We got him.

The Duchess of Zeon · Post by **The Duchess of Zeon** » 2003-04-15 10:31pm

Abul Abbas captured.

Post by **Dalton** » 2003-04-15 10:36pm

I wonder what other sunken turds will float to the top of the Baghdad Toilet.

Alex Moon · Post by **Alex Moon** » 2003-04-15 11:11pm

The Duchess of Zeon · Post by **The Duchess of Zeon** » 2003-04-15 11:15pm

Let's raise one for the Gipper, who said terrs can run but they can't hide. He was right - Abul Abbas ran, but he couldn't hide forever. We'll bring 'em in, one by one, no matter how long it takes.

Montcalm · Post by **Montcalm** » 2003-04-15 11:18pm

Its surprising he did not leave Iraq before the Americans started bombing,did he thought they would not see him

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-04-15 11:38pm

Well, he could've run if Syria hadn't turned him away at the border.

Wicked Pilot · Post by **Wicked Pilot** » 2003-04-15 11:40pm

Hopefully the mother of all turds will float to the surface soon.

Phil Skayhan · Post by **Phil Skayhan** » 2003-04-16 01:49am

Vympel wrote:Well, he could've run if Syria hadn't turned him away at the border.

What's your source on that?

I remember the Achille Lauro was denied docking by Syria during the hijacking. Are you mixing the two events up?

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-04-16 01:54am

Phil Skayhan wrote: What's your source on that?

I remember the Achille Lauro was denied docking by Syria during the hijacking. Are you mixing the two events up?

I saw it on the news (BBC, IIRC). He tried to escape to Syria, but they wouldn't have him.

Glocksman · Post by **Glocksman** » 2003-04-16 02:00am

Abbas would have been rotting in prison since 1986 if it wasn't for the cowardice of the Italian government in letting him go after the US Navy forced his jet down to a NATO airbase.

Some fucking ally.

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-04-16 07:57am

Abul Abbas was recently captured by American Special Forces at a training camp south of Baghdad.

"According to Newsday , a local New York newspaper, "Abul Abbas was siezed by U.S. Special Forces during a raid after nightfall Monday at what appeared to be a training camp for the Palestine Liberation Front southwest of Baghdad. A number of Abbas' associates, as well as documents and weapons, were also seized, officials said on condition of anyonimity.

[...] Abbas - he was also known as Muhammed Abbas - led a faction of the Palestine Liberation Front, which itself was a splinter group of the Palestine Liberation Organization then led by Yasser Arafat. [...]"

Saddam not connected to the training of Palestinian militants my ass.

Tee-hee. A 62-year old has been who hasn't been in the terror game for 20 years (Israel isn't even interested in him, declaring him immune from prosecution) is living in Baghdad (four years ago, while he was living in Gaza, he was giving interviews to mainstream media) must mean that Saddam is connected to the training of Palestinian militants

go here

and

and here

Funny, nothing about a terrorist training camp there, indeed:

"U.S. Central Command, which is overseeing the war in Iraq, said in a statement that Abbas was picked up in a raid in southern Baghdad on Monday evening."

Funny, CENTCOM says one thing, but 'anonymous' sources say another. Right. And the stories would be different ... why?

and furthermore:

Mr. Abbas faces a life sentence in Italy, and American prosecutors have left open the possibility that a federal indictment for piracy, hostage taking and conspiracy could be revived. It was dropped in the 1990's, partly because of a statute of limitations and partly because Justice Department officials were not sure that their evidence would stand up in an American court.

Until CENTCOM says something like Abbas was training terrorists, you haven't a leg to stand on.

The Reuters article also says this:

It [Centcom] said his capture "removes a portion of the terror network supported by Iraq and represents yet another victory in the global war on terrorism," although Abbas has long renounced violence and Israel has allowed him to travel to Gaza.

Don't get me wrong, he should still be tried for his role in the hijacking (he planned it, but wasn't there), but your claims are laughable at this point.

Col. Crackpot · Post by **Col. Crackpot** » 2003-04-16 08:05am

Vympel wrote:
Abul Abbas was recently captured by American Special Forces at a training camp south of Baghdad.

"According to Newsday , a local New York newspaper, "Abul Abbas was siezed by U.S. Special Forces during a raid after nightfall Monday at what appeared to be a training camp for the Palestine Liberation Front southwest of Baghdad. A number of Abbas' associates, as well as documents and weapons, were also seized, officials said on condition of anyonimity.

[...] Abbas - he was also known as Muhammed Abbas - led a faction of the Palestine Liberation Front, which itself was a splinter group of the Palestine Liberation Organization then led by Yasser Arafat. [...]"

Saddam not connected to the training of Palestinian militants my ass.
Tee-hee. A 62-year old has been who hasn't been in the terror game for 20 years (Israel isn't even interested in him, declaring him immune from prosecution) is living in Baghdad (four years ago, while he was living in Gaza, he was giving interviews to mainstream media) must mean that Saddam is connected to the training of Palestinian militants

go here

and

and here

Funny, nothing about a terrorist training camp there, indeed:

"U.S. Central Command, which is overseeing the war in Iraq, said in a statement that Abbas was picked up in a raid in southern Baghdad on Monday evening."

Funny, CENTCOM says one thing, but 'anonymous' sources say another. Right. And the stories would be different ... why?

and furthermore:

Mr. Abbas faces a life sentence in Italy, and American prosecutors have left open the possibility that a federal indictment for piracy, hostage taking and conspiracy could be revived. It was dropped in the 1990's, partly because of a statute of limitations and partly because Justice Department officials were not sure that their evidence would stand up in an American court.
Until CENTCOM says something like Abbas was training terrorists, you haven't a leg to stand on.

The Reuters article also says this:

It [Centcom] said his capture "removes a portion of the terror network supported by Iraq and represents yet another victory in the global war on terrorism," although Abbas has long renounced violence and Israel has allowed him to travel to Gaza.
Don't get me wrong, he should still be tried for his role in the hijacking (he planned it, but wasn't there), but your claims are laughable at this point.

not only that Vymp, but now the Palestinian government is claiming that holding him in custody is a violation of the 1993 Oslo Accords. Accorting to the Palestinians the Accords prohibit trial or incarceration of PA members for 'terrorist' acts committed prior to 1990.

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-04-16 08:19am

Col. Crackpot wrote:
not only that Vymp, but now the Palestinian government is claiming that holding him in custody is a violation of the 1993 Oslo Accords. Accorting to the Palestinians the Accords prohibit trial or incarceration of PA members for 'terrorist' acts committed prior to 1990.

Interesting piece of trivia. Thanks. Didn't know that...

Axis Kast · Post by **Axis Kast** » 2003-04-16 09:03am

"Haven't a leg to stand on?"

Newsday is a reputable source. When they report that somebody happened to be captured in the vicinity of a terrorist training camp, I'll believe them.

And what does all that claptrap about immunity from prosecution in Israel have to do with the training camp issue?

On a sidenote, Idi Amin is also reported to be somewhere in Iraq ...

Axis Kast · Post by **Axis Kast** » 2003-04-16 09:06am

MSNBC is reporting that while Abbu was captured in a private residence, concurrent raids were undertaken on a Palestinian Liberation Front safe-house in Baghdad. Hm. What are they doing in Iraq ... ?

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-04-16 10:09am

Axis Kast wrote:MSNBC is reporting that while Abbu was captured in a private residence, concurrent raids were undertaken on a Palestinian Liberation Front safe-house in Baghdad. Hm. What are they doing in Iraq ... ?

Saddam has been providing support to Palestinian terrorists for a long time now. A safe house for them isn't suprising.

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2003-04-16 10:25am

Vympel wrote: Tee-hee. A 62-year old has been who hasn't been in the terror game for 20 years (Israel isn't even interested in him, declaring him immune from prosecution) is living in Baghdad (four years ago, while he was living in Gaza, he was giving interviews to mainstream media) must mean that Saddam is connected to the training of Palestinian militants

Hey fucknut, he was in charge of the operation that KILLED a US Citizen
and had his body dumped overboard. There is no statute on murder,
and we would have had him if our "allies" in italy hadn't let him go free
then...

Axis Kast · Post by **Axis Kast** » 2003-04-16 10:55am

Saddam has been providing support to Palestinian terrorists for a long time now. A safe house for them isn't suprising.

Some on this board have put that equation in doubt.

And if Saddam provides support for Palestinian terrorism, there's a great risk that he might be providing indirect support to al-Qaeda. Thus another strike against his activities.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-04-16 12:17pm

Axis Kast wrote:
Saddam has been providing support to Palestinian terrorists for a long time now. A safe house for them isn't suprising.
Some on this board have put that equation in doubt.

How? He publicly sends money to the families of Palestinian suicide bombers. He brags about it. Who has denied this?

And if Saddam provides support for Palestinian terrorism, there's a great risk that he might be providing indirect support to al-Qaeda. Thus another strike against his activities.

Al-Quaeda is related to Palestine only by ethnicity and religion (and Palestine provides a useful propaganda tool against the US). Bin-Laden's real beef is Americans on the "Holy Land".

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-04-16 12:28pm

Darth Wong wrote: How? He publicly sends money to the families of Palestinian suicide bombers. He brags about it. Who has denied this?

That would be me. Saudi Arabia also does this (they held a telethon for the purpose apparently, maybe Jordan/Kuwait too, I don't know about that one). Sending money to the families of people after they're dead doesn't equate to supporting Palestinian terrorists, in my eyes- in many cases, the families would've lost their only bread-winner. It's damn good PR in the Arab World though. Iraq gave $10,000 to each family of those killed in fighting as well, the same amount given to suicide bombers. Fighters with serious injuries got $1,000, and fighters with light injuries got $500. Disgustingly cynical? Oh yeah.

Of course, if the US were to define Saudi Arabia's telethon as support for terror, and chide them accordingly, then I might reconsider my position on Saddam's crafty charity work

Col. Crackpot · Post by **Col. Crackpot** » 2003-04-16 01:02pm

Darth Wong wrote:Bin-Laden's real beef is Americans on the "Holy Land".

Mike i will bet you dollars to donuts that even after we pull out of Saudi Arabia (which is no longer a matter of if, but when) and long after the Israel/Palestine conflict is solved the radicals of Al Qaeda and Islamic Jiihad and Hamas et al will set their sights on a new objective, cleansing the world of the non-muslim infadel filth. Secularists and Atheists are awfully high on his list no doubt.

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-04-16 01:13pm

Col. Crackpot wrote:
Mike i will bet you dollars to donuts that even after we pull out of Saudi Arabia (which is no longer a matter of if, but when) and long after the Israel/Palestine conflict is solved the radicals of Al Qaeda and Islamic Jiihad and Hamas et al will set their sights on a new objective, cleansing the world of the non-muslim infadel filth. Secularists and Atheists are awfully high on his list no doubt.

You're probably right. The US troops on Iraqi soil might be good for his purposes- but that still doesn't change the fact that before Desert Storm, Bin Laden was the US' boy in Afghanistan- the infidels on the Holy Land were what set him off. Now it's too late. Ah well. Hopefully a JDAM lands on him one day.

Post by **Beowulf** » 2003-04-16 02:06pm

Vympel wrote:Of course, if the US were to define Saudi Arabia's telethon as support for terror, and chide them accordingly, then I might reconsider my position on Saddam's crafty charity work

I wouldn't be extremely surprised if this happened after the new Iraqi government is firmly in place...

Post by **Beowulf** » 2003-04-16 02:06pm

Beowulf wrote:
Vympel wrote:Of course, if the US were to define Saudi Arabia's telethon as support for terror, and chide them accordingly, then I might reconsider my position on Saddam's crafty charity work
I wouldn't be extremely surprised if this happened after the new Iraqi government is firmly in place...

Of course this means even more protests about "No blood for oil!"

Next of Kin · Post by **Next of Kin** » 2003-04-16 04:19pm

Axis Kast wrote: On a sidenote, Idi Amin is also reported to be somewhere in Iraq ...

Source for this rumour?