Transgender to run for public office in Japan...

generator_g1 · Post by **generator_g1** » 2003-04-21 06:57am

Just got it from an e-mail...

In a landmark decision, a transgender woman will be allowed to run for office as a female, even though under Japanese law she is still
considered a male.

She will be listed on the ballot for Tokyo's municipal government under her chosen name of Aya Kamikawa.

When Kamikawa, 35, presented her candidacy documents last month to
an election administration committee, she left blank the box for sex.
Local officials referred the question to the federal government, which ruled she could run as a female, but all official reports and records of the poll will refer to her as a man.

Kamikawa is on a hospital waiting list to undergo sex reassignment
surgery later this year. But even after the surgery is complete,
she will continue to be officially recognized as male on her family register, the official document the government uses for all identification.

Japan is one of the few major industrialized nations that does not
have transgender rights. The term "transgender" is not used.
Rather, transgender people are referred to as "suffering gender identity
disorder."

Frankly I don't care if she's a transgender as long as she does her job...but what will other's people reaction be?

Col. Crackpot · Post by **Col. Crackpot** » 2003-04-21 07:08am

See, thats one thing i never understood. Why the hell do people feel the need to go chopping their dick off and growing a set of squeeze toys? Now don't get me wrong, i don't care who you choose to sleep with, or what gender you choose to dress up as, but fuck, i have to draw the line a self mutilation. Why is it if you chop off your fingers, they call it a mental disorder and put you in a psych ward, but if you chop of your dick, oh, your just exploring your sexuality! Hell, when i was a kid i wanted to grow up and be a fire truck, but at one point i realized i just didn't have the equipment. Did i have a flashing red light, ladder and hose surgically attached to my body? nope, i grew up and moved on.

Einhander Sn0m4n · Post by **Einhander Sn0m4n** » 2003-04-21 07:14am

Col. Crackpot wrote:See, thats one thing i never understood. Why the hell do people feel the need to go chopping their dick off and growing a set of squeeze toys? Now don't get me wrong, i don't care who you choose to sleep with, or what gender you choose to dress up as, but fuck, i have to draw the line a self mutilation. Why is it if you chop off your fingers, they call it a mental disorder and put you in a psych ward, but if you chop of your dick, oh, your just exploring your sexuality! Hell, when i was a kid i wanted to grow up and be a fire truck, but at one point i realized i just didn't have the equipment. Did i have a flashing red light, ladder and hose surgically attached to my body? nope, i grew up and moved on.

OMFG ROTFLMMFGDQQAO!!!!!

If that wasn't so damn long, I'd put it on my sig!!

Col. Crackpot · Post by **Col. Crackpot** » 2003-04-21 07:20am

Einhander Sn0m4n wrote:
Col. Crackpot wrote:See, thats one thing i never understood. Why the hell do people feel the need to go chopping their dick off and growing a set of squeeze toys? Now don't get me wrong, i don't care who you choose to sleep with, or what gender you choose to dress up as, but fuck, i have to draw the line a self mutilation. Why is it if you chop off your fingers, they call it a mental disorder and put you in a psych ward, but if you chop of your dick, oh, your just exploring your sexuality! Hell, when i was a kid i wanted to grow up and be a fire truck, but at one point i realized i just didn't have the equipment. Did i have a flashing red light, ladder and hose surgically attached to my body? nope, i grew up and moved on.
OMFG ROTFLMMFGDQQAO!!!!!

If that wasn't so damn long, I'd put it on my sig!!

well i glad you liked my pearl of wisdom for the day. take notes, there'll be a test at the end of the week

aphexmonster · Post by **aphexmonster** » 2003-04-21 07:30am

Some folks are just against themselves .. the fact that transgender operations exsist is a sign of how fucked up society is ... yaye for humanity.

... i guess i could say at least we have a choice

XaLEv · Post by **XaLEv** » 2003-04-21 07:34am

Well good for her.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-04-21 07:37am

Col. Crackpot wrote:See, thats one thing i never understood. Why the hell do people feel the need to go chopping their dick off and growing a set of squeeze toys? Now don't get me wrong, i don't care who you choose to sleep with, or what gender you choose to dress up as, but fuck, i have to draw the line a self mutilation. Why is it if you chop off your fingers, they call it a mental disorder and put you in a psych ward, but if you chop of your dick, oh, your just exploring your sexuality! Hell, when i was a kid i wanted to grow up and be a fire truck, but at one point i realized i just didn't have the equipment. Did i have a flashing red light, ladder and hose surgically attached to my body? nope, i grew up and moved on.

That's the dumbest rant I've heard in a while. Why should they be stopped from doing it? If they are the opposite sex mentally why is it they should force themselves to live a false life? There's no harm to them by doing this and no harm to anyone else. So why shouldn't they be allowed to have a sex change? Simply because the idea makes you uncomfortable isn't a reason.

It's really no different than forcing a gay man to be straight. It's likewise forcing them to behave and act as something they just aren't. So why do it when there's no harm?

Hethrir · Post by **Hethrir** » 2003-04-21 07:55am

Why don't they just keep their "man body" and date men??

Col. Crackpot · Post by **Col. Crackpot** » 2003-04-21 08:17am

Stormbringer wrote:
Col. Crackpot wrote:See, thats one thing i never understood. Why the hell do people feel the need to go chopping their dick off and growing a set of squeeze toys? Now don't get me wrong, i don't care who you choose to sleep with, or what gender you choose to dress up as, but fuck, i have to draw the line a self mutilation. Why is it if you chop off your fingers, they call it a mental disorder and put you in a psych ward, but if you chop of your dick, oh, your just exploring your sexuality! Hell, when i was a kid i wanted to grow up and be a fire truck, but at one point i realized i just didn't have the equipment. Did i have a flashing red light, ladder and hose surgically attached to my body? nope, i grew up and moved on.
That's the dumbest rant I've heard in a while. Why should they be stopped from doing it? If they are the opposite sex mentally why is it they should force themselves to live a false life? There's no harm to them by doing this and no harm to anyone else. So why shouldn't they be allowed to have a sex change? Simply because the idea makes you uncomfortable isn't a reason.

It's really no different than forcing a gay man to be straight. It's likewise forcing them to behave and act as something they just aren't. So why do it when there's no harm?

i'm not saying they should be stopped, per se..... I just find it annoying that one act is self mutilation and the other is just normal sexual exploration? Cutting off a part of your body is either a mental disorder or it's not.

Col. Crackpot · Post by **Col. Crackpot** » 2003-04-21 08:18am

XaLEv wrote:Well good for her.

good for shim

Nathan F · Post by **Nathan F** » 2003-04-21 09:07am

There is a professor here that is transgender, a male to female, I think...

Her/his name is Adcock, but, s/he is referred to quite often as Adacock.

Montcalm · Post by **Montcalm** » 2003-04-21 09:20am

Hethrir wrote:Why don't they just keep their "man body" and date men??

Everyone has the right to chose what they want to be,they can be gay change sex or remove their brain and run for POTUS.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2003-04-21 09:30am

Col. Crackpot wrote:
Stormbringer wrote:
Col. Crackpot wrote:See, thats one thing i never understood. Why the hell do people feel the need to go chopping their dick off and growing a set of squeeze toys? Now don't get me wrong, i don't care who you choose to sleep with, or what gender you choose to dress up as, but fuck, i have to draw the line a self mutilation. Why is it if you chop off your fingers, they call it a mental disorder and put you in a psych ward, but if you chop of your dick, oh, your just exploring your sexuality! Hell, when i was a kid i wanted to grow up and be a fire truck, but at one point i realized i just didn't have the equipment. Did i have a flashing red light, ladder and hose surgically attached to my body? nope, i grew up and moved on.
That's the dumbest rant I've heard in a while. Why should they be stopped from doing it? If they are the opposite sex mentally why is it they should force themselves to live a false life? There's no harm to them by doing this and no harm to anyone else. So why shouldn't they be allowed to have a sex change? Simply because the idea makes you uncomfortable isn't a reason.

It's really no different than forcing a gay man to be straight. It's likewise forcing them to behave and act as something they just aren't. So why do it when there's no harm?
i'm not saying they should be stopped, per se..... I just find it annoying that one act is self mutilation and the other is just normal sexual exploration? Cutting off a part of your body is either a mental disorder or it's not.

or something to be a disorder, it must be hrmful. If it is simply odd, it is abnormal. The moment you are harming yourself, or smeone else, as a result of that abnormality it becomes a disorder.

Trans people go through a year of psych screening, and they have to live as a person of their new gnder for 6-18 months depending on the area.

InnerBrat · Post by **InnerBrat** » 2003-04-21 09:32am

Hethrir wrote:Why don't they just keep their "man body" and date men??

<sigh> It's not about sexuality, that's why, it's about GENDER IDENTITY!!!

I think all the gay guys on this board will quite happily confirm that they're MEN, not 'women trapped in men's bodies', just as the one lesbian will qquite ahppily admit she's a woman.

Transgender people, however, strongly believe that they should be the other gender, and they have a right to pursue that.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2003-04-21 09:44am

Col. Crackpot wrote:
XaLEv wrote:Well good for her.
good for shim

*SMACK*

Dont be an ass

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2003-04-21 09:44am

Hethrir wrote:Why don't they just keep their "man body" and date men??

*SMACK*
Dont be a prick...NOOOB

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2003-04-21 10:00am

Einhander Sn0m4n wrote: If that wasn't so damn long, I'd put it on my sig!!

Same here, damn, you know the world is coming to an end when Einy
and Shep both agree on a sex related issue

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2003-04-21 10:04am

I would have thought Ragnarok was upon us when we agreed on something political a while back.

Post by **Zaia** » 2003-04-21 10:07am

innerbrat wrote:
Hethrir wrote:Why don't they just keep their "man body" and date men??
<sigh> It's not about sexuality, that's why, it's about GENDER IDENTITY!!!

I think all the gay guys on this board will quite happily confirm that they're MEN, not 'women trapped in men's bodies', just as the one lesbian will qquite ahppily admit she's a woman.

Transgender people, however, strongly believe that they should be the other gender, and they have a right to pursue that.

Well said, darlin'.

And XaLEv, that was my first response too.

Col. Crackpot · Post by **Col. Crackpot** » 2003-04-21 10:17am

Alyrium Denryle wrote: or something to be a disorder, it must be hrmful. If it is simply odd, it is abnormal. The moment you are harming yourself, or smeone else, as a result of that abnormality it becomes a disorder.

since when is chopping of body parts not harmful? think about it for a second. if someone lopped off a foot because mentally he or she decided it was not part of their 'identity' anymore, would you not classify that as harmfull? if someone wanted to gouge out their eyeballs so they could 'identify' with blind culture, would you not classify that as harmfull? Look, i'm not advocating legislation to ban this sort of thing, i'm saying that there are some obvious mental illness when someone wants to CHOP OF THEIR FUCKING BODY PARTS. This has nothing to do with homosexuality, which is as far as i am concerned is perfectly normal. THIS IS CHOPPING OFF BODY PARTS. If this wasn't so en vouge with the PC types, it would be classified as a mental illness.

Iceberg · Post by **Iceberg** » 2003-04-21 10:41am

I just went through a flamewar with this on sb.com and I don't feel like rehashing this very much, but Crackpot, you're cracked.

You think people go through a painful and potentially debilitating surgical procedure for a lark? This is very different than what you're thinking, and maybe you should consider finding out something about the subject, before you subject people to your ignorant opinion.

Col. Crackpot · Post by **Col. Crackpot** » 2003-04-21 10:52am

Iceberg wrote:I just went through a flamewar with this on sb.com and I don't feel like rehashing this very much, but Crackpot, you're cracked.

You think people go through a painful and potentially debilitating surgical procedure for a lark? This is very different than what you're thinking, and maybe you should consider finding out something about the subject, before you subject people to your ignorant opinion.

or we could just agree to disagree. we can do that you know, because i am not going to change my opinion. And please, do not try to paint me as a bigot by calling my opinion ignorant. believe it or not a am a very tolerant person, however i am allowed to comment on thing i find repugnant.

Iceberg · Post by **Iceberg** » 2003-04-21 10:57am

Your opinion clearly is ignorant, though, because you obviously know nothing about the subject and equally obviously have no intention of learning anything about the subject.

Ignorance is not a flaw - it is the default state of a person on a subject with which they have no familiarity. Willful ignorance, on the other hand, is a flaw. By stating that you have no intention of educating yourself on the subject, you fall into the latter category.

Col. Crackpot · Post by **Col. Crackpot** » 2003-04-21 11:05am

Iceberg wrote:Your opinion clearly is ignorant, though, because you obviously know nothing about the subject and equally obviously have no intention of learning anything about the subject.

Ignorance is not a flaw - it is the default state of a person on a subject with which they have no familiarity. Willful ignorance, on the other hand, is a flaw. By stating that you have no intention of educating yourself on the subject, you fall into the latter category.

i'm willing to bet that you have no desire to discover what dog shit tastes like, so by that logic you are also willfully ignorant. Look, this is an activity i find repugnant. i also find shit porn repugnant. i am not advocating for new laws to outlaw either sex changes or shit porn, i am merely stating my opinion. I have no right to tell you that your opinion is wrong, and you have no right to tell me mine is wrong, even if you dress up your disdain for my opinion with your condecending moral indignation.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-04-21 11:16am

My reaction is pretty much the same as G1's. All that matters is how well she can do her job.

And when she does have the sex reasignment surgery, I wouldn't think of her as being anything other than a woman.

As XaLEv said: Good for her.