Why do you hate fundies so much? They're harmless, right?

[MKSheppard]

Dang... remind me never to piss you off to badly...

True story: I waited and let a bastard threaten me with a hammer
when I had no weapons, and I waited to get my revenge when
the tables were reversed and I was the armed one and he was the
unarmed one

[Hotfoot]

That's what Mister Baseball Bat is for If they're gonna use cleats
to your face, kneecap them with some Louisville wood.

Haven't been in very many brawls, have you? How long before the gang takes the bat away from you and uses it on you themselves? You're only one person, at most you can keep back maybe two people with a baseball bat, and even then there's the chance you'll get flanked and overpowered. On the off chance you should do any permenant damage to someone, like shattering their kneecaps, you can only expect the beatings to get worse. The school's not going to do shit to stop them good christian kids "dealin' with" that damned dirty god-hating atheist, either. Hell, they practically encouraged it.

Your advice would have likely gotten her killed in this situation, or turned her into a killer. In Texas, of course, that's likely going to be the Death Penalty. Either way, if she had done as you said, she'd probably be dead by now.

EDIT: And what fool would take on all 3 of them at once? Let them get their shits and giggles in on you, and then when they're all alone, take them out one by one...fighting fair is for idiots. He who laughs last wins in the end

Thing is, it wasn't just three kids. Maybe three at a time, but it was much more than that in reality. Unless you plan on maiming half the grade all at once, they will just figure it out and make the beatings worse. You seem to think that it was just a handful of kids at the core of this. Think closer to 30 to 40 kids. Fine, you beat up three while they were alone. Tomorrow, six of their friends come by and beat you up even worse than before. Even if you beat up all six by yourself, the next day twelve come along. These are odds you simply can't fight, and every time you fight back, the punishment is progressively worse.

[Slartibartfast]

Well, it would have been easy to deal with them without fighting: buy one of those fake blood capsules, and when they stop beating you, dramatically fall to the floor, and lay there immobile while a pool of blood forms in the floor. Maybe have a few convulsions...

Not what I'd do, but it would do something.

[MKSheppard]

Haven't been in very many brawls, have you? How long before the gang takes the bat away from you and uses it on you themselves? You're only one person, at most you can keep back maybe two people with a baseball bat, and even then there's the chance you'll get flanked and overpowered.

And people can magically shrug off a baseball bat hit to their arms, legs, or
head.

[Hotfoot]

Well, it would have been easy to deal with them without fighting: buy one of those fake blood capsules, and when they stop beating you, dramatically fall to the floor, and lay there immobile while a pool of blood forms in the floor. Maybe have a few convulsions...

Not what I'd do, but it would do something.

Not really. They'd kick you a few more times to see if you were faking, at the very least. Since it's pretty fucking obvious that they did draw blood at some point, they'd be able to tell the difference between the fake stuff and the real thing. What would it solve? Make them think they'd gone too far? If you're still alive, you're still fair game. It would be wasted effort.

[Lagmonster]

Haven't been in very many brawls, have you? How long before the gang takes the bat away from you and uses it on you themselves? You're only one person, at most you can keep back maybe two people with a baseball bat, and even then there's the chance you'll get flanked and overpowered.

And people can magically shrug off a baseball bat hit to their arms, legs, or
head.

Not to donate fuel to your opponents, but a drunk guy swung a piece of wood at me once. Even at speed, it's easy to put a hand up and stop it, wince for a moment, then grab the thing and yank them off balance. A bat is a piss-poor weapon against larger or determined foes.

Even against a quick or strong foe, a guy swinging a bat is easy to grapple and tackle, since he's not balanced to defend against that, and once you're inside the curve of the swing, there's almost no impact to speak of.

[Hamel]

I've been surrounded and nearly torn asunder by shit-slinging chimps before, but not at such an extreme level

Lawsuit, lawsuit, and lawsuit some more~ money talks even harder than the fist

edit: Though if the lawyer is a fundie chimp, you're in a tight spot

[Slartibartfast]

Well, it would have been easy to deal with them without fighting: buy one of those fake blood capsules, and when they stop beating you, dramatically fall to the floor, and lay there immobile while a pool of blood forms in the floor. Maybe have a few convulsions...

Not what I'd do, but it would do something.

Not really. They'd kick you a few more times to see if you were faking, at the very least. Since it's pretty fucking obvious that they did draw blood at some point, they'd be able to tell the difference between the fake stuff and the real thing. What would it solve? Make them think they'd gone too far? If you're still alive, you're still fair game. It would be wasted effort.

No, because you then call the police and accuse them of murder. So there!

[Hotfoot]

And people can magically shrug off a baseball bat hit to their arms, legs, or
head.

When that bat is weilded by a grade schooler, yes. Maybe not by a full-grown teenager, but then this didn't start when she was in high school.

You still don't seem to grasp the concept that this wasn't just a small group of bullies, it was a large portion of her classmates. You certainly don't seem to grasp that even if she won a fight, the next day they'd just be back with reinforcements. After a certain point, a baseball bat will not help you. Hell, they might bring baseball bats with them the next time themselves, and then what are you going to do? Bring in a gun and recreate Columbine?

[Hotfoot]

Exactly. Some may claim to be reighteous Christians, spreading their version of the Word. This person also apparently missed the part about peace and non-violence to others. Heck, the Bible doesn't tell of Jesus going about beating up sinners, it tells of Him going about teaching others about God in a non-violent manner.

Some people anger me.

Of course, some people also anger me when they take the actions of a few and apply those to everyone, in this case, the actions of a few outrageous extreemists who were lookign for a way to beat up the kid, and applying that to all Christians, or, more specifically, Southern Baptists. I know plenty of Southern Baptists who would never THINK of doing this.

So quit it with the wide stereotypes, people, as it makes you as bad as the worst extreemists.

Please do note that I'm talking about fundies here. The fundies shown here happened to be Southern Baptists. There are lots of flavors of fundamentalists, but in the end, they are all very much the same. That's what makes them fundies.

[Hotfoot]

I've been surrounded and nearly torn asunder by shit-slinging chimps before, but not at such an extreme level

Lawsuit, lawsuit, and lawsuit some more~ money talks even harder than the fist

edit: Though if the lawyer is a fundie chimp, you're in a tight spot

Would have been the best option. Sadly, the parents were either oblivious or blindly refusing to see the truth, and thus wouldn't bring it to court. What's a child to do in a situation like that? Talk to the school counselor? Well, that's right out. Talk to the police? If the parents won't press charges, what can they do?

[Yogi]

Edit:I shouldn't have brought other boards into this.

[Hotfoot]

I posted this in another forum I visit off an on, and like clockwork Lani responds.

Had it coming...blecch. Like such a thing should be acceptable or expected. Bah...

[Hamel]

I posted this in another forum I visit off an on, and like clockwork Lani responds.

Whoa, people from shadowsofnamek are posting there.

I don't recall seeing a Lani at shadowsofnamek, but knowing some of those people, fruitcake responses such as that are to be expected

[Raptor 597]

It saddened me but onl fuels the fire. But me fighting in her spot? Well my parents own or had tasers and guns handed down. I debate in real life as a liberial Christian and they have yet to insult me because they are mostly scared. This is why the fight on all fronts must continue.

[MKSheppard]

You still don't seem to grasp the concept that this wasn't just a small group of bullies, it was a large portion of her classmates. You certainly don't seem to grasp that even if she won a fight, the next day they'd just be back with reinforcements.

You didn't go to an American school didn't you?

There is a definite pecking order in every school, and the Bullies follow
the pattern of easy pickings. They want to kick the shit out of someone
for minimal harm in return.

Believe me, I know this. I spent most of Middle School somewhere in
the in-school suspension system

[Hamel]

You still don't seem to grasp the concept that this wasn't just a small group of bullies, it was a large portion of her classmates. You certainly don't seem to grasp that even if she won a fight, the next day they'd just be back with reinforcements.

You didn't go to an American school didn't you?

There is a definite pecking order in every school, and the Bullies follow
the pattern of easy pickings. They want to kick the shit out of someone
for minimal harm in return.

Believe me, I know this. I spent most of Middle School somewhere in
the in-school suspension system

I'm also a veteran of the american public school, and I can tell you that bullies are relentless and, once humiliated, will plot and execute plans to bring you down in flames~ especially the popular bullies that have friends they fall back on to convince them that they are the best in the universe, and everyone below them are "gay faggots"

[Hotfoot]

You didn't go to an American school didn't you?

Yes I did. What's your point?

There is a definite pecking order in every school, and the Bullies follow
the pattern of easy pickings. They want to kick the shit out of someone
for minimal harm in return.

This goes somewhat beyond your average bullying, Shep. It adds a very unhealthy dose of bigotry and fundamentalism to the mix. Answer me this, if a black kid got bullied in the deep south during 1930's - 1950's, and he decided to fight back as you've suggested, how long do you think it would take until the kid was either in prison or dead?

Believe me, I know this. I spent most of Middle School somewhere in
the in-school suspension system

I wasn't exactly a pacifist myself in Elementary or Middle School either, Shep. You seriously don't seem to appreciate the resolve some people have for getting revenge. It's not just about bullying at that point, it's about getting even. I've had kids gang up on me in sixth grade for something I did in third or fourth grade to maybe just one kid. See, these kids thought they were justified in their beatings of that "damned dirty atheist". When she fights back, in their minds, she has wronged them, and now they want revenge. Their cause is just, in their minds, not just petty bullying.

[Queeb Salaron]

And people can magically shrug off a baseball bat hit to their arms, legs, or
head.

Trust me on this one, fucknut. After you've been fighting for long enough, anything short of a lead pipe or a .5"-gauge chain doesn't really do much.

Baseball bats are made from wood. Wood breaks. Period. A good shot to the head will always hurt, but after 6 or so years of twice-a-day knuckle-banging a la Fightclub meets Thunderdome, baseball bats are as effective as hockey sticks.

[MKSheppard]

Trust me on this one, fucknut. After you've been fighting for long enough, anything short of a lead pipe or a .5"-gauge chain doesn't really do much.

Now you're going to claim that your bones are super-strong unbreakable materials.

Real life isn't where you magically shrug off hits. Real life FUCKING HURTS.

Baseball bats are made from wood. Wood breaks. Period.

*takes look at Aluminum baseball bat in his closet*

[Illuminatus Primus]

Part of me almost wishes I could be in his position so I could kill them.

When they gang up on you like that is when you start to shatter tracheas.

Her position, actually.

Just keeps getting better, doesn't it?

You shit me.

Guys in H.S. beat and sexually harrassed a little girl?

Where's the rifle...

[Hotfoot]

You shit me.

Guys in H.S. beat and sexually harrassed a little girl?

Where's the rifle...

It started when she was in grade school, and continued until High School. Once she was in High School, the sexual harassment started.

Oh, and Shep, what happens when your bullies have aluminium baseball bats of their own, and you're still outnumbered by at least three to one?

[Illuminatus Primus]

As I said in my post, 'real or not'. In other words, I could accept this kind of violence being performed on people because of religion, especially in the American South, but nowadays if even a gay guy gets mobbed and beaten *once* it tends to get national media attention. Cumulative beatings of this nature I'd expect we'd notice in the form of lawsuits or whathaveyou. One call to the ACLU or otherwise and the whole school would be in the crapper.

She's not a kid now.

And you'd be suprised how bad the double-standing fuckery of the mass-media is.

[Illuminatus Primus]

You shit me.

Guys in H.S. beat and sexually harrassed a little girl?

Where's the rifle...

It started when she was in grade school, and continued until High School. Once she was in High School, the sexual harassment started.

I realize.

How could sixteen and seventeen year old guys beat and sexually harrass a girl because she was an atheist. Disgusting.

[Illuminatus Primus]

So quit it with the wide stereotypes, people, as it makes you as bad as the worst extreemists.

The dogma and moral policy of the Southern Baptist church is anti-atheist to such a horrific degree it certainly helps things like this happen.