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Darth Wong wrote:If you want to go for the "creep them out" angle, just grab your camera and start snapping pictures of them. Don't say a word; just take pictures. Walk around them and take pictures from all angles. And then say "thank you" and close the door. At this point, walk over to the front window and stand inside it, staring at them until they leave.

When they get to the end of your street, get in your car and drive along the road slowly, following them. Keep the radio on so you don't get too bored, and maybe bring a magazine or two. If they come up to your car, just put it in "park" and read your magazine and pretend not to notice them. When they finally go away, start following them again.

I would defy any JW not to get creeped out by this.
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Go out a nd buy a copy of The Satanic Bible by Anton LaVey (it is actually a good read). Every Sunday, make sure you have an alter set up (Naked chick optional - they've never read it, with LaVey on the shelf next to Harry Potter.

Answer the door in a black robe, invite them in, sit them down in full view of the alter and offer them a drink.
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Stormbringer wrote:Real simple. As soon as you open the door begin handing them pamphlets about the Great Lord Cthulhu and asking them to give you money. Once they bug out keeping following them and trying to hand them pamphlets; follow them as long as necessary.
damn, you totaly beat me to it.

answer in a robe and stumble at them in a trance...

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Get this...they came back again! This time, I was ready for them. :D When they knocked on the door, I jumped out from behind the house and hosed them down from head to toe with ice cold water. :P (using the high pressure nozzle of course) The look on their faces was priceless! :D
Darth Wong wrote:If you want to go for the "creep them out" angle, just grab your camera and start snapping pictures of them. Don't say a word; just take pictures. Walk around them and take pictures from all angles. And then say "thank you" and close the door. At this point, walk over to the front window and stand inside it, staring at them until they leave.

When they get to the end of your street, get in your car and drive along the road slowly, following them. Keep the radio on so you don't get too bored, and maybe bring a magazine or two. If they come up to your car, just put it in "park" and read your magazine and pretend not to notice them. When they finally go away, start following them again.

I would defy any JW not to get creeped out by this.
Ooooh, evil! I'll try that next. :) *pats digital camera*

Hey...maybe I should post em on hot-or-not too. :P
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Darth Wong wrote:OK, on a more practical note, try contacting the police to find out whether it would be effective to put a sign on your door saying:

No Jehovah's Witnesses
Violators will be Charged with Trespassing
I was thinking more like
No Jehovah's Witnesses
Violators will be converted to Catholicism
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One could also get those contacts that make your irises white, when they ring the doorbell, open it and when the light hits you, hiss and run into the shadows.
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His Divine Shadow wrote:One could also get those contacts that make your irises white, when they ring the doorbell, open it and when the light hits you, hiss and run into the shadows.
I actually thought about doing that, but I don't feel like blowing $99 on a one-time prank. ;)

Though...I could pull out the old halogen flood lights and flip em on when they show up and have my stereo start playing heavy metal at max volume. :D (note: My stereo has 4 200W speakers...at setting 10 the walls start to rattle. It maxes out at 36. :mrgreen: )
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->Vertigo1 (and some of you others)
To me it sounds that it is you who have a problem and not the JW.
You have yourself created the situation by becoming 'a challenge', this is what they will receive the most reward for. You are exactly the profile that they 'love' to work against. You are making them into 'martyrs' and you are giving them justification for their belief system.
By acting like an ass you are actually encouraging them.

If you can't see that there is something wrong with showing them your shotgun then I'd just point out that you have just given them the moral high ground.
You are all acting like bullies in highschool trying to think of new ways to humiliate the 'nerds'.


OK. Back to the issue of handling JWs.
For people who doesn't have the skills or the knowledge for debating a christian on their own turf I would suggest a two stepper:
Talk to them like rational human beings. "There is no way I'm going to convert to your belief system. If you continue to come here then you are harrassing me and I will take legal action."
Then if they do come back, ask for their names and their congregation (remind them that it is a sin to lie and an even worse one to renounce their faith), then get a restraining order.
That is the easy way, the harder way would be to actually talk to them. That is much more rewarding and doesn't take more time than the boring sitcom you where going to watch anyway.
What I did personally was ask them to come back another day when I knew I had some time. Then I prepared a bit. When they came back I invited them in, and talked to them about their faith. Asking them goodnatured questions about their faith in relation to the JWs version.
If you have done your homework you should now be able to ask some questions questions that they will need help to answer. "I really like JCs message about love, but sometimes I don't understand him. If you have the faith to 'move mountains' then if you where hungry why would you curse the fig tree instead of making it bear fruit. Is there some type of symbology I'm missing?". "Can you go to heaven if you have been good all your life but haven't heard about JC?". "Why won't jews go to heaven?". This means that they will have to go to their 'priest' and talk faith with him, this is the first step towards curing them. Ask them nice and benovolent questions about issues where it seems that their own faith contradicts the dogma of JW. For me it took 5 (or was it 4?) visits before I got two new JWs at my door, when I asked why they had come and not the others they regretfully told me that the others had left the congregation. So I invited them in and talked faith with them as well... Another 6 visits later my doorbell ringed and there was a single JW saying a shy hello and informing me that regretfully that there would be no more visits from JW. When I asked him why, he said that he thought it better if I joined a different denomination and asked me not to contact the JWs any more.

I have later met 2 of the 4 former JWs in other situations and while still mainstream christians they are no longer JW and thought of their time in JW as a mistake. Both of them had good memories of our talks and one of them said that even though he didn't think it significant it was some of the answers to my questions that he got from his priest that made him start questioning the priests athority.

So why the long rant?
What you need to understand is that people have the belief system they have because they want to believe and the more you attack it straight on the more you will enforce their need to believe. If you do this you will push them further and further into the dogma. Instead if you talk to them about their own belief and ask them questions about their churches dogma, then you are giving them the tools to challenge the dogma and remove their need for someone elses dogma to be their motivation.

There is a huge difference between a biblical evengelist claiming that the bible is literally true, and someone who says that he believes in JC but believes the bible to be words of men and not to be taken to seriously.

(Oh, and for the thickheaded out there, no I'm not a christian).
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Dude, you're no fun. :P If they want to keep coming back to harass me, I'm more than willing to harass them in return. :D
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Vertigo1 wrote:Dude, you're no fun. :P If they want to keep coming back to harass me, I'm more than willing to harass them in return. :D
That is your prerogative.
I'm just pointing out the futility of complaining about them harassing you and then providing them with the motivation to continue doing this to you and others in your area.

And I totally agree with the 'no fun' bit. Because I take the topic seriously. JW is a cult which traumatize people for real, to me that is no laughing matter.
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Spoonist wrote:JW is a cult which traumatize people for real, to me that is no laughing matter.
Oh, come on! You've got to admit that it's at least kind of funny...I mean...hehe...they go...ehehe...aw, forget it. I guess you get it or you don't.
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I had some JW's come to the door once. I just told them I was catholic (which I am) and they left and I havent seen them since.
So that does work.
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