Command and Conquer Cannon vs. Real Life Military.

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2002-09-03 11:06pm

Ok, by some temporal Fluke, Yuri is transported through time into OUR reality, circa the Fall of Communism.

Making a world wide Broadcast he threatens to unleash his Psychic Dominator.

The President has a chuckel and sends a sqaudron of BUFF's to blast Yuri and his terrorists off the map.

Yuri Island is loaded with his famous Gatling Turrents and psychic Towers.

The B52's are flying at max altitude, performing an "Archlight" profile attack, with conventional Cluster munitions, and smart "Bunker Buster" computer controled Munitions.

what is the end results

RayCav of ASVS · Post by **RayCav of ASVS** » 2002-09-03 11:19pm

I'm sorry Colin but this is difficult at best and at worst, simply stupid. It's like trying to examine the physics of the Road Runner cartoons using real life limitations.

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2002-09-03 11:35pm

Both cinematic and ingame ranges demonstrate that the B-52s are far out of range flying as high as they do.

Comrade Yuri · Post by **Comrade Yuri** » 2002-09-03 11:51pm

Foolish Westerners! You seriously underestimate the range of my glorious Gatling Cannon from such pitiful Captialist-made representations! My guns will rule the sky, and I will be invincible!

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2002-09-04 12:40am

At best those are 40mm cannon, far more likely 30mm. Even firing APFSDS rounds, they still couldn't hope to stop or even reach B-52's. It doesn’t help that they seem to fire less then 5000 RPM, based on how many cartridge cases were being ejected. The defenders would be better off with the original Soviet flak cannons, those might at least have the performance to reach the targets.

The B-52's could completely cover the island in CBU's, though wind might throw them off from that high. But an attack with JDAM's, would also totally destroy the island as well, so it doesn’t matter. If they attacked with JSOW's or AGM-142's, they defenses wouldn't stand a chance in hell.

Heck, the damned Harriers could have done it if they'd simply dive bombed or used Mavericks rather then attempted to repeat the most stupid of air attacks from [img]The%20Rock[/img].

NieA_7 · Post by **NieA_7** » 2002-09-04 01:28am

Do not underestimate the power of Yuri's Gattling guns !

The physics of Yuri's Revenge have been so warped, that, these turrets can hit bullets all the way up to the B-2's level.

they don't stand a chane, and besides: Yuri has a pshyic beacon, not radar, so he'll still detect them

Otherway, Yuri wins, thanks to warped physics.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2002-09-04 01:37am

NieA_7 wrote:Do not underestimate the power of Yuri's Gattling guns !

The physics of Yuri's Revenge have been so warped, that, these turrets can hit bullets all the way up to the B-2's level.

they don't stand a chane, and besides: Yuri has a pshyic beacon, not radar, so he'll still detect them

Otherway, Yuri wins, thanks to warped physics.

The warped Physics also happen to give the weapons impossibuly short ranges, ensuring victory for the bombers unless they attempt to come in ultra low and hit the colling towers with there trail guns.

BTW, did you miss the FIVE that happened to come in between the dash and the two?

NieA_7 · Post by **NieA_7** » 2002-09-04 01:48am

Sea Skimmer wrote:
NieA_7 wrote:Do not underestimate the power of Yuri's Gattling guns !

The physics of Yuri's Revenge have been so warped, that, these turrets can hit bullets all the way up to the B-2's level.

they don't stand a chane, and besides: Yuri has a pshyic beacon, not radar, so he'll still detect them

Otherway, Yuri wins, thanks to warped physics.
The warped Physics also happen to give the weapons impossibuly short ranges, ensuring victory for the bombers unless they attempt to come in ultra low and hit the colling towers with there trail guns.

BTW, did you miss the FIVE that happened to come in between the dash and the two?

Ooops. Spelling mistake. Yes, I did miss that.

Point taken, though, if Westwood was running the show here (just assuming, being the nonsensical people they are), the bombers are BOUND to do that.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2002-09-04 03:20am

NieA_7 wrote:
Sea Skimmer wrote:
NieA_7 wrote:Do not underestimate the power of Yuri's Gattling guns !

The physics of Yuri's Revenge have been so warped, that, these turrets can hit bullets all the way up to the B-2's level.

they don't stand a chane, and besides: Yuri has a pshyic beacon, not radar, so he'll still detect them

Otherway, Yuri wins, thanks to warped physics.
The warped Physics also happen to give the weapons impossibuly short ranges, ensuring victory for the bombers unless they attempt to come in ultra low and hit the colling towers with there trail guns.

BTW, did you miss the FIVE that happened to come in between the dash and the two?
Ooops. Spelling mistake. Yes, I did miss that.

Point taken, though, if Westwood was running the show here (just assuming, being the nonsensical people they are), the bombers are BOUND to do that.

Red Alert 2 was meant to be cheesy. If you look at the stuff from the Original Red alert, and even some of the original C&C stuff, you can tell they know how to make believable cut scenes.

Anyway, they'd likely have the B-52s attack with SRAM's, which would then be dropped like bombs, like those A-10 mavericks in the original C&C…

Kolinar Romanov · Post by **Kolinar Romanov** » 2002-09-04 12:29pm

Sea Skimmer wrote: Red Alert 2 was meant to be cheesy. If you look at the stuff from the Original Red alert, and even some of the original C&C stuff, you can tell they know how to make believable cut scenes.

That's the point: it depends on who is running the show.

If the impossible is allowed, as in the new Westwood, then, Yuri wins.

If it's completely Real World, like in the original Westwood games, then, the bombers win.

It's all up to how the show is to be run.

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2002-09-04 09:59pm

Actaully, the answer is that Except for a force shield Yuri has no defense against a B-52 attack, because in another C&C product the B-52 is a superweapon.

RayCav of ASVS · Post by **RayCav of ASVS** » 2002-09-04 10:01pm

Am I EVER GOING to hit it into your head that this whole thing is RETARDED?!?!?!

RadiO · Post by **RadiO** » 2002-09-05 07:12pm

Kolinar Romanov wrote: If it's completely Real World, like in the original Westwood games, then, the bombers win.

Completely Real World? Wha'? Like the artillery missile vehicles that drive up to the enemy and just shoot a rocket line-of-sight at 'em? Or the way a bunch of duffers with rifles can kill an MBT from any angle if they shoot it enough? Or the LST that looks like a stray Golden Graham? Or the late-model MiGs and Yak propellor fighters in service simultaniously? Or the way that Tanya can take 10 assault rifle hits and still limp back to base? Or the way that the enemy always knows immediately where your base is, but seemingly never vice-versa?

jegs2 · Post by **jegs2** » 2002-09-06 02:00pm

Gee, all that sounds really cool. I'd just tell the soldiers to go home, because we've activated the gigalauncher extraordinaire automatic aircraft elimination device (GEAAED). Watch out enemies, yer done fer!

Oh, and I'll be at home on my PlayStation in case none of that works.

Vendetta · Post by **Vendetta** » 2002-09-07 01:46pm

Err... B52 crews are the first victims of the Psychic Dominator, they turn around and bomb DC instead (remember, it's ingame application makes units switch sides)

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2002-09-07 02:07pm

Vendetta wrote:Err... B52 crews are the first victims of the Psychic Dominator, they turn around and bomb DC instead (remember, it's ingame application makes units switch sides)

Err... The air attack came before the Dominator could be activated, and damaged caused by a carshed Harrier knocked out its power supply before Yuri could do so.

Vendetta · Post by **Vendetta** » 2002-09-07 02:23pm

The events of the first cutscene have little weight in this argument save to show that Yuri's AA guns are fairly effective against low level raids. (besides which, they only knocked out ONE of the dominators, and only long enough to send one mission back with the Chronosphere, the rest of the world got taken over, remember)

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2002-09-07 02:31pm

Vendetta wrote:The events of the first cutscene have little weight in this argument save to show that Yuri's AA guns are fairly effective against low level raids. (besides which, they only knocked out ONE of the dominators, and only long enough to send one mission back with the Chronosphere, the rest of the world got taken over, remember)

It shows that there is sufficient time for an air strike to be mounted before the dominator is activated. And since the B-52s would easily flatten the whole Island, Yuri wont be able to just go capture another power station, he will need to rebuild the whole thing.

Until that can be done the B-52s are quite safe from the Dominators effects.

Vendetta · Post by **Vendetta** » 2002-09-07 02:40pm

But, on the ohter hand, the entire world, and the entire rest of all it's military forces, are now under Yuri's control (the plan, remember, is a network of dominators around the globe).

The odds are slightly in his favour.

RayCav of ASVS · Post by **RayCav of ASVS** » 2002-09-07 03:14pm

It would also seem as if the Roadrunner has good chances too, since he can easily outspeed B-52s, not to mention he can walk through walls, provided a tunnel is painted on them.

Evil Jerk · Post by **Evil Jerk** » 2002-09-07 04:02pm

As far as I recall, none of Yuri's evil psychic thingamagics including the Dominators can mind-control air units, so they'd be safe.

Kolinar Romanov · Post by **Kolinar Romanov** » 2002-09-08 01:24am

RadiO wrote:
Kolinar Romanov wrote: If it's completely Real World, like in the original Westwood games, then, the bombers win.
Completely Real World? Wha'? Like the artillery missile vehicles that drive up to the enemy and just shoot a rocket line-of-sight at 'em? Or the way a bunch of duffers with rifles can kill an MBT from any angle if they shoot it enough? Or the LST that looks like a stray Golden Graham? Or the late-model MiGs and Yak propellor fighters in service simultaniously? Or the way that Tanya can take 10 assault rifle hits and still limp back to base? Or the way that the enemy always knows immediately where your base is, but seemingly never vice-versa?

*alexeir romanov speaks*

Comrade, Red Alert 2 very much different from Real World, yes ?

Contradicted you did yourself, yes !

That's the point: RA 2 MUCH different from real World !

Kolinar Romanov · Post by **Kolinar Romanov** » 2002-09-08 01:25am

Evil Jerk wrote:As far as I recall, none of Yuri's evil psychic thingamagics including the Dominators can mind-control air units, so they'd be safe.

Yeah, but, even so: the ground units would've have already revertes.

INCLUDIN AA defences

(beat that!)

Kolinar Romanov · Post by **Kolinar Romanov** » 2002-09-08 01:26am

Vendetta wrote:But, on the ohter hand, the entire world, and the entire rest of all it's military forces, are now under Yuri's control (the plan, remember, is a network of dominators around the globe).

The odds are slightly in his favour.

You mucha right comrade !

Fire up chronosphere ! we musa change time, yes !

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2002-09-08 01:43am

At the start of the thread he only has one, anoygh to effect a section of the South Pacific. not the enitre world.

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