Homeworld ship designs

Temjin · Post by **Temjin** » 2003-04-20 10:31pm

Gah!

Alyeska, could you link the image instead? It's messing with the format.

Sokar · Post by **Sokar** » 2003-04-21 12:02am

Jesus jumped up Christ people, how the hell is there even a debate over this ? At the beginning of HW you choose a ship style, Kushuan or Taiidani eiether way you PLAY as the exiled peoples of the dying desert world of Kharak, regardless of what ship type you fly........

Hotfoot · Post by **Hotfoot** » 2003-04-21 01:11am

Alyeska wrote:There is canon evidence from the original Homeworld that supports the Kushan as being the exiles.

http://well-of-souls.com/homeworld/hws/ ... rrier1.jpg

This particular carrier design was seen in the Kadesh Cathederal near the cargo ship that brought these particular Kushan into the nebula where they became the Kadesh. It states the Kadesh canabalized all the ships that entered, yet they didn't touch their own ship. The fact that a carrier type vesel with a clear design lineage to the Kushan carrier is intact and imediately near the cargo ship proves who the exiles truly are.

http://well-of-souls.com/homeworld/hws/ ... arrier.htm

Intact? Does that ship honestly look intact to you, Alyeska? It's been stripped clean, or "cannabalized", if you'd prefer. Maybe even freshly so, if there is a cargo ship near by it (perhaps part of an Imperial Task Force sent to find the Hiigarans?). Furthermore, the Exiles created all of their ship designs while on Kharak, they simply did not have the technology to produce them until they continued on their journey. In any case, the hulk of a Kushani ship in the Cathedral of Kadesh only further indicates that the Kushan are, in fact, the Imperials, because the Hiigarans had absolutely ZERO contact with the Kadeshi up until the Mothership Fleet came through.

Also, there is a hulk in the junkyard later on which bears a striking resembalence to the Kushan Heavy Cruiser. How did that get there, if the Kushan have been on Kharak all this time? It comes back once more to which explaination fits the evidence the best, requiring the least assumptions. Right now, using the evidence you've provided, you have to make the most assumptions to have it support your position. You have to assume that somehow the Hiigarans kept their knowledge of their warfleet ships through the exile (yet they didn't even discover the hyperdrive of their prison ship until they had worked their way up to space age technology from tribal, nomad, pre-industrial culture, over the course of 1,300+ years. Yes, obviously they managed to keep alive their technology during all of that time. It must have been passed on through their religious tribal dances and storytelling.

And no, there were no warship designs in the Khar-Toba. The only discoveries made there concerned the hyperdrive and the guidestone. At the most they could have picked up some information concerning the engines and materials used in building the vessel, but that's it. I sincerely doubt that the Imperials would have shipped off an entire race to exile and conveniently packed along their warship designs in their prison ships.

They didn't like it; however, they know they can't disregard it because it was a fan favorite. At most they will intentionaly destroy the Kuun-Lan in the begining just to spite Barking Dog yet apease the fans.

Wrong. They can easily disregard it. There will be no Acolytes, super or otherwise, for example. Fighters, as far as I know, will use fuel. Energy shields, to my knowledge, are not in the game, along with a bevy of other things introduced in Cataclysm. Also, HW2 takes place some 100 years after the retaking of Hiigara. If they had the things that Kiith Somtaaw had at the end (or hell, the beginning) of Cataclysm, they would have easily developed much greater advances by HW2. Yet I still see ships using mass drivers, not the upgraded energy cannons of Cataclysm. I see nothing even close to resembling a multibeam frigate, a mimic, all-purpose workers, etc. in the screens and information currently released for HW2.

Cataclysm will not likely even be mentioned, save perhaps a small token cameo mention to appease the Cataclysm fans. Other than that, it will probably be stricken from the record.

Sokar wrote:Jesus jumped up Christ people, how the hell is there even a debate over this ? At the beginning of HW you choose a ship style, Kushuan or Taiidani eiether way you PLAY as the exiled peoples of the dying desert world of Kharak, regardless of what ship type you fly........

And yet you're the one who brought it up to begin with...

Sokar · Post by **Sokar** » 2003-04-21 01:17am

I didn't bring up SHIT, I just used the term I remembered and liked for the fleet I liked

I had no idea there was even a debat about this entire subject......

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2003-04-21 09:45am

Your a real fucking dumbass Hotfoot. Cataclysm happened and there isn't a damned thing you can do about it. The Kushan are the exiles and that is it. Funny thing to. We have given evidence that proves the Kushan were the exiles. All you do is bitch and whine like a baby.

Hotfoot · Post by **Hotfoot** » 2003-04-21 10:07am

Alyeska wrote:Your a real fucking dumbass Hotfoot.

Oh, I see. I refute your points in a logical manner, and you resort to insults. Clever.

Cataclysm happened and there isn't a damned thing you can do about it.

Hello, McFly! You been following the stuff that's been released about HW2 so far or what?

The Kushan are the exiles and that is it.

The 'nana is the MS of HW2, which I've already said. However, it is not the logical choice. Cataclysm will be largely ignored if HW2 is to happen at all. Relic is going to be of the position that much of it never happened. At most, they might make vague references to the general plot, but that's it. Cataclysm did several things that Relic never intended for the HW series, and they are the original creators. What they say goes, period. If anything, you're the one making unreasonable demands in this regard, saying that Relic has no choice but to acknowledge Cataclysm in HW2. That's like saying that George Lucas has no choice but to acknowledge Kevin J. Anderson's books (and the rest of the EU) in Episodes 1, 2, and 3. Funny, I don't see that happening in either case...

Funny thing to. We have given evidence that proves the Kushan were the exiles. All you do is bitch and whine like a baby.

Oh please. The evidence you've provided contradicts your position. As for "whining like a baby", I refuted your arguments logically and consistantly. All you can do is respond with insults and going, "I'm right, I'm right, you're wrong, shut up!"

Who's whining again?

So go on, attack my position logically, that the evidence provided in Homeworld suggests that the Kushan were, in fact, the exiles. Show me that I'm wrong in thinking that the Taiidan were, in fact, intended to be the true exiles.

I'm waiting...

ben · Post by **ben** » 2003-04-21 10:16am

Err...Hotfoot how about this? Homeworld 2 Developer Diary 01

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2003-04-21 10:17am

Funny thing, Relic has already used the Kushan as the Exiles for HW2. So they already accepted Cataclysm.

Your a fucking idiot. You didn't disprove anything. All you did was act like an ass when I never even insulted you in the first place.

Hotfoot · Post by **Hotfoot** » 2003-04-21 10:42am

Alyeska wrote:Funny thing, Relic has already used the Kushan as the Exiles for HW2. So they already accepted Cataclysm.

You'll note that I never denied that the Kushan mothership was the Hiigaran Mothership for HW2, you dipshit. Did you even read my posts? Accepting the Kushan as the exiles for HW2 does not mean that they have accepted Cataclysm wholesale, which you seem to claim they have. I've already stated in a previous post that the Kushan = exile thing is probably the only real connection between HW2 and Cataclysm, but I guess you just missed that post, huh?

You still have yet to show that, going by the evidence provided in Homeworld, the Kushan are logically the exiles, not the Taiidan.

Your a fucking idiot. You didn't disprove anything. All you did was act like an ass when I never even insulted you in the first place.

What are you talking about? Act like an ass? Did you even read a single word of my posts? I showed the flaws in your argument, and you respond with nothing but insults. Where was I being an ass? When I showed the absurdity of your arguments? You have really low standards if that is the case.

ben wrote:Err...Hotfoot how about this? Homeworld 2 Developer Diary 01

I've seen it. What's your point? Does it say that they are faithfully following the storyline and events of Cataclysm anywhere in that Dev Diary? Hell, the first two paragraphs aren't even a part of the Dev Journal, it's introductory text by Action Vault writers. That hardly makes it canon. Nowhere in that page does Geoff Thomas mention Kushan, Taiidan, or Cataclysm. Let me know when you find a direct quote of a Relic employee that says definatively one way or the other on the matter, because I would like to see it.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2003-04-21 10:56am

Hotfoot wrote:Let me know when you find a direct quote of a Relic employee that says definatively one way or the other on the matter, because I would like to see it.

I guess the screenshots which are made by RELIC EMPLOYEES just aren't enough eh?

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2003-04-21 10:58am

Hotfoot, you showed the "Flaws" in my posts and insulted me at the same time.

Hotfoot · Post by **Hotfoot** » 2003-04-21 11:04am

Alyeska wrote:
Hotfoot wrote:Let me know when you find a direct quote of a Relic employee that says definatively one way or the other on the matter, because I would like to see it.
I guess the screenshots which are made by RELIC EMPLOYEES just aren't enough eh?

Yet you completely ignore them when it suits your purposes, so why bother?

We see the Kushan Mothership, that's it. We can safely assume that it is the Hiigaran Mothership for HW2. However, that is ALL we know. Anything else is pure speculation. Are the Kushan the Exiles of HW2? More than likely, yes, they are. Have I ever denied that? No. Does it make sense, given the evidence shown in Homeworld 1? No. This last point is where we seem to disagree the most. Please do try to stay on topic.

Hotfoot, you showed the "Flaws" in my posts and insulted me at the same time.

Where and how? Please provide a quote. Does showing the logical flaws in an argument equal insulting the poster who made them? I certainly did not call you a "fucking idiot", or a "fucking dumbass". If anything, I mocked your argument, because it's ridiculous, and I showed why and how it was so.

So go on, show me, where did I insult you?

Hotfoot · Post by **Hotfoot** » 2003-04-21 04:50pm

*sprays a fire extinguisher on the thread*

Okay, it's all cool now. Must remember my Jedi Training. I am supposed to be a Jedi Master. There is no anger, only the Force. There is no hatred, only the Force. There is no fire, except on my feet.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled thread. Please move along. Move along.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2003-04-21 05:19pm

Yeah, that was a little out of control.

Nothing to see here folks, move right along. Hotfoot and I are best buddies now.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2003-04-21 05:28pm

Alyeska wrote:Yeah, that was a little out of control.

Nothing to see here folks, move right along. Hotfoot and I are best buddies now.

Now you see why I got vexated at this flamewar being brought here. Despite such a simple subject, the flames get intense quickly..

FaxModem1 · Post by **FaxModem1** » 2003-04-23 12:08am

AAAHHH!

My thread exploded. and no one told me which style they prefered. Kushan or Taidan?(and it doesn't matter who is who, I just want to know who likes which style of spacecaft and why.)

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2003-04-23 12:13am

I prefer the Taiidan look. Their fighters are sleek and dangerous-looking, and their capital ships are totally badass. The Taiidani Assault Frigate and the Taiidani Heavy Cruiser are my two favortie ship designs. They just looks so dangerous!

Hotfoot · Post by **Hotfoot** » 2003-04-23 12:14am

FaxModem1 wrote:AAAHHH!

My thread exploded. and no one told me which style they prefered. Kushan or Taidan?(and it doesn't matter who is who, I just want to know who likes which style of spacecaft and why.)

I personally liked the Kushan. The Mothership was a pain when you wanted to get a larger fleet (due to the stupid capship door they had), but otherwise, the designs of the ships were very well done, sleek, and sensible. The corvettes particularly looked like tanks, which was very nice. The Taiidan ships looked too fragile to me, like a hard hit would break off a few pieces here and there.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2003-04-23 12:16am

I prefer the Kushan Ion Cannon frigates, the Taidan Assault Frigates, the Kushan Carrier, the Taidan Missile Destroyer, the Kushan destroyer, and the Taidan Heavy Cruiser.

In other words I don't like one vastly more then the other, they both have high points.

Hotfoot · Post by **Hotfoot** » 2003-04-23 12:20am

Functionally, for online play, Taiidan tended to rule the field. Drone Frigates, sadly enough, were essentially worthless. Cloaked fighters were nice, but expensive and hard to justify the cost. Defense Fighters and Defense Field Frigates, however, are worth their collective weights in gold. A few D-fighters mixed into an attack wave could turn an even fight into a brutal smackdown.

Temjin · Post by **Temjin** » 2003-04-23 12:46am

FaxModem1 wrote:AAAHHH!

My thread exploded. and no one told me which style they prefered. Kushan or Taidan?(and it doesn't matter who is who, I just want to know who likes which style of spacecaft and why.)

Uh.... Sorry?

Anyway, as I've already said I prefer the Taiidan. I really like the look of their frigates and fighters (I love the look of their Intercepter and attack bomber).

But I do like the design of the Kushan corvettes.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2003-04-24 08:04pm

Rumor says that HW2 will not bother with fuel for Cataclysm. Furthermore Relic accepted Cataclysm but calls it minor compared to the events of the original.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2003-04-24 10:40pm

Alyeska wrote:Rumor says that HW2 will not bother with fuel for Cataclysm. Furthermore Relic accepted Cataclysm but calls it minor compared to the events of the original.

Rather obviously, considering the original crossed an entire galaxy and brought an entire race, when Cataclysm was a weekend of terror for one clan. That's 'minor'.

Hotfoot · Post by **Hotfoot** » 2003-04-24 11:31pm

SirNitram wrote:
Alyeska wrote:Rumor says that HW2 will not bother with fuel for Cataclysm. Furthermore Relic accepted Cataclysm but calls it minor compared to the events of the original.
Rather obviously, considering the original crossed an entire galaxy and brought an entire race, when Cataclysm was a weekend of terror for one clan. That's 'minor'.

I've not heard any such rumors, but I shall check some sources and see what I can find.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2003-04-25 12:36am

Hotfoot wrote:
SirNitram wrote:
Alyeska wrote:Rumor says that HW2 will not bother with fuel for Cataclysm. Furthermore Relic accepted Cataclysm but calls it minor compared to the events of the original.
Rather obviously, considering the original crossed an entire galaxy and brought an entire race, when Cataclysm was a weekend of terror for one clan. That's 'minor'.
I've not heard any such rumors, but I shall check some sources and see what I can find.

Check IGN.