Does Trek has *any* advantage over Wars?

[KhyronTheBackstabber]

7) Ie, when you lose... Give up?

If that's not the pot calling the kettle black, I don't know what is.

[Dalton]

3) No r2! Haced things, like the WAYLAND comps... You know GA Thrawns most inportant base, in how long? 10 seconds?

He opened the ventilation grate and later downloaded a basic map.

[Kuja]

And for 88's...
1), Hence stupid, 2) Hence stupid, of the rules or the empire do thins like that... And you are to scared to point it out, that proves my point.

You are talking about the actions of INDIVIDUALS, not thw Empire as a whole, you fucking moron.

3) No r2! Haced things, like the WAYLAND comps... You know GA Thrawns most inportant base, in how long? 10 seconds?

So what? Again, you're taking the abilities of ONE individual (in this case, a droid) and extrapolating it to mean that the Empire's security is lame. Bad comparison.

4) I know ST bridges are stupid... That isn't what my post is about...

And it wasn't my point either, dope.

5) But if instad of makeing a deal they attacked the ssi-ruuk

Ummmm...WRONG! The Ssi-ruuk fleet was left desperately short of power because the Empire backed out of the deal. They had NO CHOICE but to attack Bakura.

6) MOn_CAl is a infuential core world...

WRONG. It's in the Outer Rim (ref: Essential Guide to Planets).

7) Ie, when you lose... Give up?

Name the exact point the Empire lost the war.

But not as big as the imprail navy.. Just assult there ship yards like mon cal...

Not as big, but it would still cost the Empire a large amount of resources to invade a well-defended world like Mon Calamari.

9) But prevoius captains, get promted to admirals... and have to promet Pelleaon...and have more exprience...

Wrong again. Militaries in wartime are meritocracies, not seniority-dominated. Get it?

10) Contracts? this is war... You know you ditch the contract and steal he better fighter?

Good god, are you a dumbass? Ditching contracts means that you'll no longer have suppliers for weapons and materials, because no company will sign with a two-faced backstabber.

[Kuja]

Wild Karrde...
It didn't need to regain control...
It need not to fly all the way over the the death star and ram it...
remeber the fleet was round endor move, and the waited in MG-7.
So how the the exutor got over and crahed before someone could you know...

*sigh*

Admiral

They needed to REGAIN CONTROL of the ships systems. Not something you can accomplish in TEN FUCKING SECONDS.

[Wild Karrde]

Wild Karrde...
It didn't need to regain control...
It need not to fly all the way over the the death star and ram it...
remeber the fleet was round endor move, and the waited in MG-7.
So how the the exutor got over and crahed before someone could you know...

*sigh*

Admiral

WTF do you mean it didn't need to gain control?!?:shock:

1.After the rebels engaged the Imp fleet at point-blank range the fighting slowly drifted close to the DS.

2. To buy the reb ships in the DS more time the reb fleet conentrates firepower on the Executor.

3. Executor's bridge sheilds fail.

4.A-wing gets lucky and hits bridge.

5. Due to damage from the A-wing and reb capships the Executor loses control and does a powered dive into the DS.

[Kuja]

WTF do you mean it didn't need to gain control?!?:shock:

Admiral Jackass seems to think that the Rebs had control of the Executor.

[His Divine Shadow]

So, is there a single thing in Star Trek that better than Star Wars? How about medical tech? Consumer goods? Uniform look? Anything?

Oh sure it has, I mean it's got that incredible... err... No, but remember the time when they.... ok.... But what about their sophisticated... durrr...
Hmmm, I *flutters*.. they... gotta..

I'm lost....

[Wild Karrde]

WTF do you mean it didn't need to gain control?!?:shock:

Admiral Jackass seems to think that the Rebs had control of the Executor.

Or that it's normal procedure to ram the Imperial flagship into a moon-sized super weapon.

[Kuja]

WTF do you mean it didn't need to gain control?!?:shock:

Admiral Jackass seems to think that the Rebs had control of the Executor.

Or that it's normal procedure to ram the Imperial flagship into a moon-sized super weapon.

Hmmmmm...

*flips through the Imperial Battle Procedures Manual*

Battle Procedure 314AS-12, Article 87B, Paragraph 2:

"If control of the main bridge is lost, the ship will automatically proceed to ram the largest ship on sensors, be it ally or enemy. It is advised that control of the main bridge not be lost in order to prevent accidental friendly losses."

Well, I'll be!

[Wild Karrde]

Hmmmmm...

*flips through the Imperial Battle Procedures Manual*

Battle Procedure 314AS-12, Article 87B, Paragraph 2:

"If control of the main bridge is lost, the ship will automatically proceed to ram the largest ship on sensors, be it ally or enemy. It is advised that control of the main bridge not be lost in order to prevent accidental friendly losses."

Well, I'll be! [/quote]



That must be the same manual that requires all ships, friend or foe to meet 'right-side up' in all engagements too.

[KhyronTheBackstabber]

You should see the Stormtrooper manuel.

[The Admiral]

I seem to remeber in the one other case where the bridge feel, on admiral trigits flahsgip, see wraith squardren...
It took them about *srugs* 10 fucking scends mabey. You would think the flagship of the entire inprial navy would have quicker responces...
As for the actions of the empire as a whole...
This is the emporer and Grand moff tarkin here, they MADE the empire, or at least te emporer did, and Tarkin was one of its most powerful figures.
You get in power by have more sence than the person who was in power last, so if thats the hight of inprial intellegence - Thrawn. Case in point.

Was there anything else?
Admiral Jackass.

[Spanky The Dolphin]

Stop talking.

[The Admiral]

That must be the best arugement I've heard ever...
And its so on topic!

Admiral

[Lord of the Farce]

I seem to remeber in the one other case where the bridge feel, on admiral trigits flahsgip, see wraith squardren...
It took them about *srugs* 10 fucking scends mabey. You would think the flagship of the entire inprial navy would have quicker responces...

For the average person, to read the above paragraph word by word, would take about ten seconds. Assuming that you had to run 25 meters to the secondary bridge (assuming it takes you about 5 seconds to confirm that the main bridge is down), you'll make it to there just in time to say "oh, shit..." (nevermind arresting the >17km ship's forward momentum).

As for the actions of the empire as a whole...
This is the emporer and Grand moff tarkin here, they MADE the empire, or at least te emporer did, and Tarkin was one of its most powerful figures.
You get in power by have more sence than the person who was in power last, so if thats the hight of inprial intellegence - Thrawn. Case in point.

Strangely, I find that the more I try to understand what the hell you're on about, the less sence (sic) you seem to make.

[The Admiral]

But you don't need to do any of that, the are crew allready on the secondary bridge. It would be hard to miss the bridge going down, and you don't need to stop its foward momentum. Unless when the bridge is blows up the ships computer system decides to ram the death star. You would think it would be parked in space, as opposed to allready ramming them. When bridge stoped responding, sseondary bridge becomes primary, and thats it. As opposed the bridge goes down, Ship suddly goes at full power into death star II...
See?

Admiral

[Wild Karrde]

But you don't need to do any of that, the are crew allready on the secondary bridge. It would be hard to miss the bridge going down, and you don't need to stop its foward momentum. Unless when the bridge is blows up the ships computer system decides to ram the death star. You would think it would be parked in space, as opposed to allready ramming them. When bridge stoped responding, sseondary bridge becomes primary, and thats it. As opposed the bridge goes down, Ship suddly goes at full power into death star II...
See?

Admiral

What the fuck don't you understand that the Executor only had mere seconds to react?

Even if the secondary bridge took less than a split second to react after the destruction of the primary bridge it would take those few seconds just to find out what the fuck just happened and by then it would already be too late.

Again WTF do you mean it wasn't nessary to stop it's foward momentum?!? It was headed right for the DS!

I don't get how you could say that an accidental engine misfire is stupid. It just had it's main bridge taken out and possibly suffering internal damage from the reb fleet bombardment.

To put it simply if the Executor was in any other place when it happened it would have recovered. It was merely bad luck that the fighting had drifted so close to the DS.

[Ted C]

First of all, the Star Wars Essential Guides have the copyright from Lucasfilm. Now, I assume that's what we go by, or do we simply go by whatever makes Star Wars look good and whatever makes Star Trek look bad?

When dealing with official sources, we go with the one that most accurately reflects what we see in the canon films.

Star Trek doesn’t even stoop to using fighters, we’re already coming to a close to manned fightercraft today! Dammit, a guy interviewed on CNN said that! And as a matter of fact, I have heard of the F-22, and the rest of the fighters. THEY ARE THE LAST.

No, it's not. Fighters will be with us for a long time yet. You obviously have no clue what you're talking about.

Ever heard of Predator?

Yes. It's an unmanned spyplane that has been successfully used as a missile platform at least once. It has all of the disadvantages of a remote-controlled aircraft, though (reduced information available to the pilot, longer response time, interference from jamming, etc.). It is not a replacement for manned fighters.

Yeah… gee… let’s wonder why the manned fightercraft program is ending… technology improves, and it isn’t safe to put a guy in a skimpy fighter today! The only reason we haven’t lost more guys flying in Iraq is because… they don’t have half the force we do!

Because their weapon technology sucks compared to ours. Nonetheless, if we found ourselves at war against North Korea or China, we'd still be sending manned fighters into battle.

Anyhow, Star Trek ships use duranium and tritanium! Duranium = Extremely hard to cut, Star Trek Encyclopedia; Titanium = Used in A-10’s TODAY!

"Extremely hard to cut"? Mild steel is "extremely hard to cut". Your claim is worthless.

Titanium is used in most aircraft today because it has a high strength-to-mass ratio. What does it have to do with the fictional metal "tritanium"?

Your damn laser cannons… oh, they’re not lasers, they only have the word laser in them… well, they are… partly. It’s a beam of light and charged particles *slap* gee, that sounds like it could deck a Constitution class in three hits… especially considering that we matched that exact technology in the 1960’s as an orbital missile defense… Source: The Essential Guide to Weapons and Technology and the National Air and Space Museum

No I know you're an idiot. No one on this planet has ever had functioning orbital missile defense system. The idea was proposed as early as the 60's, and the Reagan administration spend millions trying to get it to work in the 80's, but there has never been a successful implementation.

Trek Photon Torpedoes can easily wipe their viewscreens clean of any Star Wars bug nearby. They use matter and antimatter to kill, with an effective explosive yield of 200 isotons.

Ah, the meaningless "isoton" unit. Well, it does have a meaning really. It means "one ton", but we're usually generous enough to ignore that one.

Then there’s the Quantum Torpedo, utilizing the most powerful energy the universe has to offer: Quintessence, Zero-Point Energy (ZPE) or Vacuum Energy, call it what you want! It’s called ZPE because there is another energy out there keeping it at bay… and keeping us alive… if it weren’t out there the universe would expand so fast the electrostatic and nuclear bonds of all matter and energy would cease to exist! It is on the magnitude of 120 orders more powerful than ALL the matter and energy in the universe! It is at a constant density, and can never be used up as the universe expands, doesn’t mean this energy does! There is enough energy in at most 1 coffee cup full of it that IT CAN BOIL THE EARTH’S OCEANS AWAY. Oh, yes, I forgot to add: The range on these mothers is 3.5 million kilometers. As opposed to 300-700 meters. Source: Star Trek Encyclopedia (photon torp) and physicsweb.org (quantum torp)

You are so delusional. You're relying on edgy science with no experimental support. Furthermore, we've seen Quantum Torpedoes detonate, and they don't release that much energy.

In simpler terms, idiots, the only thing Star Wars is good for is running away!

The only thing spaceluigi is good for is spouting nonsense.

PS: I'd like to add, that why don't you frickin' assholes try proving your point?

The "Warsies" here have proved their points many times over. I've yet to see you prove one.

[Slartibartfast]

Which takes time, unlike ST ships...
It seems a bit funny though, when people are "On no an interdictor"
Instead of "Turn the navicomp safty of and lets go"
???

Admiral

I see... then, in Earth terms, Jet planes have a big disadvantage over cars: you have to set a series of instruments so you can take off without crashing and being able to get wherever the heck you're going. Since you can't stop for directions, it's worse than traveling by car.

And sending the Space Shuttle into orbit (or even worse a ship to the moon) is even more disadvantageous, because a car doesn't need oxygen and stuff and computing an exit trajectory so you don't die, or the ship doesn't explode. Too bad a car can't get you across the ocean or to other planets.

[Slartibartfast]

7)They don't know when to quit.

Vader: We have already conquered 1/2 of the Galaxy! Shall we proceed to conquer the rest?
Emperor: No, I have a better idea. Let's quit!
Vader: Sounds good to me.

[Slartibartfast]

6)and where did those MON-CAL starcrusers come from?

They came from Return of the Jedi. Which is several years after. Maybe even right after Yavin. Either way, NOT before the destruction of the DS1. Can you try and use your brain instead of talking out of your butt?

[Slartibartfast]

Trek Photon Torpedoes can easily wipe their viewscreens clean of any Star Wars bug nearby. They use matter and antimatter to kill, with an effective explosive yield of 200 isotons.

1 isoton = 0.001 kilotons!

[Darth Wong]

But you don't need to do any of that, the are crew allready on the secondary bridge. It would be hard to miss the bridge going down, and you don't need to stop its foward momentum.

Why would the designers expect that they'd have to be able to switch control in less than 10 seconds? They probably have a checklist that they run through, like any military operation. This is like asking why a fighter pilot must do a walkaround of his plane before getting in and taking off. Are you saying that there should be a big red button you just push? Over-automation often leads to a loss of robustness, and the whole point of a secondary bridge is that you take over in the event of damage, so you can't assume everything is working perfectly. Think about it.

[Slartibartfast]

Do we VI the Admiral Asshat yet? He makes little sense and writes so incoherently that its really really painful to read his arguments.

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

First of all, the Star Wars Essential Guides have the copyright from Lucasfilm. Now, I assume that's what we go by, or do we simply go by whatever makes Star Wars look good and whatever makes Star Trek look bad?

Moving on.

Alright, you wanna know what Star Trek has? Here. READ.

You say your fighters have hulls that can stand multi-kiloton blasts? BULLSHIT! X-Wings hull’s are made of Titanium! Source: The Essential Guide to Vehicles an Vessels!

Provide an exact qupte X-Wing's are only made up of titanium hatfucker.

Star Trek doesn’t even stoop to using fighters,

WRONG! They use fighters in DS9.

we’re already coming to a close to manned fightercraft today! Dammit, a guy interviewed on CNN said that! And as a matter of fact, I have heard of the F-22, and the rest of the fighters. THEY ARE THE LAST.

Because CNN is the most trusted name in news! Ever heard of the F-35?

Ever heard of Predator? Yeah… gee… let’s wonder why the manned fightercraft program is ending… technology improves, and it isn’t safe to put a guy in a skimpy fighter today! The only reason we haven’t lost more guys flying in Iraq is because… they don’t have half the force we do!

The Predator is no a Air to Air combat vehicle.

Anyhow, Star Trek ships use duranium and tritanium! Duranium = Extremely hard to cut, Star Trek Encyclopedia;

1. Useless names.
2. Hard to cut? Hard to cut with WHAT?
3. Should I assume duranium is another name for DU which is used in tanks TODAY as you like to say?

Titanium = Used in A-10’s TODAY!

And??

Your damn laser cannons… oh, they’re not lasers, they only have the word laser in them… well, they are… partly. It’s a beam of light and charged particles *slap* gee, that sounds like it could deck a Constitution class in three hits… especially considering that we matched that exact technology in the 1960’s as an orbital missile defense… Source: The Essential Guide to Weapons and Technology and the National Air and Space Museum

So names>onscreen evidence? BULL FUCKING SHIT!
[quote[
Your damn “Proton Torpedoes” and “Concussion Missiles” are powerful, but there’s one teeny tiny problem… they still use explosive warheads. Powerful chemical explosive warheads, but chemical warheads nonetheless. They can take out ground installations at best. They’re the equivalent of bunker busters today. Furthermore, they can travel a whole 300-700… METERS! [/quote]

Prove they use chemical warheads asshole. Also, if they can only travel 700 meters, HOW THE FUCK DID ONE TRAVEL 80 KM INTO THE DEATH STAR?!

This bullshit about an X-Wing possessing enough firepower to confidently duke it out with a Federation fleet? It’s exactly that…bullshit. Source: The Essential Guide to Weapons and Technology…

The Essential Guides talk about an X-Wing vs. the UFP? Sure.......

Trek Photon Torpedoes can easily wipe their viewscreens clean of any Star Wars bug nearby. They use matter and antimatter to kill, with an effective explosive yield of 200 isotons.

Which in RL is... 200 tons!

Then there’s the Quantum Torpedo, utilizing the most powerful energy the universe has to offer: Quintessence, Zero-Point Energy (ZPE) or Vacuum Energy, call it what you want! It’s called ZPE because there is another energy out there keeping it at bay… and keeping us alive… if it weren’t out there the universe would expand so fast the electrostatic and nuclear bonds of all matter and energy would cease to exist! It is on the magnitude of 120 orders more powerful than ALL the matter and energy in the universe! It is at a constant density, and can never be used up as the universe expands, doesn’t mean this energy does! There is enough energy in at most 1 coffee cup full of it that IT CAN BOIL THE EARTH’S OCEANS AWAY. Oh, yes, I forgot to add: The range on these mothers is 3.5 million kilometers. As opposed to 300-700 meters. Source: Star Trek Encyclopedia (photon torp) and physicsweb.org (quantum torp)

1. UNCANON ST books.
2. Not demonstrated in ST. It takes multiple QT to take out Jem'Hadar ships.
3. physicsweb has nothing on quantum torpedoes.

In simpler terms, idiots, the only thing Star Wars is good for is running away!

PS: I'd like to add, that why don't you frickin' assholes try proving your point?

I know! We make large amount of claims and if we even attempt to back them up we make vague claims about entire books and sites.


Oh wait, who does that sound like? Here's a hint: _____luigi.