddite, but I am a naturalist.

I would be more tolerant of biotech if they would stop lobbying the government and get forced to put labels on their products instead of mingling them with the 'normal' crops.

"Thoes rabidly opposed to biotechnology have never gone a day knowing real hunger" - From the "Frontline" episode on Gen-eng foods, (I can't remember his name but hes the head researcher at the Crick Biotechnology Lab at Texas Tech)

Naturalist methods and food techniques will not feed the worlds burgenoning population in the long run, the yeilds are simply too low. Only a fairly small percentage of the Earths arable land has the right combination of soil and climate to to grow high yeild mainstay crops such as corn, wheat and soybeans. Much of it , while farmable, will only yeild useful amounts if the crops have been previously modified through GM techiniques to suit the particulars of a given area.

A good example of this is a form of yam grown all across central and sub-saharan Africa, much of the soil is contaminated with a blight that attacks this tuber and drives crop yeilds into the ground, forcing the locals to clear ever larger fields in hopes of producing enough of these stunted tubers to meet demand. In copeation with the UN , Monsanto, one of the largest of the biotech corporations, reengineered the yams using of all things amphibian DNA to make the tubers blight resistant. This one use of this technology has helped ease food woes all across Africa, in the video I saw the blight resistant tuber was easily 4x larger that the infected tuber grown in the same field.

GM food is the future.

[Peregrin Toker]

That's nonsense. If not cloning, then where did the Backstreet Boys and N*SYNC come from?

They, like Britney Spears and Christina Aguilera, were a result of a chemical spill at a weapons plant in Yemen.

No, they're escapees from an alien biotechnical experiment.

[Batman]

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They, like Britney Spears and Christina Aguilera, were a result of a chemical spill at a weapons plant in Yemen.

No, they're escapees from an alien biotechnical experiment.

Not neccessarily mutually exclusive. That chemical spill in Yemen might have been an alien biotechnical experiment.

[Darth Gojira]

That's nonsense. If not cloning, then where did the Backstreet Boys and N*SYNC come from?

They, like Britney Spears and Christina Aguilera, were a result of a chemical spill at a weapons plant in Yemen.

No, they're escapees from an alien biotechnical experiment.

You'd think the aliens would have had soundproof walls.......

[GrandMasterTerwynn]

I have no qualms about things like beer ingredients being grown in vats or whatnot, it's the transgenic shit and all sorts of general weirdness that I don't like, and that's what I think when I think of biotech. After all, isn't agriculture itself biotech? I'm more concered with the ethical applications of advanced biotech. To be quite frank, I despise the biotech megacorporations. The harder times they fall on the better.

I know full damn well tomatoes are grown in greenhouses and genetically "enhanced" (ha!), but they are all fucked up and tiny and bitter nowadays. Tell me this: After you bite into a home-grown fucking HUGE tomato you grew in the back yard, which is the better fruit here?

Minor nitpick. A home-grown tomato found in your backyard is the result of countless generations of primitive biological engineering. And more recent strains were probably the result of more sophisticated forms of biotech.

[UltraViolence83]

Dammit, I'm not opposed to biotech crops used to feed the starving millions. I just don't want it to take over everyting. I want to have a choice of natural crops vs. engineered crops. If I were starving, I wouldn't care.

[UltraViolence83]

Minor nitpick. A home-grown tomato found in your backyard is the result of countless generations of primitive biological engineering. And more recent strains were probably the result of more sophisticated forms of biotech.

Ah, my friend, but it grew in the wild, not in a company greenhouse.