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MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2003-04-19 11:09am

off until 5 PM tonight to do "community" service for some old lady
blah blah blah, houses for humanity, blah blah, get sentence reduced,
blah blah, get closer to goal of expungement of felony conviction,
blah blah, see you all

Montcalm · Post by **Montcalm** » 2003-04-19 11:11am

"You fought the law and the law won"

Tsyroc · Post by **Tsyroc** » 2003-04-19 12:04pm

MKSheppard wrote:off until 5 PM tonight to do "community" service for some old lady
blah blah blah, houses for humanity, blah blah, get sentence reduced,
blah blah, get closer to goal of expungement of felony conviction,
blah blah, see you all

"expungement of felony conviction" ????

Does this mean that if you complete your sentence your conviction drops down to a misdemenor?

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-04-19 12:08pm

I guess his sentence included a lot of community service.

Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi · Post by **Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi** » 2003-04-19 01:16pm

What crime did you commit that made you have to do community service? Hopefully, you don't have to help the elderly at an assisted living place as part of your service. All the old people smell and helping them bathe, you know.

Tsyroc · Post by **Tsyroc** » 2003-04-19 01:22pm

Darth Wong wrote:I guess his sentence included a lot of community service.

It's just the term "expungement" that throws me. The way he uses it in his statement makes it sound like the crime he was convicted of will no longer be considered a felony once he has completed his sentence, which included community service. I suppose I could be looking at it wrong. Perhaps he got a lesser sentence already but if he doesn't complete that sentence his conviction could be bumped back up to a felony. That kind of makes sense. By completing this sentence the other is no longer a possibility and therefore "expunged".

The Duchess of Zeon · Post by **The Duchess of Zeon** » 2003-04-19 01:41pm

Tsyroc wrote:
It's just the term "expungement" that throws me. The way he uses it in his statement makes it sound like the crime he was convicted of will no longer be considered a felony once he has completed his sentence, which included community service. I suppose I could be looking at it wrong. Perhaps he got a lesser sentence already but if he doesn't complete that sentence his conviction could be bumped back up to a felony. That kind of makes sense. By completing this sentence the other is no longer a possibility and therefore "expunged".

I believe what he means is that he has to complete the mandated community service to be considered for having his civil rights restored. Actually, is that correct, Mark?

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-04-19 01:46pm

Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi wrote:What crime did you commit that made you have to do community service? Hopefully, you don't have to help the elderly at an assisted living place as part of your service. All the old people smell and helping them bathe, you know.

You don't know? He fired a gun at his father over an argument, as his father was driving away. At least to his credit, he didn't try to trot out some bullshit story about being abused and fearing for his life; he turned himself in and I believe he argued only that he was not shooting to kill. But it was certainly a very serious crime.

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2003-04-19 02:20pm

He committed the crime as a borderline minor, once he's paid off all his community service and turns 22, he's no longer a felon.

salm · Post by **salm** » 2003-04-19 02:29pm

<nelson>haahaa</nelson>

Sir Sirius · Post by **Sir Sirius** » 2003-04-19 03:15pm

The Duchess of Zeon wrote:I believe what he means is that he has to complete the mandated community service to be considered for having his civil rights restored. Actually, is that correct, Mark?

Civil rights restored? What are you talking about?

Post by **Dalton** » 2003-04-19 03:17pm

Sir Sirius wrote:
The Duchess of Zeon wrote:I believe what he means is that he has to complete the mandated community service to be considered for having his civil rights restored. Actually, is that correct, Mark?
Civil rights restored? What are you talking about?

He's not allowed to own guns.

irishmick79 · Post by **irishmick79** » 2003-04-19 03:30pm

Good luck shep. Hope it doesn't drive you insane too much.

The Duchess of Zeon · Post by **The Duchess of Zeon** » 2003-04-19 03:49pm

Dalton wrote: He's not allowed to own guns.

Or vote. If YB is correct in regard to Maryland's laws, both will be restored to him when he turns 22. Otherwise he'll have to petition a judge.

salm · Post by **salm** » 2003-04-19 03:55pm

The Duchess of Zeon wrote:
Dalton wrote: He's not allowed to own guns.
Or vote. If YB is correct in regard to Maryland's laws, both will be restored to him when he turns 22. Otherwise he'll have to petition a judge.

YOU´RE NOT ALLOWED TO VOTE IF YOU´RE A CRIMINAL???

Sir Sirius · Post by **Sir Sirius** » 2003-04-19 03:57pm

Oh, I see, Tanks.
I do understand the no-guns for a convicted felon, but why can't he still vote?

The Duchess of Zeon · Post by **The Duchess of Zeon** » 2003-04-19 03:59pm

Sir Sirius wrote:Oh, I see, Tanks.
I do understand the no-guns for a convicted felon, but why can't he still vote?

Because he's committed a felony, of course. Felons lose their civil rights because of the gravity of the crime they've committed (That's how the government can lock them up in prison in the first place, IIRC, at least in legal theory).

Sir Sirius · Post by **Sir Sirius** » 2003-04-19 04:10pm

The Duchess of Zeon wrote:Because he's committed a felony, of course. Felons lose their civil rights because of the gravity of the crime they've committed (That's how the government can lock them up in prison in the first place, IIRC, at least in legal theory).

Yes, I understood that, but what I don't understand is why does a felony conviction result in losing the right to vote.

salm · Post by **salm** » 2003-04-19 04:13pm

Sir Sirius wrote:
The Duchess of Zeon wrote:Because he's committed a felony, of course. Felons lose their civil rights because of the gravity of the crime they've committed (That's how the government can lock them up in prison in the first place, IIRC, at least in legal theory).
Yes, I understood that, but what I don't understand is why does a felony conviction result in losing the right to vote.

that´s how the government keeps people who they locked up out of the voting booth. they have to do that since the criminals would probably vote for the other party.

BWAHAHAHA CONSPIRACY!!!

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2003-04-19 05:01pm

The Duchess of Zeon wrote: I believe what he means is that he has to complete the mandated community service to be considered for having his civil rights restored. Actually, is that correct, Mark?

Mandated community service? Fuck no. This is something that isn't
required, (but wouldn't hurt) to butter up the judge.

Mandated is:

Psychological counseling: Once a month.

Anger Management : 3 x 60 minute sessions: COMPLETED

Parole officer: See her 3 x times a month.

And pretty much, they leave me alone, except I cannot leave
the state of Maryland for longer than 24 hours without giving
advance notice to the Dept of Parole and Probation

The Duchess of Zeon · Post by **The Duchess of Zeon** » 2003-04-19 05:29pm

Sir Sirius wrote:Yes, I understood that, but what I don't understand is why does a felony conviction result in losing the right to vote.

Why would you want felons voting until they've proved that they've reformed themselves to the satisfaction of a judge?

(No offense to Mark - I think you're fully capable and deserving of regaining your civil rights.)

The Duchess of Zeon · Post by **The Duchess of Zeon** » 2003-04-19 05:33pm

MKSheppard wrote:
Mandated community service? Fuck no. This is something that isn't
required, (but wouldn't hurt) to butter up the judge.

Mandated is:

Psychological counseling: Once a month.

Anger Management : 3 x 60 minute sessions: COMPLETED

Parole officer: See her 3 x times a month.

And pretty much, they leave me alone, except I cannot leave
the state of Maryland for longer than 24 hours without giving
advance notice to the Dept of Parole and Probation

Well, that's reasonable. Though the psychologist probably falls asleep during your sessions, I'm guessing, and the anger management classes were probably worthless. Good idea with the community service.

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2003-04-19 05:33pm

The Duchess of Zeon wrote: (No offense to Mark - I think you're fully capable and deserving of regaining your civil rights.)

Naa, no prob.

The current thing that is generating a bitchfest in Annapolis is
a proposal that would set a limit on the number of felony
convictions that a person can rack up before they permanently
lose their right to vote, etc. The number i've heard bandied
around is three times.

As you can tell, the black community is in an uproar over this
proposal

Sir Sirius · Post by **Sir Sirius** » 2003-04-19 05:41pm

The Duchess of Zeon wrote:Why would you want felons voting until they've proved that they've reformed themselves to the satisfaction of a judge?

Why wouldn't I wan't felons voting? I really see no harm in letting someone who has been convicted of a felony vote.
IMHO preventing felons from voting only serves to segregate them from rest of the society even further and certainly doesn't make it any easier for them to be re-integrated back in to society.

SyntaxVorlon · Post by **SyntaxVorlon** » 2003-04-19 06:26pm

Sir Sirius wrote:Yes, I understood that, but what I don't understand is why does a felony conviction result in losing the right to vote.

It removes people who commit heinous crimes from having a part in government. It made more sense toward the beginning fo the US. They have been disenfranchised.
Originally it was a drop in status, as the only voting part of a community were landholding 21+ white males, this killed would have killed them from most local politics, and would probably serve to embarrass them for years untold.

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