I just find it offensive that even without anything of the sort happening, there is already PRE-EMPTIVE sabre-rattling from all of the usual right-wingnuts in the States and nobody has a problem with that.
What exactly were Chertien's (sp?) words on the subject and does anyone have a link?
If he specifically said that Canada wouldn't turn over OBL, then the saber-rattling isn't pre-emptive, it's a reaction to his declared intent.
If he didn't specifically state that, then it's just more hot air from O'Reilly.
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Glocksman: I completely agree with you. I've been searching for a link regarding what Chretian said. It seems that Bill's site requires you to become a member before you can search his archives. Then a person can make a more informed opinion.
Emperor Chrostas the Crue: Before you get your panties in a knot, you probably should realize that a politician such as Chretian would undoubtedly change his mind or perhaps even regrets his comments.
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If trees could scream, would we be so cavalier about cutting them down? We might if they screamed all the time for no good reason.
It's a hell of a lot easier to say 'boycott Canada', when you're busy living the high life in Texas or Alabama or Florida.
States on the Canadian border near population zones, (I.E Michigan, New England, Washington) however, are much more economically dependant on international trade across the border. We DO have a close relationship between the two countries, and it'd be pointless to poison the waters when all we have to do is just wait for the next elections.
LMSx wrote:It's a hell of a lot easier to say 'boycott Canada', when you're busy living the high life in Texas or Alabama or Florida.
States on the Canadian border near population zones, (I.E Michigan, New England, Washington) however, are much more economically dependant on international trade across the border. We DO have a close relationship between the two countries, and it'd be pointless to poison the waters when all we have to do is just wait for the next elections.
True. I spent the first four years of my working life as an employee of a Tier 2 supplier to the Detroit automotive industry, on this side of the border. I didn't get glamour stuff like engines, but I got to work on the Ford Taurus tail/fascia assembly, the Lincoln Navigator headlamps, air intakes for Siemens (which was in turn supplying one of the Big Three), and lots of similar equipment. I did a bunch of stuff for GM too.
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"you guys are fascinated with the use of those "rules of logic" to the extent that you don't really want to discussus anything."- GC
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Darth Wong wrote:True. I spent the first four years of my working life as an employee of a Tier 2 supplier to the Detroit automotive industry, on this side of the border. I didn't get glamour stuff like engines, but I got to work on the Ford Taurus tail/fascia assembly, the Lincoln Navigator headlamps, air intakes for Siemens (which was in turn supplying one of the Big Three), and lots of similar equipment. I did a bunch of stuff for GM too.
Heh. You might have helped design my mom's car.
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one thing i noticed in Canada is that EVERYONE drives an American car....hell even American's aren't as loyal consumers of the American automakers. any boycott of Canada would be foolish. we're joined at the hip and we need to just get over the tirades of two bit polititians.
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Col. Crackpot wrote: Apparantly Cretien has stated that if the Canadian armed forces or police capture Saddam or Osama they will not turn either of them over to United States under any circumstances.
My understanding of this comment was that he was addressing the UN naval task force in the gulf, namely:
The task force in the Gulf (which includes U.S. ships) that a Canadian warship is commanding is part of the UN blockade of Iraq. He was emphasising the point that this task force is not part of the war-on-Iraq.
If that task force where to capture Saddam or Osama they wouldn't be automatically turned over to the U.S. by *default* because the task force is not under U.S. military command. Saddam and Osama would be held until such time as their fate is determined by some sort of proper process. In the case of Osama this would probably conclude with handing him to the U.S., and in the case of Saddam might conclude with something similar to that of Milosovic (international criminal court or something). I'm not even sure if Canada would be the one to hold Osama or Saddam during this time.
Col. Crackpot wrote:one thing i noticed in Canada is that EVERYONE drives an American car....hell even American's aren't as loyal consumers of the American automakers. any boycott of Canada would be foolish. we're joined at the hip and we need to just get over the tirades of two bit polititians.
I think it depends on where you go. Japanese cars are pretty common in my area. The most popular American cars are probably the sunfire/cavalier and ford ranger. But japanese cars like the civic, corolla, and sentra are prevalent. I'd probably say that Nissan is the most popular make (there are sentras and altimas everywhere) in my area. I drive an Accord myself.
Col. Crackpot wrote:one thing i noticed in Canada is that EVERYONE drives an American car....hell even American's aren't as loyal consumers of the American automakers. any boycott of Canada would be foolish. we're joined at the hip and we need to just get over the tirades of two bit polititians.
I think it depends on where you go. Japanese cars are pretty common in my area. The most popular American cars are probably the sunfire/cavalier and ford ranger. But japanese cars like the civic, corolla, and sentra are prevalent. I'd probably say that Nissan is the most popular make (there are sentras and altimas everywhere) in my area. I drive an Accord myself.
In southwestern Ontario where I lived for 4 years, foreign cars are extremely rare. It is definitely regional.
"It's not evil for God to do it. Or for someone to do it at God's command."- Jonathan Boyd on baby-killing
"you guys are fascinated with the use of those "rules of logic" to the extent that you don't really want to discussus anything."- GC
"I do not believe Russian Roulette is a stupid act" - Embracer of Darkness
"Viagra commercials appear to save lives" - tharkûn on US health care.
Ontario has major car plants, Ford, GM, Chrysler. Hell, the Ford plant in Oakville built most if not all of the Ford Winstars.
If the boycott included goods shipped by Canadian firms, one of the main links to the gulf from the North East would be lost as IC and WC are now both CN.
As well, most of the cross border trades are done by American firms to American firms, it'd be like shooting ones self in the foot.
Ted wrote:Ontario has major car plants, Ford, GM, Chrysler. Hell, the Ford plant in Oakville built most if not all of the Ford Winstars.
If the boycott included goods shipped by Canadian firms, one of the main links to the gulf from the North East would be lost as IC and WC are now both CN.
As well, most of the cross border trades are done by American firms to American firms, it'd be like shooting ones self in the foot.
Winsor (?) has a HUGE GM plant. Most of the GM cars on the dealerships around here have 'Manufacured in Ontario' on the window sticker (the trucks are made in Mexico). Also there is a breakdown of where the parts for the car were made. there are two options: US/Canadian Part Content and Foreign Part Content. They are expressed as a percentage. Seems that the auto manufacturers have lumped US and Canada together to make US consumers think they are buying a domestic product. Meanwhile Honda, Toyota and Nissan are building more and more cars in the US. So now you can buy an American car built in Canada or Mexico or a Japanese car built in America.
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Col. Crackpot wrote:I caught a couple of minutes of Bill O'Reilly on the radio at lunch and he was ranting on and on obout Jean Cretien. Apparantly Cretien has stated that if the Canadian armed forces or police capture Saddam or Osama they will not turn either of them over to United States under any circumstances. O'Reilly goes on to say that we could destroy the Canadian economy in a matter of weeks if we to boycott Canadian goods. He went on to complain about Cretien refusing to even offer moral support during the Iraq War, about him being vehemently Anti-Bush and just trying to discredit the Bush administration.
Now i just want to say for the record I do not like Cretien, and i think he is being a prick. Also i usually do support what O'Reilly has to say, However I don't see a good reason to cancel my honeymoon and boycott Molson. What do you think? have calls for boycotts gone to far? have they not gone far enough? Does not buying products from people or nations you don't agree with politically rise to the level of opressing ones free speech as many in hollywood and elsewhere claim?
I finally read the original post in this thread. One blowhard is trying to start a verbal slapfight with another. Nice.
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I'd only boycott Canada if they did something REALLY STUPID with Osama. So long as the punishment is terrible (and ANYTHING less than solitary for life without parole is NOT enough) Canada's welcome to his sorry ass. So long as Canada garuntees his detention and punishment, a boycott is extremely stupid (of course I'm biased in that if we shut down trade to the east the entire area's economy is screwed six ways to sunday).
Frankly though there are only three places OBL will end up: In the US, in the Hague, or in some Islamic state. No country in their right mind would want him incarcerated in their borders. It is just begging for some Islamic terrorist to blow up planes full of your nationals in exchange for his freedom. I'm still hoping he dies in some unremarkable fashion, like say drowning in his own vomit.
I would hold it against my friends across the lake that they elected someone like Chretian, except three names come to mind:
George Bush
Al Gore
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Wicked Pilot wrote:Just send OBL to Quebec, that's all the punishment he deserves.
You think he`ll bunished in Quebec,there are many Anti-American Quebec separatists who would reward the fucker.
Montcalm, are we living in the same province? Because the way you talk about separatists, someone could think they're a baby-murdering bunch of perverts or something...
And can I ask where you got the idea that 'Québec nationalist equals anti-American'?
On the topic, what's soo bad about OBL being raped in one our prisons for life instead of a quick death in the U.S.?
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