Anakin vs. Ranma

[Yogi]

Then again considering a lightsaber has to slowly "saw" through metal, and Ranma gets hit by sword blows that effortlessly slice through stone, one wonders what, if anything, a lightsaber will do to Ranma.

[consequences]

Let's see, Nabiki brings money into the house, no one else is ever seen to(with the very minor exception of Genma Saotome's part-time job working for Doctor Tofu). There is no mention of bank accounts, trust funds, stocks, or any other means of support. The fact that she rips off Akane and her father(never seen her taking money off Kasumi), might mean that she provides them with funds, and takes them away whenever they annoy her. Think of it as children having their allowance revoked, since Akane and Soun can by no stretch of the imagination be considered mature adults.
I made a canon decision in regards to this fight, given that there is no official policy I am aware of. I said cope, not whine about it, quit your bitching. If this attitude bothers you, tough.
Here's a fun argument(cheerfully swiped from the DBZ people), Ranma could easily be subconsciously generating an energy field with his chi around his body, similar to the ones created around weapons in the series, so unless you can overpower his energy reserves, you aren't going to hurt him.
Guns in Japan, a really bad idea unless you want to be a criminal. Also incredibly dishonorable from the point of view of any true martial artist.
People not dying, hmm, maybe its because 90% of the time people are gunning for Ranma and he's difficult to kill, and has no interest in killing in self defense?

[SAMAS]

Let's see, Nabiki brings money into the house, no one else is ever seen to(with the very minor exception of Genma Saotome's part-time job working for Doctor Tofu). There is no mention of bank accounts, trust funds, stocks, or any other means of support. The fact that she rips off Akane and her father(never seen her taking money off Kasumi), might mean that she provides them with funds, and takes them away whenever they annoy her. Think of it as children having their allowance revoked, since Akane and Soun can by no stretch of the imagination be considered mature adults.

The only real problem with that is that actually helping others is actually a little OOC for Nabiki. Speculate all you like, but canonically, it has simply never come up.

People not dying, hmm, maybe its because 90% of the time people are gunning for Ranma and he's difficult to kill, and has no interest in killing in self defense?

Not to mention the one time he clearly wanted to kill someone, and had the chance to actually follow through with it, that person was actually killed. The fact that he regenerated doesn't count.

[lgot]

Samas:

I am not sure, but attacking a Jedi with energy blasts is not supposed to be much useful ? They can deflect energy, right ?

The only real problem with that is that actually helping others is actually a little OOC for Nabiki. Speculate all you like, but canonically, it has simply never come up.

not only is not possible as it is ridiculous. Not only Nabiki is just 16 years old and still study as she likes money and is stupid to blackmail someone and then take the money back. Its much more plausible to believe tha Mrs. Tendo left some income when died.

Yogi:

No, Ranma DOES have the speed. He does the whole Anime "Guy charges with sword to swing and attack only to see opponent is somewhere else, in this case standing in front of his face." This is against Kuno in Book 1. Even then he has the "Get within your opponen't guard before other trained humans (namely Akane) can even blink." Anakin doesn't have a chance

That would make no sense to say that Ranma can move as fast he can punch using a special technique, that use is exactly to punch faster, therefore he do not move that fast, much less in his first meeting with Kunou. Ranma is fast, but there is a exageration of the his speed. Mint's speed is described as "superhuman" and he is much faster than Ranma.

Then again considering a lightsaber has to slowly "saw" through metal, and Ranma gets hit by sword blows that effortlessly slice through stone, one wonders what, if anything, a lightsaber will do to Ranma.

no sense. Kunou's wooden sword hurt Ranma. He is for sure not invulnerable to the Light Saber.

Consequence:

Guns in Japan, a really bad idea unless you want to be a criminal. Also incredibly dishonorable from the point of view of any true martial artist.

What you say is truth, but does not apply here.
These bunch do not care to do all the mass destruction they can, the series cares little for this. Plus "honor" was something not all of them had - and even Shampoo, with some sense of honor, would dope, cheat and lie to get what she wants.

People not dying, hmm, maybe its because 90% of the time people are gunning for Ranma and he's difficult to kill, and has no interest in killing in self defense?

People do not die because Rumiko wanted not. Look Inuyasha or Mermeid series. She used deaths and violence because the mood of the story was different. Ranma, is stated, a love-comedy. Tragedy of death is not placed there expect as incentive to the romance-comedy.
For exampe, Shampoo would kill. But for someone that sayied that a lot, she tryied some sneaky atittude over akane rather than killing.

[SylasGaunt]

That would make no sense to say that Ranma can move as fast he can punch using a special technique, that use is exactly to punch faster, therefore he do not move that fast, much less in his first meeting with Kunou. Ranma is fast, but there is a exageration of the his speed. Mint's speed is described as "superhuman" and he is much faster than Ranma.

This is Ranma at the end of the series and you're using the example of his first fight with Kuno? That's.. really dumb.

no sense. Kunou's wooden sword hurt Ranma. He is for sure not invulnerable to the Light Saber.

Kuno's wooden sword that effortlessly cleaves through concrete and can withstand swings fast enough to produce the air pressure neccesary to shatter a stone statue you mean? And let me guess you're still using Ranma at the start of the series to base your arguments on?

What you say is truth, but does not apply here.
These bunch do not care to do all the mass destruction they can, the series cares little for this. Plus "honor" was something not all of them had - and even Shampoo, with some sense of honor, would dope, cheat and lie to get what she wants.

People do not die because Rumiko wanted not. Look Inuyasha or Mermeid series. She used deaths and violence because the mood of the story was different. Ranma, is stated, a love-comedy. Tragedy of death is not placed there expect as incentive to the romance-comedy.

Funny because Akane almost died and Saffron was made quite dead.

For exampe, Shampoo would kill. But for someone that sayied that a lot, she tryied some sneaky atittude over akane rather than killing.

She tried to use Akane for blackmail material rather than just offing her and potentially upsetting her husband.. I'm not seeing much of a contradiction here.

[Lord of the Farce]

Then again considering a lightsaber has to slowly "saw" through metal, and Ranma gets hit by sword blows that effortlessly slice through stone, one wonders what, if anything, a lightsaber will do to Ranma.

That metal might just be durasteel. Do you think that sword that can effortlessly slice through stone can also slice through metal with neutronium contents?

[SAMAS]

Samas:

I am not sure, but attacking a Jedi with energy blasts is not supposed to be much useful ? They can deflect energy, right ?

Unfortunately, your average blaster bolt isn't much thicker than a marker.

Ranma's shots are rarely less than a foot and a half in diameter.

Yogi:

No, Ranma DOES have the speed. He does the whole Anime "Guy charges with sword to swing and attack only to see opponent is somewhere else, in this case standing in front of his face." This is against Kuno in Book 1. Even then he has the "Get within your opponen't guard before other trained humans (namely Akane) can even blink." Anakin doesn't have a chance

That would make no sense to say that Ranma can move as fast he can punch using a special technique, that use is exactly to punch faster, therefore he do not move that fast, much less in his first meeting with Kunou. Ranma is fast, but there is a exageration of the his speed. Mint's speed is described as "superhuman" and he is much faster than Ranma.

This is one of those times when the Manga contradicts the Anime.

Kachuu Tenshin Amaguriken is only a "special attack" in the anime. In the Manga, it's simply a method of speed training. Literally, to be fast enough to pull chestnuts out of a fire without burning yourself. Ranma has used that speed often in the manga, and has never called it out as an attack.

The best example is the appearances of the Dojo Destroyer and the Instant Nannichuan packets.

When Ranma attacked the Destroyer, there was a sudden burst of powder. Shampoo then told him that she put packets on top of all the Dojo Destroyer's vital areas, so Ranma would have to defeat him without hitting him in any weak spots.

Ranma cried because he had already hit all of his vital points in that one attack, destroying all the packets.

His general body movements have to be fast in order to punch a person at Supersonic speeds, like he does to Ryoga in the Bakusai Tenketsu story.

Consequence:

Guns in Japan, a really bad idea unless you want to be a criminal. Also incredibly dishonorable from the point of view of any true martial artist.

What you say is truth, but does not apply here.
These bunch do not care to do all the mass destruction they can, the series cares little for this. Plus "honor" was something not all of them had - and even Shampoo, with some sense of honor, would dope, cheat and lie to get what she wants.

Exactly which character would need a gun?

People not dying, hmm, maybe its because 90% of the time people are gunning for Ranma and he's difficult to kill, and has no interest in killing in self defense?

People do not die because Rumiko wanted not. Look Inuyasha or Mermeid series. She used deaths and violence because the mood of the story was different. Ranma, is stated, a love-comedy. Tragedy of death is not placed there expect as incentive to the romance-comedy.
For exampe, Shampoo would kill. But for someone that sayied that a lot, she tryied some sneaky atittude over akane rather than killing.

True, but as shown, killing Akane only gets you a Ranma who's all of a sudden more than willing to kill you. Shampoo may be a little simple minded, but she's not that stupid.

Characters on Ranma 1/2 have tried to kill each other several times. The problem is that the target is usually Ranma, so they never get the chance to pull it off. Don't equate lack of sucess with lack of ability.

[Lord of the Farce]

Samas:

I am not sure, but attacking a Jedi with energy blasts is not supposed to be much useful ? They can deflect energy, right ?

Unfortunately, your average blaster bolt isn't much thicker than a marker.

Ranma's shots are rarely less than a foot and a half in diameter.

Lightsabres are not the only way that allows Jedi to take energy blasts.

[Lord of the Farce]

Samas:

I am not sure, but attacking a Jedi with energy blasts is not supposed to be much useful ? They can deflect energy, right ?

Unfortunately, your average blaster bolt isn't much thicker than a marker.

Ranma's shots are rarely less than a foot and a half in diameter.

Lightsabres are not the only way that allows Jedi to take energy blasts.

(Fixed quoting error).

[Yogi]

That would make no sense to say that Ranma can move as fast he can punch using a special technique, that use is exactly to punch faster, therefore he do not move that fast, much less in his first meeting with Kunou. Ranma is fast, but there is a exageration of the his speed. Mint's speed is described as "superhuman" and he is much faster than Ranma.

http://www-scf.usc.edu/~chih/Ranma.Speed.jpg
http://www-scf.usc.edu/~chih/Ranma.Quick.jpg

no sense. Kunou's wooden sword hurt Ranma. He is for sure not invulnerable to the Light Saber.

Did I say invulnerable? No I did not (of course, little things like evidence has never stopped you before). However, you're making it out to be an instant kill if he gets hit, and I'm saying it may not be the case.

[consequences]

Igot, were you just not paying attention when I stated that less than two seasons later Ranma casually broke Kuno's bokken in mid swing with his bare forearm?

[lgot]

Sylas:

Do you have a problem ? I am not the one who used the first meeting with Kunou as example, it was used before. And Still used.

And of course she used Akane as blackmail. that is the option of the author to do not show anything close to death. The series is all this way, the Author wants that way and create sittuations in that way. Saying to me why didnt she wanted to kill, just shows, The Author, for he wanted to happens this way, did not wanted a show of death.

Samas:

This is one of those times when the Manga contradicts the Anime.

I know it, And the dojo destroyer example is pretty much another example of attack not movimentation. the students of Nerima can follow with the eyes ranma running, Akane can run after him, Mint still said to be "superhuman" speed and is fast to Ranma.
Ranma is fast, but I think it is a speed that a jedi can deal with.

Exactly which character would need a gun?

not my problem. They do not use firearms in the serie, anyone there do not use. It is not because "it is illegal" or "hard to get".

True, but as shown, killing Akane only gets you a Ranma who's all of a sudden more than willing to kill you. Shampoo may be a little simple minded, but she's not that stupid.

this is one of sittuations used only to show the strength of Ranma-Akane relationship.

Characters on Ranma 1/2 have tried to kill each other several times. The problem is that the target is usually Ranma, so they never get the chance to pull it off. Don't equate lack of sucess with lack of ability.

Please, show me where I said they lack ability to kill.
On contrary, I said they can kill and they do not. Even when they want to kill or do all that is necessary to kill. Rumiko Takashi do not wanted to have killing in her series that is all.

Yogi:

I have no idea why you posted the links. Showing that Ranma is faster than Kunou or that he can dodge Kunou does not make him able to dodge everyone.

Did I say invulnerable? No I did not (of course, little things like evidence has never stopped you before). However, you're making it out to be an instant kill if he gets hit, and I'm saying it may not be the case.

What ? From the people who used which evidence to show he would be very resistent to the light saber ??? Actually until the end of the manga Ranma can be defeated, even by Akane, all that was needed was a good hit with great strentgh. THE FEATHERS of the flying people of the cursed springs can hurt then, why not a Lightsaber ?

Consequence:

Igot, were you just not paying attention when I stated that less than two seasons later Ranma casually broke Kuno's bokken in mid swing with his bare forearm?

So ? Ranma can break Kunou's bokken ? That show what ?

[Yogi]

It was before Kuno could even BLINK. That's plenty fast for even a normal person, and Kuno is a pretty good swordsman himself, if he can slice up concrete, trees etc with his sword, as well as move it so fast that the air pressure alone can bruse Ranma. Do you realize how insanely fast you've got to be swinging around a blunt wooden sword for it to happen? Since when has Anakin fought at REMOTELY that speed?

[Darth_Shinji]

Sylas:


What ? From the people who used which evidence to show he would be very resistent to the light saber ??? Actually until the end of the manga Ranma can be defeated, even by Akane, all that was needed was a good hit with great strentgh. THE FEATHERS of the flying people of the cursed springs can hurt then, why not a Lightsaber ?

You relise that in the very begining of the anime Akane is able to throw a rock the size of herself into a river? Or break concrete with a punch? And the problem with feathers is that marital artists are able of enhancing stuff like CLOTH into tree and metal cutting weapons. So people using feathers as weapons and hurting Ranma is not surpising.... Its even happen before.

[Darth_Shinji]

Heck, Akane is augible the phyisical strongest female out of the regural cast, just not the fastest or the most skilled.

[SylasGaunt]

Sylas:

Do you have a problem ? I am not the one who used the first meeting with Kunou as example, it was used before. And Still used.

Yes you continue siting it as a definitive example of Ranma's durability, which it isn't.

And of course she used Akane as blackmail. that is the option of the author to do not show anything close to death. The series is all this way, the Author wants that way and create sittuations in that way. Saying to me why didnt she wanted to kill, just shows, The Author, for he wanted to happens this way, did not wanted a show of death.

There you go ignoring the reasons in the series in favor of citing author motivation (which is invalid to begin with). Shampoo chose to wipe Akane's memory and use her as a bargaining tool instead of killing her and potentially angering Ranma what about this is so hard for you to understand? Akane has little use as a barganing chip if she's dead you know.

not my problem. They do not use firearms in the serie, anyone there do not use. It is not because "it is illegal" or "hard to get".

They are illegal, they are hard to get, and nobody in the series is exactly well connected to get ahold of that sort of thing you know.

this is one of sittuations used only to show the strength of Ranma-Akane relationship.

And what do you know, as soon as Ranma tried to kill somebody he suceeds.

[Yogi]

Why are we arguing this? I just thought of a perfect way.

1) Hiryu Shoten Ha is an attack that creates a giant tornado which blows the enemy away.
2) In the manga, Ranma can use the attack more or less instantly, without having to walk the spiral any more.
3) It draws energy from the hot energy from his opponent.
4) A Lightsaber is pretty damn hot.

So, either two things happen
1) lgot argues that a Lightsaber is not that hot at all, in which Ranma is capable of absorbing a few hits, enough to do the 100 punch move to flatten Anakin.
2) lgot argues thata Lightsaber is VERY hot, in which the Hiryu Shoten Ha chews Anakin up and spits him back out.

There is nowhere left for you to run, lgot.

[consequences]

Point of order, it is clearly shown that Shampoo is stronger than Akane is normally during the Super-Soba arc.

[Darth_Shinji]

Point of order, it is clearly shown that Shampoo is stronger than Akane is normally during the Super-Soba arc.

I'll conceed that because I have not seen/read that arch. Neverless using Akane's punch as Ranma being weak is not valid.

[consequences]

Shampoo flat out kicks her ass arm-wrestling.

[Darth_Shinji]

okay. The fact remains as far as Igot is concerned Akane can break concrete with a punch and send people into orbit.

[consequences]

And Ranma easily kicked her ass in arm-wrestling too. Same story arc.

[Darth_Shinji]

And Ranma easily kicked her ass in arm-wrestling too. Same story arc.

Okay, As said this doesn't take away from Ranma's resistance any because while Shampoo and Ranma is stonger (No brainer on the Ranma part) she is still superhuman.

[lgot]

Darth_Sinji:

Akane is able of all that and yet she is the worst fighter of all the main cast, probally only being up with Kodachi. And saying that only shows my point: Ranma can be defeated when he is hit by a good attack.

So people using feathers as weapons and hurting Ranma is not surpising.... Its even happen before.

good you remember, I said that to make people remember that ranma can be hurt by that, so he can be hurt by a light saber.

Neverless using Akane's punch as Ranma being weak is not valid.

I never said her punch was weak!

SylasGaunt:

Yes you continue siting it as a definitive example of Ranma's durability, which it isn't.

You seem to do not read the debate. Yogi is using, so we are arguing about that. I talked about the feathers also and you ignore it. And you accused me of using that as not fair, but forgot to notice others doing that. Hah...

There you go ignoring the reasons in the series in favor of citing author motivation (which is invalid to begin with).

Invalid ???? Those are Rumiko motivations. And Shampoo had no reason to do anything with Akane. She could kill akane then had Ranma free. that is all.

They are illegal, they are hard to get, and nobody in the series is exactly well connected to get ahold of that sort of thing you know.

Rumiko do not wanted those weapons in her series. The characters do other illegal stuff, there is no such thing as hard to get to them and Rumiko could easily have weapons close to Kunou, Kodachi or the principal, without any problem if she wanted .

Yogi:

There is nowhere left for you to run, lgot.

Wouldn´t his oponent , with hot chi to get, be Anakin, not the saber ?

[Yogi]

Wouldn´t his oponent , with hot chi to get, be Anakin, not the saber ?

All the attack requires is hot and cold energy. Besides, its an area of effect attack, so even if its centered on the Lightsaber, Anakin is still holding the thing.