True Legends

Sektor31 · Post by **Sektor31** » 2003-04-22 10:12pm

Recently reading up on Celtic mythology, I just had an astounding idea.

What legends would you think could possibly be true? You know what they say, that most legends are based on fact.

PLEASE DON'T MENTION BIBLICAL LEGEND AS I DO NOT WANT THIS TO TURN INTO YET ANOTHER BIBLE DEBATE. MENTION IT AND I STAB YOU WITH AN ICICLE INFINITE TIMES!!!

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2003-04-22 10:29pm

Sektor31 wrote:Recently reading up on Celtic mythology, I just had an astounding idea.

What legends would you think could possibly be true? You know what they say, that most legends are based on fact.

PLEASE DON'T MENTION BIBLICAL LEGEND AS I DO NOT WANT THIS TO TURN INTO YET ANOTHER BIBLE DEBATE. MENTION IT AND I STAB YOU WITH AN ICICLE INFINITE TIMES!!!

All legends are true... For some value of true.

kojikun · Post by **kojikun** » 2003-04-22 10:33pm

"Truth" is relative, factuality is not.

Many things are considered "true" while not factual. But to stay on topic, I would say many legends have a factual basis, often involving real people doing something, which gets magnified.

For instance Aryan-Dravidian conflict in the distant past formed the basis for a God-Demon story of two whole religions, and a third religion, Zoroastrianism, formed from the foundations of the legend.

Wicked Pilot · Post by **Wicked Pilot** » 2003-04-22 10:50pm

The sacking of Troy happened, but minus all the gods and supermortals.

paladin · Post by **paladin** » 2003-04-22 10:58pm

Atlantis. I think the site is on the Greek island of Santorini.

Queeb Salaron · Post by **Queeb Salaron** » 2003-04-22 11:45pm

Didn't they find Troy a decade or two ago? That's a pretty cool legend.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-04-22 11:51pm

King Arthur is based on a real Roman leader; Ambrosius Aurelius, IIRC.

paladin · Post by **paladin** » 2003-04-23 12:13am

Queeb Salaron wrote:Didn't they find Troy a decade or two ago? That's a pretty cool legend.

Try in the 19th Century.

Queeb Salaron · Post by **Queeb Salaron** » 2003-04-23 12:36am

paladin wrote:
Queeb Salaron wrote:Didn't they find Troy a decade or two ago? That's a pretty cool legend.
Try in the 19th Century.

Oooh. My bad. ::Shrugs::

Johonebesus · Post by **Johonebesus** » 2003-04-23 03:59am

Durran Korr wrote:King Arthur is based on a real Roman leader; Ambrosius Aurelius, IIRC.

Ambrosius Aurelianus, or Aurelius, depending on the source, was well documented and known in his day. He was a post Roman king who probably only held sway in Southern Britain. He is remembered in Welsh by the name Emrys Wledig, and is quite distinct in the tradition from Arthur. Though the name indicates some connection to the Romano-British gentry, there is no indication that he was in any real way more Roman than Celtic. There is absolutely not one piece of evidence that any great leader named Arthur ever lived. If anything, he is a twisted memory of Northern princes form the Gaelic kingdoms, since Artuir is a native Irish name but has no Brythonic equivilent. There is no real Arthur.

If that seems far fetched, just remember that Roland, who was by A.D. 1200 remembered as the great hero of France, beloved nephew of Charles the Great, who fought of the entire Moorish army to save the Franks and their King, was in fact a minor captain without noble title whose band was ambushed and slaughtered by some starving Basque peasants while returning to Gaul, and whose death was barley noted at the time.

InnerBrat · Post by **InnerBrat** » 2003-04-23 04:39am

I always assumed Arthur was Saxon.
Oh well, goes to show how much I know

Post by **Gandalf** » 2003-04-23 09:13am

paladin wrote:Atlantis. I think the site is on the Greek island of Santorini.

Yes though at the time it went by the name of Thera, and the island didn't sink, it exploded, and covered a lot of the Earth in cloud, then what was left of it sank a bit.

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-04-23 09:21am

The legend of Bagger Vance is undoubtedly true.

Even though I would never watch such a boring POS film about FUCKING GOLF. I just thought I'd talk about some movie I'd never want to see.

That is all.

*wanders off*

Peregrin Toker · Post by **Peregrin Toker** » 2003-04-23 09:45am

innerbrat wrote:I always assumed Arthur was Saxon.
Oh well, goes to show how much I know

I thought it's common knowledge Arthur fought against the Saxons.

As for true legends, I have a feeling that the legend of Atlantis has some root in reality. It most probably refers to the Minoan culture on Crete, but deep inside I want to believe that a great civilization once existed upon a large island-continent in the Atlantic Sea - even though I know that literal interpretation of the Atlantean legend probably not is a good idea.

Post by **Gandalf** » 2003-04-23 10:06am

Here it is, the modern island of Santorini, formerly Thera, the big gap in the middle is evidence of a volcanic eruption years ago. That wiped out the Theran civilisation.
The story was picked up by the Egyptians, who then told it to Plato, from there we get Atlantis.

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2003-04-25 02:57pm

Don't get me started I am a big fan of Joseph Cambell and Karl Yung.

Rye · Post by **Rye** » 2003-04-25 03:50pm

Who was that warrior queen we had? Boudica or something....wasn't she real?

Peregrin Toker · Post by **Peregrin Toker** » 2003-04-25 03:55pm

Gandalf wrote:

Here it is, the modern island of Santorini, formerly Thera, the big gap in the middle is evidence of a volcanic eruption years ago. That wiped out the Theran civilisation.
The story was picked up by the Egyptians, who then told it to Plato, from there we get Atlantis.

Ancient Thera is basically the same culture as Minoan Crete.

DPDarkPrimus · Post by **DPDarkPrimus** » 2003-04-25 04:04pm

All the American 'Tall Tales' are based on actual people (or persons), whose feats have been exaggerated to rediculous proportions.

Crymsyn_Raevyn · Post by **Crymsyn_Raevyn** » 2003-04-25 04:17pm

Boudicca was real...

"Truth against the world"
her probably most famous quote.

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2003-04-25 04:52pm

Mabd was real too, although I do't know about Cu-Culain

Baron Mordo · Post by **Baron Mordo** » 2003-04-25 08:16pm

Robin Hood was real. Or at least the basis for him was. A druid that lived in the Sherwood area.

DPDarkPrimus · Post by **DPDarkPrimus** » 2003-04-25 08:59pm

And since I noticed that you were reading up on Celtic mythology... yes, William Wallace was real, and yes, he was eight feet tall and could shoot fireballs from his eyes.

paladin · Post by **paladin** » 2003-04-25 10:34pm

DPDarkPrimus wrote:And since I noticed that you were reading up on Celtic mythology... yes, William Wallace was real, and yes, he was eight feet tall and could shoot fireballs from his eyes.

You forgot that he could also shoot lightning out his arse!

Johonebesus · Post by **Johonebesus** » 2003-04-26 12:42am

Baron Mordo wrote:Robin Hood was real. Or at least the basis for him was. A druid that lived in the Sherwood area.

You are being sarcastic, aren't you?

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