Finally adding to my canon database

[Master of Ossus]

toNo wonder the things can still function with upwards of half their mass blown away. There's almost nothing there to blow away.

[beyond hope]

Do you realize what this means? It means your average SCA group would own a Borg cube!

Seriously, I wondered about this when I saw First Contact: "You mean to tell me that noone, at no time in the Borg's history, has ever fired a FUCKIN' GUN at them?!"

My rationalization went like this: they can't adapt to *everything*, because some of the adaptations will be mutually exclusive to each other. So, the most logical way Borg adaptation would work is that they adjust so the predominant weapons in use against them will be less effective. Anything they're not expecting, they're not adapted for.

[Evil Jerk]

Of course, if they do have some way to adapt to physical impacts even if it meant "turning off" other adaptations, why are both the Tommy Gun and Worf's knife thingy equally effective?
I haven't seen the movie in a while and I don't remember which came first, but regardless, they should've been prepared once they saw the Enterprise crew willing to use other weapons.

So.. either they can't adapt ever, or they're all slow-witted morons.
Either explanation fits the facts..

[Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman]

Which begs the question:

A Roman legion vs an equal number of Borg drones.

How about this?

Shaolin Kung-Fu fighters vs an equal number of Borg drones








My money on the kung-fu fighters.

[Sea Skimmer]

Which begs the question:

A Roman legion vs an equal number of Borg drones.

The Romans have every advantage

I'd like to see 40 million Borg vs. Liberty City and its population of four million..

[SirNitram]

Which begs the question:

A Roman legion vs an equal number of Borg drones.

The Romans have every advantage

I'd like to see 40 million Borg vs. Liberty City and its population of four million..

Borg by sheer numbers.... Most won't be able to pull their gun, because it won't be nearby, or they'll be too scared of the freakish thing walking at them.

[Darth Yoshi]

How about this?

Shaolin Kung-Fu fighters vs an equal number of Borg drones








My money on the kung-fu fighters.

Shaolin fighters all the way. If the Borg had a two-to-one numerical advantage, the Shaolin monks still might win.

[ZT]

Hopefully for a long time!

My main beef with this issue is the stupidiy of Fed officers. The don't even TRY to overload the shields, they simply throw down their weapons and give up!

[Typhonis 1]

We are the borg resistnce is...*WHAM thump thump*"get outta the street ya gimp"

[Lord Poe]

Hehehe....

http://h4h.com/louis/borg.html#borg%20l ... %20shields

[SPOOFE]

"We are the dyslexic Borg... you will be ass-laminated..."

[DarkStar]

Romans win. They're bad enemies for the borg.
I'm waiting for DumbShit to come and say 'but they can adapt and gain what they lose thru assimilation'

1. Judging by the fact that the Borg are discriminating assimilators, they would probably ignore the Romans until someone started yelling "Roma Victor", and the Romans starting unloading with ballistas and arrows. Instead of fighting, though, I'd imagine the Borg would simply beam out, assuming that option was available.

2. We have seen just one example of anti-personnel (i.e. "don't touch me") forcefield use by the Borg, but it is enough to show that they do have it, at least aboard-ship.

3. It is unknown whether or not arrows would kill the Borg. Picard stated quite clearly in "First Contact" that the bullets he fired were holographic in nature, meaning they were energy based (a la the holodoc), and not "holodeck matter", or real bullets. In other words, to my knowledge, we've never seen a projectile fired at a Borg.

The common Warsie conjecture is that the Federation officers simply haven't thought of trying to use bullets. However, it is more likely that the Borg drone forcefields are capable of repelling KE attacks, but are rigged for use against something speedier than a Klingon knife. This would allow for interaction with the environment, while maintaining protection against most projectile weapons.

This is simple conjecture on my part, but so is the Warsie belief. I simply conjecture in favor of the Borg and the Federation, and not against.

[DarkStar]

Forgot to mention:

Roman Swords: Yes, would kill Borg, evidently

But, Scorpion also demonstrates the use of disruptors by the Borg against the 8472 incursion aboard the cube. (This, in spite of the fact that the Borg very much wanted to assimilate the being.) The weapon was probably not unlike what was seen in use by the Borg in "Descent, Pt. I".

While it's unclear what the behavior of a group of Borg would be against a Roman legion, if we assume that the Borg would see no reason to assimilate them, they might simply shoot them. Even if they were intrigued by the biological distinctiveness, if not the technological, they apparently still might shoot if they were getting too whipped.

[Lord of the Farce]

How about this?

Shaolin Kung-Fu fighters vs an equal number of Borg drones

My money on the kung-fu fighters.

*Goes and watches the "Shaolin: Wheel of Life" video*

... A little overkill?

[Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman]

Romans win. They're bad enemies for the borg.
I'm waiting for DumbShit to come and say 'but they can adapt and gain what they lose thru assimilation'

1. Judging by the fact that the Borg are discriminating assimilators, they would probably ignore the Romans until someone started yelling "Roma Victor", and the Romans starting unloading with ballistas and arrows. Instead of fighting, though, I'd imagine the Borg would simply beam out, assuming that option was available.

Concession accepted. The Borg flee against Roman soldiers.

2. We have seen just one example of anti-personnel (i.e. "don't touch me") forcefield use by the Borg, but it is enough to show that they do have it, at least aboard-ship.

Even if they have, they just used it ONCE throughougt all B&B's garbages, er, episodes. They didn't use it in **other** circumstances even though in dire needs of it. They didn't use it in First Contact despite being mangled by Worf's Bat'leth (or whatever). They didn't use it in Scorpion despite being mangled by S8472's ***claws***.

Either such forcefield is not common among the Borg, or the Borg are just plain ***********STUPID***********.

3. It is unknown whether or not arrows would kill the Borg. Picard stated quite clearly in "First Contact" that the bullets he fired were holographic in nature, meaning they were energy based (a la the holodoc), and not "holodeck matter", or real bullets. In other words, to my knowledge, we've never seen a projectile fired at a Borg.

Arrows=KE attacks.
Worf's Bath'leth=KE attack.
S8472's claws=KE attack.

Go figure.

The common Warsie conjecture is that the Federation officers simply haven't thought of trying to use bullets. However, it is more likely that the Borg drone forcefields are capable of repelling KE attacks, but are rigged for use against something speedier than a Klingon knife. This would allow for interaction with the environment, while maintaining protection against most projectile weapons.

Ummm... PROOF???

This is simple conjecture on my part, but so is the Warsie belief. I simply conjecture in favor of the Borg and the Federation, and not against.

And what the Federation's got to do with this? We're talkin' about the Borg, ain't we? Ohhh... I see. You'll defend anything Star Trek by any means on your disposal, won't you? Well... don't blame us if we think you're pathetic.

[Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman]

Hehehe....

http://h4h.com/louis/borg.html#borg%20l ... %20shields

Wayne, I wonder whether DorkStar already read your page above.... Of course, reading and comprehending are different matters, though.

[DarkStar]

Concession accepted. The Borg flee against Roman soldiers.

3. It is unknown whether or not arrows would kill the Borg. Picard stated quite clearly in "First Contact" that the bullets he fired were holographic in nature, meaning they were energy based (a la the holodoc), and not "holodeck matter", or real bullets. In other words, to my knowledge, we've never seen a projectile fired at a Borg.

Arrows=KE attacks.
Worf's Bath'leth=KE attack.
S8472's claws=KE attack.

Go figure.

As I suggest below, simply lumping everything as "KE attack" may not be the best way to go.

The common Warsie conjecture is that the Federation officers simply haven't thought of trying to use bullets. However, it is more likely that the Borg drone forcefields are capable of repelling KE attacks, but are rigged for use against something speedier than a Klingon knife. This would allow for interaction with the environment, while maintaining protection against most projectile weapons.

Ummm... PROOF???

Did I not just tell you that we've never seen a projectile weapon used against the Borg? We know the Federation has them: http://www.leenet.demon.co.uk/phaser/2370/tr-116.htm

You can either guess, like Warsies, that no one said "hey, waitaminute, let's try this!", or you can guess, like me, that there's a reason they aren't used.

This is simple conjecture on my part, but so is the Warsie belief. I simply conjecture in favor of the Borg and the Federation, and not against.

And what the Federation's got to do with this? We're talkin' about the Borg, ain't we? Ohhh... I see. You'll defend anything Star Trek by any means on your disposal, won't you? Well... don't blame us if we think you're pathetic.

And you'll attack anything Star Trek by any means and yadda-yadda-yadda, 'round the circle we go.

What is pathetic is that you think my favorable conjecture versus your preferred unfavorable conjecture constitutes some sort of basis for believing I am pathetic.

Wayne, I wonder whether DorkStar already read your page above....

Actually, I did, and found it quite useful. It confirms that no projectile weapons have ever been seen in use against Borg drones.

[Cpt_Frank]

1. Judging by the fact that the Borg are discriminating assimilators, they would probably ignore the Romans until someone started yelling "Roma Victor", and the Romans starting unloading with ballistas and arrows. Instead of fighting, though, I'd imagine the Borg would simply beam out, assuming that option was available.

2. We have seen just one example of anti-personnel (i.e. "don't touch me") forcefield use by the Borg, but it is enough to show that they do have it, at least aboard-ship.

3. It is unknown whether or not arrows would kill the Borg. Picard stated quite clearly in "First Contact" that the bullets he fired were holographic in nature, meaning they were energy based (a la the holodoc), and not "holodeck matter", or real bullets. In other words, to my knowledge, we've never seen a projectile fired at a Borg.

The common Warsie conjecture is that the Federation officers simply haven't thought of trying to use bullets. However, it is more likely that the Borg drone forcefields are capable of repelling KE attacks, but are rigged for use against something speedier than a Klingon knife. This would allow for interaction with the environment, while maintaining protection against most projectile weapons.

This is simple conjecture on my part, but so is the Warsie belief. I simply conjecture in favor of the Borg and the Federation, and not against.

Everything proceeds as I have forseen.

[DarkStar]

Everything proceeds as I have forseen.

Nah . . . I didn't say they'd adapt, or assimilate Romans to recoup losses.

[Mr Bean]

Actually, I did, and found it quite useful. It confirms that no projectile weapons have ever been seen in use against Borg drones.

Funnny as hell, I'll let somone who can't stop laughing when they look at your post answear this but one quick thing from that link you provided

A experimental weapon developed by Starfleet Security

They very first Sentance calls it an expermental weapon

No a main line weapon, Not a common weapon, An expermental Weapon

Tell me how many tank mounted Sonic Disrupters did the US send to Afiganstan? Why none, Because its still an expermental Weapon

[Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman]

Concession accepted. The Borg flee against Roman soldiers.

Laughing on your own claims, eh? It was YOU who say that they'll BEAM AWAY. A bunch of supposedly hi-tech aliens flee against soldiers of ancient Earth civilization. Yeah, LOL!!!

3. It is unknown whether or not arrows would kill the Borg. Picard stated quite clearly in "First Contact" that the bullets he fired were holographic in nature, meaning they were energy based (a la the holodoc), and not "holodeck matter", or real bullets. In other words, to my knowledge, we've never seen a projectile fired at a Borg.

Arrows=KE attacks.
Worf's Bath'leth=KE attack.
S8472's claws=KE attack.

Go figure.

As I suggest below, simply lumping everything as "KE attack" may not be the best way to go.

Hohohoho... Let's use some logic here. ***BAT'LETH*** and ***CLAWS*** works fine against the Borg. What makes you think bullets won't? What makes you think arrows won't?

The common Warsie conjecture is that the Federation officers simply haven't thought of trying to use bullets. However, it is more likely that the Borg drone forcefields are capable of repelling KE attacks, but are rigged for use against something speedier than a Klingon knife. This would allow for interaction with the environment, while maintaining protection against most projectile weapons.

Ummm... PROOF???

Did I not just tell you that we've never seen a projectile weapon used against the Borg? We know the Federation has them: http://www.leenet.demon.co.uk/phaser/2370/tr-116.htm

You can either guess, like Warsies, that no one said "hey, waitaminute, let's try this!", or you can guess, like me, that there's a reason they aren't used.

Well, DarkAss, next time you point a URL please **READ** it first. It may work badly against you. Here's a quote from http://www.leenet.demon.co.uk/phaser/2370/tr-116.htm

It's a fair assumption that this rifle was designed with the Borg in mind, since projectiles have been proved effective against them - so far as we've seen.

This is simple conjecture on my part, but so is the Warsie belief. I simply conjecture in favor of the Borg and the Federation, and not against.

And what the Federation's got to do with this? We're talkin' about the Borg, ain't we? Ohhh... I see. You'll defend anything Star Trek by any means on your disposal, won't you? Well... don't blame us if we think you're pathetic.

And you'll attack anything Star Trek by any means and yadda-yadda-yadda, 'round the circle we go.

What is pathetic is that you think my favorable conjecture versus your preferred unfavorable conjecture constitutes some sort of basis for believing I am pathetic.

No, I'm attacking your arguments on the Borg. It was YOU who bring the Federation in.

"I simply conjecture in favor of the Borg and the Federation, and not against."

Since, AFAIK, we are not discussing the Federation here, what the meaning of that above? Hmmm???

Wayne, I wonder whether DorkStar already read your page above....

Actually, I did, and found it quite useful. It confirms that no projectile weapons have ever been seen in use against Borg drones.

And it confirms that ***BAT'LETH*** and ***CLAWS*** works fine against the Borg.

[Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman]

FYI, DarkAss, bullet carries MUCH more KE than claws, sword, or Bath'leth.

Arrows can carry more KE than swords. What makes you think medieval british longbow can penetrate knight's plate mail, while swords can't?

The common Warsie conjecture is that the Federation officers simply haven't thought of trying to use bullets. However, it is more likely that the Borg drone forcefields are capable of repelling KE attacks, but are rigged for use against something speedier than a Klingon knife. This would allow for interaction with the environment, while maintaining protection against most projectile weapons.

You haven't show a SINGLE PROOF for this ridiculous claim. Proof that Borg drone forcefields can repel KE attacks. Please provide us with upper limits and lower limits on their KE resistance. Please mention a SINGLE EPISODE when Borg dronce forcefields DID repel KE attacks.

[DarkStar]

They very first Sentance calls it an expermental weapon

With the replicator pattern restricted to officers. Hell, Wesley could have made one. It isn't like they've forgotten projectile weaponry . . . the Klingons (and, evidently, the Federation afterward) were making flintlocks in "A Private Little War"[TOS].

[DarkStar]

Tell me how many tank mounted Sonic Disrupters did the US send to Afiganstan? Why none, Because its still an expermental Weapon

Funny, we sent our drone planes.

[Cpt_Frank]

Which were in the prototype stage anymore, in fact they could be mass produced.