Perinquus wrote:I can understand them not letting the troops bring back AK-47s (the ones issued by he Iraqi army are full auto, and you can't own fully automatic weapons without a class III weapons permit - and no machine guns or true assault rifles made after 1986 have been approved for private ownership in any case, and no foreign made ones manufactured after 1968 [this means the number of full auto weapons in the U.S. approved for private ownership is finite), but why they won't let them have pistols, bayonets, helmets, flags, etc. is beyond me.
They wouldn't let them have pistols in the first Gulf War either. My best friend is a Gulf War vet, and all they'd let him have was a bayonet. I think it is modern day squeamishness and political correctness run amok.
Can you tell me why the police destroy weapons and ammos they seized when they arrest criminals,i think police could use them.
Jerry Orbach 1935 2004 Admiral Valdemar~You know you've fucked up when Wacky Races has more realistic looking vehicles than your own.
Political correctness again. It wastes potential money that could be made from private sale. It's like those buy back programs lots of cities did to "get guns off the street". I was here when they ran one in Norfolk. Drug dealers and armed robbers weren't turning in their guns. People were bringing in old, rusty suicide specials that had sat in dresser drawers for 30 years and getting $50 for pistols that were essentially worthless. Or else there were people who hated guns bringing in valuable old antiques that had been left them by deceased relatives. One lady, I shit you not, brought in a pair of cased duelling pistols! I almost cried. they were beuatiful, finely engraved examples of the gunsmith's art, and a piece of history. They would have fetched four figures at auction, maybe even five. She pocketed her fifty bucks, and into the chopper they went.
Very few people brought in regular, modern firearms of the type criminals are using in crimes these days. This buy back did jack shit to get guns out of the hands of criminals, but the city paid out thousans of bucks that day. Many cities besides Norfolk ran similar programs.
Your tax dollars at work.
This "no trophies" mentality is more of this modern, politically correct, bloody minded nonsense.
Incidentally, they had one of these buy backs before I joined the force. Some officers showed up with several hundred dollars in their pockets, and "intercepted" people who had guns to turn in, and gave them $20 more than the city would pay. By the time I got on the force, the department was threatening to suspend any of us if we did that again.
uh, well, it´s not that bad. this way they´re going to keep the soldiers from taking home bigger or valuable stuff which is the property of the irakis. the soldiers know as well as the generals that the trophies such as badges can´t be detected so it´s not going to be a problem to take them back to the us.
Grand Admiral Thrawn wrote:Can't you de-automatic a AK?
The only way to do it legally is to manufacture a completely new receiver group and firing mechanism. This means you are reusing the barrel, stock and forend, gas system, etc, but the receiver and fire control group must be new. Moreover the design of the new components must be such that you cannot simply put the old fire control group back in and reconvert it to selective fire.
From a purely technical standpoint, you can simply replace the fire control group with a mechanism that permits only semi-auto fire. But according to the BATF "once a machine gun, always a machine gun", so it cannot be legally sold to civilians.
Perinquus wrote:Political correctness again. It wastes potential money that could be made from private sale. It's like those buy back programs lots of cities did to "get guns off the street". I was here when they ran one in Norfolk. Drug dealers and armed robbers weren't turning in their guns. People were bringing in old, rusty suicide specials that had sat in dresser drawers for 30 years and getting $50 for pistols that were essentially worthless. Or else there were people who hated guns bringing in valuable old antiques that had been left them by deceased relatives. One lady, I shit you not, brought in a pair of cased duelling pistols! I almost cried. they were beuatiful, finely engraved examples of the gunsmith's art, and a piece of history. They would have fetched four figures at auction, maybe even five. She pocketed her fifty bucks, and into the chopper they went.
Very few people brought in regular, modern firearms of the type criminals are using in crimes these days. This buy back did jack shit to get guns out of the hands of criminals, but the city paid out thousans of bucks that day. Many cities besides Norfolk ran similar programs.
Your tax dollars at work.
This "no trophies" mentality is more of this modern, politically correct, bloody minded nonsense.
Man thats dumb i guess these old pistols were destroyed,its like here they did a gun for amnesty thing and mostly old guns and rifle were turned in,someone even gave an old rifle engraved property of Montreal police dated 1895.
Jerry Orbach 1935 2004 Admiral Valdemar~You know you've fucked up when Wacky Races has more realistic looking vehicles than your own.
SHIT! My grandfather brought back a very cool Walther P38, from the SS officer he shot. I has the swastica and the SS twin lightening bolts in the grips.
Funny how all the SS men he met, after liberating the death camp with Patton, were shot trying to escape. He was one of the men who marched the citizens of the nearby town through the place.
I bet a lot of Saddam goons will meet the same fate.
Hmmmmmm.
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Perinquus wrote:and no machine guns or true assault rifles made after 1986 have been approved for private ownership in any case, and no foreign made ones manufactured after 1968 [this means the number of full auto weapons in the U.S. approved for private ownership is finite), snip.
Your shitting me?
I live in a nation that has what you would concider strict gun control, but with the right licence you can own anything, up to and including MBT's and artillery of all types, all in full working order {ammo for arty and tanks is a no no though}. getting these licenses is quite hard and a tad expensive but no one is going to stop you owning what you want...
Our laws tend, in spirit, to keep guns out of criminal hands and the hands of the head jobs, and it work reasonably well.
Via money Europe could become political in five years" "... the current communities should be completed by a Finance Common Market which would lead us to European economic unity. Only then would ... the mutual commitments make it fairly easy to produce the political union which is the goal"
No, he's not shitting you.
Thanks to the Democrats back in 1986 (some asshole from NJ specifically, IIRC), no new full autos can be registered for civilian use.
This despite the fact that out of 250,000+ civilian legal full autos, only one had been used in a crime. And that one was by an Ohio police officer doing a mob hit on his off time.
All this has done is drive the price of 'pre-86' full autos into the stratosphere. A WW2 Sten gun will go for over $1000 easily and a HK MP5 goes for over $8000.
The machine gun ban of 1986 is one reason why I don't trust the Democrats on gun issues.
"You say that it is your custom to burn widows. Very well. We also have a custom: when men burn a woman alive, we tie a rope around their necks and we hang them. Build your funeral pyre; beside it, my carpenters will build a gallows. You may follow your custom. And then we will follow ours."- General Sir Charles Napier
Glocksman wrote:No, he's not shitting you.
Thanks to the Democrats back in 1986 (some asshole from NJ specifically, IIRC), no new full autos can be registered for civilian use.
This despite the fact that out of 250,000+ civilian legal full autos, only one had been used in a crime. And that one was by an Ohio police officer doing a mob hit on his off time.
All this has done is drive the price of 'pre-86' full autos into the stratosphere. A WW2 Sten gun will go for over $1000 easily and a HK MP5 goes for over $8000.
The machine gun ban of 1986 is one reason why I don't trust the Democrats on gun issues.
its weird then. Here, with the right licence, by no means easy to get, you can have wat you want..allthough I think there are limits on magazine capacity and a full auto must be made semi.
I have to agree with that chap who did Bowling for Columbine, you have a society problem. If, in NZ, you can own what you want and yet we have had only 27 police dead from firearms since 1890 something. Mind you most here own hunting rifles and old 303's from the war...
Via money Europe could become political in five years" "... the current communities should be completed by a Finance Common Market which would lead us to European economic unity. Only then would ... the mutual commitments make it fairly easy to produce the political union which is the goal"
Goddamn PC horseshit. Weapons are understandable (although I think rifles and swords and pistols should be okay) but uniforms or helmets? Fer cryin' out loud, what a bunch of fucktards!
If I go back to Israel I'll put my skills to work for the IDF. I hate this PC manure we have to choke on every day here in the States.
Something about Libertarianism always bothered me. Then one day, I realized what it was:
Libertarian philosophy can be boiled down to the phrase, "Work Will Make You Free."
In Libertarianism, there is no Government, so the Bosses are free to exploit the Workers.
In Communism, there is no Government, so the Workers are free to exploit the Bosses.
So in Libertarianism, man exploits man, but in Communism, its the other way around! If all you want to do is have some harmless, mindless fun, go H3RE INST3ADZ0RZ!! Grrr! Fight my Brute, you pansy!
The fact is that a mockumentary larded with untruths and brazen self-contradiction is gobbling up documentary prizes: a special award at the Cannes Film Festival, the National Board of Review's "Best Documentary," the International Documentary Association's choice for best documentary ever, and the Academy Award for Best Documentary.
Countless actors and producers may have railed at the Academy for poor taste, but no artist has ever demonstrated the film elite's hyper-partisan preference for political correctness over truth as thoroughly and well as has Michael Moore.
He also has written a couple of books that address the differences between US society and other societies on the issues of crime and guns.
I've read the first one and it is an interesting read.
"You say that it is your custom to burn widows. Very well. We also have a custom: when men burn a woman alive, we tie a rope around their necks and we hang them. Build your funeral pyre; beside it, my carpenters will build a gallows. You may follow your custom. And then we will follow ours."- General Sir Charles Napier
Mind you most here own hunting rifles and old 303's from the war...
In Bradyspeak, those are 'high powered sniping rifles'
"You say that it is your custom to burn widows. Very well. We also have a custom: when men burn a woman alive, we tie a rope around their necks and we hang them. Build your funeral pyre; beside it, my carpenters will build a gallows. You may follow your custom. And then we will follow ours."- General Sir Charles Napier
Mind you most here own hunting rifles and old 303's from the war...
In Bradyspeak, those are 'high powered sniping rifles'
In the case of the 303 they are correct they were used as a sniper rifle
Via money Europe could become political in five years" "... the current communities should be completed by a Finance Common Market which would lead us to European economic unity. Only then would ... the mutual commitments make it fairly easy to produce the political union which is the goal"
?? this guy makes some interesting points that he fails to back up
According to the police reports, the foolish hunters had only a still camera, but Bowling presents a fabricated video clip which purports to have been filmed by the hunter's friend. Because the clip appears to be a home movie, Bowling makes hunters seem viciously callous: The "hunter" holding the camera continues recording after his fellow hunter has been wounded, rather than immediately stopping to help the friend.
As to the militia, well, in case this guy didnt work it out, he was taking the micky out of them! Honestly after reading that I get the impression that this chap has the same issue that he claims Moore has. Hardly surprising given the sites political slant. Thats not to say Moore is perfect in his film, his is not, but even a cursory glance shows that something is not right in American society.
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He also has written a couple of books that address the differences between US society and other societies on the issues of crime and guns.
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I've read the first one and it is an interesting read.
Well Im not really prepared to comment on the boks without reading them first
Via money Europe could become political in five years" "... the current communities should be completed by a Finance Common Market which would lead us to European economic unity. Only then would ... the mutual commitments make it fairly easy to produce the political union which is the goal"
My problem with Moore is his willingness to use 'facts' that just are not true and use editing tricks to give a false portrayal of events.
Here's just one of the many lies and distortions:
Fact: Heston's "cold dead hands" speech, which leads off Moore's depiction of the Denver meeting, was not given at Denver after Columbine. It was given a year later in Charlotte, North Carolina, and was a response to his being given the musket, a collector's piece, at that annual meeting
Kopel and Hardy are correct when they say that Bowling is not a documentary. It may be a satirical look at the violence in American society, but it is not a documentary. Documentaries don't portray fiction. Moore does.
"You say that it is your custom to burn widows. Very well. We also have a custom: when men burn a woman alive, we tie a rope around their necks and we hang them. Build your funeral pyre; beside it, my carpenters will build a gallows. You may follow your custom. And then we will follow ours."- General Sir Charles Napier
Glocksman wrote:My problem with Moore is his willingness to use 'facts' that just are not true and use editing tricks to give a false portrayal of events.
Here's just one of the many lies and distortions:
Fact: Heston's "cold dead hands" speech, which leads off Moore's depiction of the Denver meeting, was not given at Denver after Columbine. It was given a year later in Charlotte, North Carolina, and was a response to his being given the musket, a collector's piece, at that annual meeting
Kopel and Hardy are correct when they say that Bowling is not a documentary. It may be a satirical look at the violence in American society, but it is not a documentary. Documentaries don't portray fiction. Moore does.
Actually it portrays strawmen but the underlying issue seems to be correct. American society has something wrong with it.Well it has something wrong according to some lights and not others
Via money Europe could become political in five years" "... the current communities should be completed by a Finance Common Market which would lead us to European economic unity. Only then would ... the mutual commitments make it fairly easy to produce the political union which is the goal"
Perinquus wrote:I can understand them not letting the troops bring back AK-47s (the ones issued by he Iraqi army are full auto, and you can't own fully automatic weapons without a class III weapons permit - and no machine guns or true assault rifles made after 1986 have been approved for private ownership in any case, and no foreign made ones manufactured after 1968 [this means the number of full auto weapons in the U.S. approved for private ownership is finite), but why they won't let them have pistols, bayonets, helmets, flags, etc. is beyond me.
They wouldn't let them have pistols in the first Gulf War either. My best friend is a Gulf War vet, and all they'd let him have was a bayonet. I think it is modern day squeamishness and political correctness run amok.
In the very least allow the soldiers to have the AK-47s modified into single shot. These aren't your standard civilian. These people are trained proper saftey with very deadly weapons. I think certain allowances should be made.
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they were used as a sniper rifle 
