Swords!

Sokar · Post by **Sokar** » 2003-04-20 02:33am

Darth Wong wrote:Movie swords are made of aluminum, which is why they swing them around so easily. I'd love to see actors using real steel broadswords.

In LotR, the swords used by Viggo Mortensen(Aragorn) are all real steel full weight swords(no live edges of course). He wanted to use thoes rather than the light aluminum ones so that his movements would be as realistic as possible, including the fatigue slowing that almost all swordsmen experience in full on combat.

According to the commentary during the filming of the final battle sequence aginst the Uruk-Hai in FotR, Viggo got a bit over excited and beaned a number of the costumed stunt crew.....none of whom took it personally.

Knife · Post by **Knife** » 2003-04-20 03:10am

It shouldn't really surprise anyone, but my favorites include....

But for sheer looks, and not to mention skill......

But the pragmitist in me will always love the hand and a half.....

Post by **Beowulf** » 2003-04-20 03:32am

A carbon steel version of Hadhafang would be nice.

A dao would also be nice.

I wouldn't say no to a Falcata.

Keevan_Colton · Post by **Keevan_Colton** » 2003-04-20 03:55am

Beowulf wrote:
Keevan_Colton wrote:UC - United Cutlery, this in itself should give a hint of the quality of the blades.
Well... They are the only officially licensed replicas of the LOTR swords...

That they may be....doesnt change anything about the actual quality. That and UC tend to use rat-tail tangs.

aphexmonster · Post by **aphexmonster** » 2003-04-20 08:40am

Darth Yoshi wrote:Ooooh...nice. But unfortunately, it does not seems feasible.

yeah, sorreh

Anarchist Bunny · Post by **Anarchist Bunny** » 2003-04-20 09:36am

The LotR swords on Museam Replicas Limited are decorations entirely, thats why they are made of weaker metals, their normal swords are mostly made of carbon steel.

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2003-04-20 10:33am

After a quick look through Ebay i found these beauties

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-04-20 10:48am

Keevan_Colton wrote:That they may be....doesnt change anything about the actual quality. That and UC tend to use rat-tail tangs.

I've seen that noted of Glamdring though now mention of it on Narsil or Arwen's sword. What exactly does that mean?

I'm not planning on using one but I'd prefer to get something of decent quality.

Darth Gojira · Post by **Darth Gojira** » 2003-04-20 11:17am

As I said during "Rebel Without a Cause" and "West Side Story" : "REAL men use swords". Then I imagined Errol Flynn slicing open those silly teenagers.

Tsyroc · Post by **Tsyroc** » 2003-04-20 11:31am

Stormbringer wrote:
Keevan_Colton wrote:That they may be....doesnt change anything about the actual quality. That and UC tend to use rat-tail tangs.
I've seen that noted of Glamdring though now mention of it on Narsil or Arwen's sword. What exactly does that mean?

I'm not planning on using one but I'd prefer to get something of decent quality.

I'm not entirely sure but I think the tang is the part of the sword that goes into the handle. Rattail is discriptive in that those type of tangs are thiner, like a rat's tail, so there is less metal connecting the handle to the actual blade.

I couldn't find any pictures of swords without their handles but here's a photo of some knife blades. Knife Blades

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-04-20 11:33am

Tsyroc wrote:I'm not entirely sure but I think the tang is the part of the sword that goes into the handle. Rattail is discriptive in that those type of tangs are thiner, like a rat's tail, so there is less metal connecting the handle to the actual blade.

I couldn't find any pictures of swords without their handles but here's a photo of some knife blades. Knife Blades

Makes sense. So really it's something that's only going to matter if I want to actually use it.

Peregrin Toker · Post by **Peregrin Toker** » 2003-04-20 11:34am

I have a hard time finding a favourite sword type, since most sword types through history were rather specialized.

But when it comes to appearance, I prefer those middle-eastern scimitars, tulwars and yataghans. They are very elegant.

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-04-20 11:37am

Straight longsword for me, no frills.

Post by **LadyTevar** » 2003-04-20 01:34pm

Hotfoot wrote:
Stormbringer wrote:Any one know where to get Narsil/Anduril at? I want a good one and the official one isn't out from Noble Collection yet.
The links I provided are from SwordsOnline.com, you can buy them from there.

Museum Replicas has them as well.

Post by **LadyTevar** » 2003-04-20 01:36pm

Tsyroc wrote: I kind of like Arwen's sword but alas there's no picture on that site.

So it wasn't just my computer refusing to show the pic? GOOD!

Because Arwen's sword was *beautiful*

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2003-04-20 02:06pm

Keevan_Colton wrote:UC - United Cutlery, this in itself should give a hint of the quality of the blades.

I think that you're supposed to display TLotR weapons--I don't think that they ever thought someone would actually use one of them, and risk damaging it.

GrandMasterTerwynn · Post by **GrandMasterTerwynn** » 2003-04-20 02:23pm

Keevan_Colton wrote:Stainless steel is NOT good for weapons, spring steel is far better....the chromium content of shiny swords reduces the strength of the blade by making it more brittle.

You have to be careful with spring steel though. If you're gonna go with spring steel, avoid cheap knock-offs, as, for one thing, they like to recycle the spring steel from old trucks and military vehicles. And, for another thing, they don't really temper the steel properly, so the spring steel in a cheap sword still thinks it's a leaf spring from a truck, which causes all manner of stress in the steel. That has a result of giving the sword an overall hardness that is much, much less than that of an equally inexpensive stainless steel blade.

And if you must go stainless, then go with 440 or 440C (C is much better. Much higher carbon content.) grade stainless steels.

Cthulhu-chan · Post by **Cthulhu-chan** » 2003-04-20 02:50pm

Impractical, unweildly and not even truly functional, but oh baby:

Especially if I could get it with the case and everything.

aerius · Post by **aerius** » 2003-04-20 03:57pm

GrandMasterTerwynn wrote:And if you must go stainless, then go with 440 or 440C (C is much better. Much higher carbon content.) grade stainless steels.

And if you've got lots of money lying around go with a particle metallugy super steel. S30V stainless has better impact toughness, strength, and hardness than 440 and takes a much sharper and finer edge due to the better grain structure. Its properties are similar to A2 tool steel except that it's stainless while A2 is a rusting carbon steel. Thing is Jerry Hossom's the only guy I know who's making swords from S30V and he ain't taking orders right now.

Darth Yoshi · Post by **Darth Yoshi** » 2003-04-20 06:56pm

Cthulhu-chan wrote:Impractical, unweildly and not even truly functional, but oh baby:

SNIP IMAGES
Especially if I could get it with the case and everything.

How the hell does that thing even work? The blade is in the way of the bullets.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-04-20 07:09pm

Darth Yoshi wrote:
Cthulhu-chan wrote:Impractical, unweildly and not even truly functional, but oh baby:

SNIP IMAGES
Especially if I could get it with the case and everything.
How the hell does that thing even work? The blade is in the way of the bullets.

Looks like the blade is notched along the top to allow the bullet through.

Kelly Antilles · Post by **Kelly Antilles** » 2003-04-20 07:18pm

Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

Schiavona (#1-034)
The Schiavona is one of the most beautiful of all the basket-hilt swords. Originally used by the Slavic Mercenaries hired by the Doge of Venice, the Schiavona proved to be such an effective and attractive sword that it was soon in use all throughout Europe. Interestingly enough, in Drummond's famous book, "Ancient Scottish Weapons", there are several Schiavonas, many of which are of the style that we have decided to replicate. This sword, hand forged in India by Windlass Steelcrafts, has a steel basket, and the traditional brass catshead pommel. Both basket and blade are blued. The single-edged blade is well balanced and well tempered. The Schiavona, like its contemporary, the Claymore, was a cut and thrust sword, and although used alone, frequently a light buckler or target was also employed. Leather scabbard included.

I want to add that to my collection. Yum.

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2003-04-20 07:23pm

I'd like a sword like the one Kurgan has in Highlander, he's my hero ya see

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2003-04-20 07:27pm

Darth Yoshi wrote:
Cthulhu-chan wrote:Impractical, unweildly and not even truly functional, but oh baby:

SNIP IMAGES
Especially if I could get it with the case and everything.
How the hell does that thing even work? The blade is in the way of the bullets.

The end of the blade is cut and a barrel exit is visible. There is another version too with a semi-auto and not a revolver, they are cool looking but I'd hate to see one used on a real battlefield.

Never could fire the gun in FFVIII either.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-04-20 07:37pm

His Divine Shadow wrote:I'd like a sword like the one Kurgan has in Highlander, he's my hero ya see

Kurgan's Sword

www.swords-online.com