Xbox or Ps2? Xbox or Ps2?

[Cal Wright]

Most multi-platform games are released at around the same time (like Spiderman). Or are you claiming that Microsoft is clairvoyant?

Yes I am. I also find it ludicrous and outragous that you would make such a claim. Where exactly do they go above and beyond other systems on the same game graphic wise? Solar flares, light effects, smoother models?

Splinter Cell, though, is thoroughly bad ass. However, it's hitting the PS2.

... Stripped down, graphically.

That's it, I've had it. Here it comes folks! Hit the Deck!!!

BULL-FUCKING-SHIT

has found the gaming forum.

How is it stripped down? I wish I had the magic powers of debate without proof.

Me. The added difficulty of installing a game on your computer is infinitesimal compared to the added gains of having better controls, greater customizability, and better graphics.

Here we go again. So having to install, reinstall, get the patches, install, reinstall, on a constant basis (especially if you don't have room to keep the games on your computer) is small? Better controls can be debated easily. Customizing I feel is sorely lacking in most consoles, due to the basis that they are designed a lot more hard core initially. Take Windwaker, It be hell to run that thing if you fucked with the controls. Metroid Prime allowed you to swap Visor and Gun controls but that was it. Yes, I believer there isn't, at least recently, a PC game that restricts you from customizing your controls. Then again, most of them are RTS or FPS, so it makes sense to allow players to keep the controls identical. The Graphic thing again is bullshit. Early on when compared to consoles like the N64 or PS1 at the time games started coming in to thier own thanks to powerful graphics cards. However, now there's not much of a difference. IF you have a powerful enough computer, a game such as Doom III will more than likely outdo the XBox, but then again, who wants an XBox? Quake III on the DC had little to no differences graphic wise.

That would almost be debatable, however Nintendo doesn't give a flying fuck about online gaming, and the Sony isn't interested in a market that doesn't bring in bukoos of dollars.

Then it's not debateable, is it?

Probably not, but I need to bitch about something. Can't let the Big N get out of this discussion.

I never contended otherwise. Graphics shouldn't be the most important part of a game.

But you make it out to be. Constantly. Even in this very post that I am shredding like an Enron official.

However, utilized properly, they can make the difference between a "Good Game" and an "Absolutely Incredible Game".

Like Wind Waker, but then again, I can go back to the very first Sonic and still have the awe and wonder from thier 'outdated' 16 Bit graphics.

Further, the less a designer has to worry about working graphical efficiency into his game, the more time he can spend making more game.

To bad so many developers don't take that ONE to heart.

I'll throw in my towel as one of the few people on the planet disappointed with VC due simply to the fact that the game wasn't big enough.

Your more like alone in that one. I thought it was very fucking huge.

But, you bought and XBox...

... Because I was able to look more than two months ahead at the games list that Xbox is going to have available.

and your saying I didn't? What the fuck. I knew Zelda and Metroid were coming LOOONG before the Gamecube was coming out. Plus other titles, like Resident Evil series, the Mario Parties and later found various other titles like Sega hitting the box. Playstation 2, Gran Turismo 3, Metal Gears. What the hell. Could you even name a title that was supposed to be hitting the XBox more than three months before its planned launch? Anyone can come out with crap on a stick, Nintendo and Sony are slapping the market with QUALITY games.

Then you must have absolutely no taste in games.

Ri-i-i-i-ight...


You don't. Someone already flashed it in your face that the PS1 has something for everyone. Their library is HUGE.

I'm well aware of the library that PS1 has. 95% of the games suck ass.

Beats the XBox. 100% suck on that POS

The other 5% are either dated or have been redone better on either PC or other console games.

No one wants to touch the shit on the XBox. They have, and it's proving to be crap.

Almost none of the PS1 games have the "classic" appeal of old NES or even SNES console games.

Not for people like you and me. Hell, the Atari has fucking classics that I rarely find today, and I'm more open minded that a vast majority of gamers out there. Then again, I find it hard to believe your going to try and pull the 'XBox on the other hand has classic appeal' on me.

First off, I hate games like that, that's right I said it.

Good for you. I don't.

Because they come over and play crap on a stick on your XBox.

I was never a huge RPG fan

Good for you. I am.

But you have an XBox. How many RPGs?

And won't work worth half a damn.

Clearly you have zero experience with GTA ported to PC. It works wonderfully.

I have ZERO experience with ONE game on the PC. But I've already bitched in this thread once about how much crap goes wrong on PC titles.

You keep crying about how GTA has gone to the computer. What about Star Wars Starfighter, it's on Ps2 XBox, and PC!!!

What about it? I didn't mention it. I have zero interest in playing it. The Star Wars console games (excluding JK2, but that was a PC game originally) have been very disappointing.

You missed the point. Maybe that's why you own an XBox. Your easily decieved. You keep crowing about ONE damn game that got ported to PC. Which I reminded you started on PC to begin with. It proves absolutely jack shit. To me most Star Wars games period have lacked. the X-Wing games feel sluggish. Dark Forces II just plain sucked. Despite the Jediness in it. Rebellion, Force Commander, all crap. Play Jedi Power Battles, or Racer on the Dreamcast. Bounty Hunter on the PS2.

That Splinter Cell game you mentioned, no that you PIMPED, is coming on on *gasp* PS2 and PC!!! HOLY SHIT, talk about taking a piss in your wheaties dude.

Calm the fuck down, you primate. I "pimped" Splinter Cell? By mentioning it off-hand? Criminy, get a grip on reality.

What the FUCK!!! Go to HELL. Yes you mentioned it at the opening. Your the one that brought up Vice City and kept crying about how it's going PC. Yet I bring up and throw back in your face the very bull shit you spew, and I AM THE PRIMATE?!? What a stupid fuck. Oh, that's right, your an XBox owner.

SirNitram...

The PS2 only has Grand Theft Auto? Whose being the dishonest/ignorant one now?

Where did I claim that PS2 "only" has Grand Theft Auto? Learn to read, simpleton.[/quote]

Alright, he might be able to defend himself, but his avatar sparks youth in my soul, since I love Final Fantasy on the NES.

He's refering to your remark on peole that see only Halo as a title on the XBox. Were as you keep trying to use GTA on the PS2 as your all damning source. You sir, are an asshat.

[aphexmonster]

Hey, I haven't played every MegaMan game. I've only played Mega Man 1-6, Mega Man X1, X4, X5, Mega Man Xtreme. I haven't tried my hand at the Gameboy games, or X2, X3, X6, or the Legends, MegaMan 7 or 8, or I know they brought a game over, must be that Mega Man and Bass game. Shit, I'm afraid of what they might keep doing to the Mega Man games.

Theres a pretty cool mega man game in the arcades too. Ive seen it at two or three of them around here. Its two players, and you can pick Mega man, Zero, Bass, and Protoman. Its kinda shitty that its only the boss battles, but its stiill a dope ass game.

Thats Bass dipshit, with the Treble adapter. If im not mistaken thats from Megaman and Bass.

And i think its Forte actually. They look kinda similar, but Bass has these things around his ears.
This is bass

and this is forte

[SirNitram]

SirNitram...

The PS2 only has Grand Theft Auto? Whose being the dishonest/ignorant one now?

Where did I claim that PS2 "only" has Grand Theft Auto? Learn to read, simpleton.

How about you follow your own advice?

What does PS2 have? Hmm... Vice City. And that's out on PC. Frankly, there's no reason to buy a PS2, in my opinion.

Please don't lie so blatantly, you complete and utter moron.

[Kuja]

The PS1 has the largest library and probably the most versatile selection of genres out there.

I'm well aware of the library that PS1 has. 95% of the games suck ass. The other 5% are either dated or have been redone better on either PC or other console games. Almost none of the PS1 games have the "classic" appeal of old NES or even SNES console games.

*SNIFFSNIFFSNIFF*

I smell an opinion masquerading as an argument.

[Cal Wright]

Why Iggy, I do believe you've unconvered a big stinking pile of shit. Let's burry it while we still can.

[DPDarkPrimus]

I knew this thread would erupt into a mindless flamefest, and it has. Put this this puppy to sleep before it starts making pitiful whining noises.

[Lagmonster]

The PS/2 is the king of consoles, since you have the incredible PS/1 library to choose from as well as otherwise, making it lord and master unchallenged.

The Cube takes second place by virtue of its trademark games and high-quality, unless we count the now-discontinued SNES, in which case the Cube gets third place.

The X-Box should be laughed at from a reasonable distance, because if one of its controllers falls over, you could be killed under it. Honestly, there's NO REASON TO GET AN X-BOX. Just buy a PC. It'll have all the same games sooner or later, and in better condition. And any games the X-Box has that the PC won't have usually migrate to the PS/2 eventually. And we already KNOW that's a better system.

[phongn]

I knew this thread would erupt into a mindless flamefest, and it has. Put this this puppy to sleep before it starts making pitiful whining noises.

We're watching it.

[aphexmonster]

I knew this thread would erupt into a mindless flamefest, and it has. Put this this puppy to sleep before it starts making pitiful whining noises.

We're watching it.

This isn't a flame fest ^^ no no, we love the xbox, and the ps2, and the GC, and .... we love eachother too! ^^;;; honestly ... no suspition here.

[Shinigami]

The PS1 has the largest library and probably the most versatile selection of genres out there.

I'm well aware of the library that PS1 has. 95% of the games suck ass. The other 5% are either dated or have been redone better on either PC or other console games. Almost none of the PS1 games have the "classic" appeal of old NES or even SNES console games.

*SNIFFSNIFFSNIFF*

I smell an opinion masquerading as an argument.

I have to agree. Most PS1 titles are forgettable, and the ones that aren't have already been topped. The likelihood of someone going back to play Spyro the Dragon with the same enthusiasm as if they were playing Actraiser or Super Double Dragon is slim and none.

Back to subject, looking at my choices and I think I'll stick with the Dreamcast a little longer. X-box has about 5 games worth buying at all. PS2 offers me little more in terms of must-own games than Shinobi, VF4, GGXX, and Devil May Cry 2. Notice I didn't list Grand Theft Auto. The only good thing about this game is the freedom, and it doesn't hold a candle to Shenmue. Besides, any game that glitches so bad you can be shot through a brick wall doesn't deserve points for realism.

[Spyder]

I remember reading somewhere that the PS2 was made from Japanese military grade hardware. Can anyone confirm that?

[Cal Wright]

I have to agree. Most PS1 titles are forgettable, and the ones that aren't have already been topped.

Like which ones? Certainly not Colony Wars? What about the Final Fantasies?
Gamers are always looking for the newest games. Programmers want to work on something fresh. It's an endless cycle. One that applies to EVERYTHING.

The likelihood of someone going back to play Spyro the Dragon with the same enthusiasm as if they were playing Actraiser or Super Double Dragon is slim and none.

How many people are going to fire up Faxanadu again? Or a Boy and His Blob? Really this is NOT a fair comparison. Spyro is crap. It's just overhyped on the cartoon network. Besides, Super Double Dragon sucks, when compared to say, oh the original Double Dragon.

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ck to subject, looking at my choices and I think I'll stick with the Dreamcast a little longer.

That is about the smartest thing anyone has said. It sucks no one would buy it, or developers would support it. Me and my friends get together and play the shit out of that system.

X-box has about 5 games worth buying at all.

That's if they're in the bargain bin with a buy one get four free deal.

PS2 offers me little more in terms of must-own games than Shinobi, VF4, GGXX, and Devil May Cry 2. Notice I didn't list Grand Theft Auto. The only good thing about this game is the freedom, and it doesn't hold a candle to Shenmue.

I like it's roaming around bit, it's like a FPS/Driving Sim in one. Side missions and bonus nonsense to boot. The game can piss me off easily, but I do keep going back to it simply because I can either screw around or actually play a game. Pretty nice.

Besides, any game that glitches so bad you can be shot through a brick wall doesn't deserve points for realism.

heh. They're all about guilty of that. I still find arguments about the PS1 lacking. For people like myself or my brother, things just aren't going to compare with the golden age of gaming, or the great console wars. My nephew though, knows jack shit about these games or that time. So PS1 games are 'classic' or becoming that way to him. But in relation to the 8/16 bit wars. One was the opening to an incrediable world, the other showed everyone what stiff competition does to the market. I'm more willing to put cash down on titles, much like Zelda, Metroid, that are going to bring me first off, hours of play the first time through, because of gameplay and story, then with the added graphics. Many titles have floated around for a while that were just shit. The market is flooded with upstarts and nonsense. If the corps are really pushed into making something, Nintendo type games happen. That's probably the main problem between Xbox and PS2 is right now. Titles ARE going between the two machines. Which is a shame, since if someone was going to get an exclusive, then it push to be a HELL of a lot better, then trying to meet a deadline and cut even.

Notice the developers that are actually there to make a game, and make one that will cause you to slave yourself to the title and the system itself. Once again, titles like Zelda on the Nintendo. Grant Turismo or MGS your preference on Sony's machines. Then Halo on the XBox. One thing that sucks though, is I was really interested in the mech game on the Xbox that had the meglo controller to it. If I had the cash for the the system, the game and the joystick, a place to put it all, and more titles to choose from later, I'dve picked it up. That's what I did for GT3. I bought that and the steering wheel. It was well worth the price of admission.

[Cal Wright]

I remember reading somewhere that the PS2 was made from Japanese military grade hardware. Can anyone confirm that?

No, I can't. But it does shoot missiles.

[Anarchist Bunny]

Thats Bass dipshit, with the Treble adapter. If im not mistaken thats from Megaman and Bass.

And i think its Forte actually. They look kinda similar, but Bass has these things around his ears.
This is bass http://www.apexcorp.com/~rvhorn/assimil ... /bass2.gif

and this is forte
http://www.classicgaming.com/ummxzw/mm3 ... teglow.gif

Bass=Forte just like Megaman=Rockman and Protoman=Blues. The diffrence in his crests is due to the fact that he is using the Treble(his version of Rush) adapter for jet pack mode.

[Ghost Rider]

One thing that sucks though, is I was really interested in the mech game on the Xbox that had the meglo controller to it. If I had the cash for the the system, the game and the joystick, a place to put it all, and more titles to choose from later, I'dve picked it up.

Steel Battalion...great game...only two Gigantic flaws.

1. Too unforgiving...if you don't eject it erases your save...early on no sweat...around Mission 19...you get a little pissed considering how ungodly unfair the odds are and how quick you can just up and DIE.

2. Nothing past Mission 20.

No extras, no side mission...no super replay

For $200 it's basically the Battletech sim wiith a home controller instead of all the blinking lights.

Hopefully Capcoms SB2 will have more...not asking Online...but more because 20 missions and that's it...and no difference in replay...it's like really expensive ride.

[phongn]

I remember reading somewhere that the PS2 was made from Japanese military grade hardware. Can anyone confirm that?

Under earlier export restrictions of the United States, the PS2's main processor was considered a "supercomputer" (the guidelines have since been changed).

[Kuja]

*SNIFFSNIFFSNIFF*

I smell an opinion masquerading as an argument.

I have to agree. Most PS1 titles are forgettable, and the ones that aren't have already been topped. The likelihood of someone going back to play Spyro the Dragon with the same enthusiasm as if they were playing Actraiser or Super Double Dragon is slim and none.

I give you Resident Evil, the original. My cousin bought it when it first came out, and has played it OBSESSIVELY since then. He's beaten in over thirty times. He's also obsessed over the first two GTAs.

Back to subject, looking at my choices and I think I'll stick with the Dreamcast a little longer. X-box has about 5 games worth buying at all. PS2 offers me little more in terms of must-own games than Shinobi, VF4, GGXX, and Devil May Cry 2.

Must-have? What do you consider must-have? It's a PERSONAL OPINION. I consider all the Gundam games must-haves, but that's because I'm a Gundam fanatic. I hate the X-box because of its design. I have nothing against the games themselves, it's just that the controls suck to all hell. Nothing on the X-box controller has the fluid, intuitive feel of the N64 or the PS2. One of my cousins bought X-box and ditched it after a week in favor of PS2 because he hated the controller.

Notice I didn't list Grand Theft Auto. The only good thing about this game is the freedom, and it doesn't hold a candle to Shenmue. Besides, any game that glitches so bad you can be shot through a brick wall doesn't deserve points for realism.

1. What's Shenmue?

2. Glitches? My copy of GTA3 has NEVER glitched in the entire time I've owned it.

[Ghost Rider]

Shenmue is a DC...now X-Box Sega game.

Basically think really big city with storyline...basically a somewhat modern day Morrowind, except not really.

You can do a lot but when it's more fun to get minigame stuff instead of playing the game...that said way too much for me(and combat was at times between dreadful and fun)

Unfortunatly it was much more touted then it really is...cheesy dialogue, and poor fight engine does not make it excel heads and shoulders over GTA3(I have the DC Shenmue 1&2...yes, the Euro Shenmue 2)

[aphexmonster]

How many people are going to fire up Faxanadu again? Or a Boy and His Blob? Really this is NOT a fair comparison. Spyro is crap. It's just overhyped on the cartoon network. Besides, Super Double Dragon sucks, when compared to say, oh the original Double Dragon.

Hey! im playing a boy and his blob right now! ( along with blaster master )

Steel Battalion...great game...only two Gigantic flaws.

Hehe, you said Steel Battalion... what a waste of time...

[DPDarkPrimus]

Steel Battalion...great game...only two Gigantic flaws.

Hehe, you said Steel Battalion... what a waste of time...

Oh, have you played it? How can you say it is a waste of time if you haven't played it, considering that the reviews it got were pretty good.

[SAMAS]

[quote="aphexmonster]

Thats Bass dipshit, with the Treble adapter. If im not mistaken thats from Megaman and Bass.

And i think its Forte actually. They look kinda similar, but Bass has these things around his ears.
This is bass

and this is forte
[/quote]

Actually, they're the same person. Forte is the original Japanese name, while Bass is the American one.

Kind of like:

Rockman = Megaman
Blues = Protoman
Gospel = Treble

The second pic is of Bass after he merges with Treble.

[SAMAS]

Back on subject:

There are games I want to play on all three systems, but the PS2 simply had more games that I wanted, so I got that first.

So far, I have Xenosaga, Zone of the Enders: the 2nd Runner, and Ring of Red. I don't regret getting any of them.

[Dalton]

I'm picking up a PS2 with my tax refund. I simply don't want an Xbox; if I want to play one I'll mooch off my sister's friend.

[Gandalf]

I'd like to add my 2c.
I think the PS2 is far better, bigger range of games, cooler appearance, and a better controller.

[Death from the Sea]

I gotta go with the XBOX since I own one and love it. I like the controllers much better than the ps2 or GCN they actually fit my adult hands.
While the PS2 has a much larger library of games, the XBOX has enough good ones to keep me busy. And lets face it how often are you going to buy crappy games intentionally? hopefully never so the huge library of games doesn't mean much when most quality games are released on multiple consoles.(with the exception of console characters like mario or link etc...)