Political Leanings?

Raptor 597 · Post by **Raptor 597** » 2003-04-22 08:09pm

Indepedent, it varies. And besides I've set out to distance myself from an polarized standard.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2003-04-22 08:57pm

RedImperator wrote:I suppose I'd fall under right, but I'm not a very good "right winger" if I'm in favor of gay marriage, drug legalization, strict separation of church and state, and legal abortion up to the point conscious brain activity is detectable in the fetus. But I'm a lousy liberal, because I support strict color-blindness in regards to race both personally and officially with no regards given to "past injustice", minimal government, lassez-faire economic policy, and realpolitik foreign policy. I'm a living illustration of how strict left-right divisions aren't necessarily accurate.

I am pretty much this, but a little more left in the economics. I think certain things like utilities should be socialized.

So I am left.

Aeolus · Post by **Aeolus** » 2003-04-23 12:30am

More Minarchist than libertarian. Smallest goverment feasible, Free market, decriminalisation of "victim-less" crimes

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2003-04-23 12:39am

Darth Pounder wrote:The certain menbers where also members of the Ulster Volunteer Force and threatened to have me shot in the knee.

Geez, I'd have bashed their knees in with a piece of rebar for that remark.

I'm Right, BTW

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-04-23 12:40am

I'm on the right, but the degree is highly dependent on the issue

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-04-23 12:42am

Aeolus wrote:More Minarchist than libertarian. Smallest goverment feasible, Free market, decriminalisation of "victim-less" crimes

Minarchism is libertarianism. Libertarianism is not anarchism.

PrinceofLowLight · Post by **PrinceofLowLight** » 2003-04-23 12:56am

Mostly libertarian, but if I have to go by the two-party system, I'll go for the liberal. I find the freedoms they want to take away marginally less unpleasant than the ones conservatives want to take away.

Knife · Post by **Knife** » 2003-04-23 02:10am

From the choices available, I am moderate right. Basicly I am fiscally conservitive and socialy liberal in the classic sence. The Goverment should spend as little cash as possible and people should be able to do what ever the fuck they want to do in their own house. I am registered as an independent because the far right wing fudies scare the shit out of me almost more than the far left eco/commie fucks.

Aeolus · Post by **Aeolus** » 2003-04-23 05:10am

Durran Korr wrote:
Aeolus wrote:More Minarchist than libertarian. Smallest goverment feasible, Free market, decriminalisation of "victim-less" crimes
Minarchism is libertarianism. Libertarianism is not anarchism.

In theory...In practice most of the all out libertarians I have met are either anarchists or in the"black helo conspiracy crowd" So I prefer to be more specific by calling myself a minarchist

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2003-04-23 04:48pm

MKSheppard wrote:
Darth Pounder wrote:The certain menbers where also members of the Ulster Volunteer Force and threatened to have me shot in the knee.
Geez, I'd have bashed their knees in with a piece of rebar for that remark.

I'm Right, BTW

Too easy to go to their level. I just laughed at them and informed them that i'd been threatened by professionals before and a bunch of tooled up druggies didn't worry me. If they really had permission to do anything i'd never have seen ti coming and they sure wouldn't have warned me.

Queeb Salaron · Post by **Queeb Salaron** » 2003-04-23 05:46pm

Confession: I've moved from far-right to just right since being on this board.

I'm sure some of you have noticed the change.

Iceberg · Post by **Iceberg** » 2003-04-23 07:26pm

There should be options here for "eclectic - right-leaning," "eclectic - centrist" and "eclectic - left-leaning."

Pu-239 · Post by **Pu-239** » 2003-04-23 07:59pm

Support legal abortion until detectable brain activity, strict seperation of church and state, gay marriage, and seperation of business and state. Too many politicians are tainted with campaign money. I object to the patriot act. For financial stuff I don't know, since I don't have a job yet, though I'm leaning right for that and only that. However people in Northern VA turned down a proposal to hike sales taxes to pay for repairing transportation system, which I feel is stupid.

On Copyrights, DRM, etc, I don't know, since both sides are pretty split- IE Fritz Hollings is a democrat and wants to force it down our throats, while Leahy, another democrat opposes it. Same for the republicans, though the Bush administration is way too chummy with those businesses. I don't actually copy or pirate anything, I just don't want the ability to do other things to be mangled in the process- DRM these days is extremely inconvenient- example the cases of Macs getting fucked up from DRM CDs.

Ralnia · Post by **Ralnia** » 2003-04-24 12:21am

I'm the first "far left" - I'm suprised. This seems to be sentence fragment land, so I'll keep with the pattern.

Support abortion, strict seperation of church and state, gay marriage, and abolition of business. Almost all politicians are completely corrupted with campaign money. I object to the so-called "Patriot Act". Leaning toward limited Communism - definitely minus the anti-democracy part in the USSR. Against income tax alone, and against sales tax alone, in favor of sales taxes based on income. Transportation - Ban private ownership cars, use the money saved to fund lots of mass transit, bikes, and Flexcars if nescessary. Anti-copyright. The Bush regime isn't an "administration," since that implies legitimacy. I also don't copy or pirate anything, since I happen to hate music. Anti-war.

Political Compass: -7.xx libertarian, -9.xx economic left.

Nathan F · Post by **Nathan F** » 2003-04-24 12:40am

Ralnia wrote:I'm the first "far left" - I'm suprised. This seems to be sentence fragment land, so I'll keep with the pattern.

Support abortion, strict seperation of church and state, gay marriage, and abolition of business. Almost all politicians are completely corrupted with campaign money. I object to the so-called "Patriot Act". Leaning toward limited Communism - definitely minus the anti-democracy part in the USSR. Against income tax alone, and against sales tax alone, in favor of sales taxes based on income. Transportation - Ban private ownership cars, use the money saved to fund lots of mass transit, bikes, and Flexcars if nescessary. Anti-copyright. The Bush regime isn't an "administration," since that implies legitimacy. I also don't copy or pirate anything, since I happen to hate music. Anti-war.

Political Compass: -7.xx libertarian, -9.xx economic left.

Damn, didn't know it was humanly possibly for someone to be so far left...

Nathan F · Post by **Nathan F** » 2003-04-24 12:41am

Nathan F wrote:
Ralnia wrote:I'm the first "far left" - I'm suprised. This seems to be sentence fragment land, so I'll keep with the pattern.

Support abortion, strict seperation of church and state, gay marriage, and abolition of business. Almost all politicians are completely corrupted with campaign money. I object to the so-called "Patriot Act". Leaning toward limited Communism - definitely minus the anti-democracy part in the USSR. Against income tax alone, and against sales tax alone, in favor of sales taxes based on income. Transportation - Ban private ownership cars, use the money saved to fund lots of mass transit, bikes, and Flexcars if nescessary. Anti-copyright. The Bush regime isn't an "administration," since that implies legitimacy. I also don't copy or pirate anything, since I happen to hate music. Anti-war.

Political Compass: -7.xx libertarian, -9.xx economic left.
Damn, didn't know it was humanly possibly for someone to be so far left...

That was supposed to be a poke at the commie-n00b.

:p

Frank_Scenario · Post by **Frank_Scenario** » 2003-04-24 08:26am

Ralnia wrote:I'm the first "far left" - I'm suprised. This seems to be sentence fragment land, so I'll keep with the pattern.

Support abortion, strict seperation of church and state, gay marriage, and abolition of business. Almost all politicians are completely corrupted with campaign money. I object to the so-called "Patriot Act". Leaning toward limited Communism - definitely minus the anti-democracy part in the USSR. Against income tax alone, and against sales tax alone, in favor of sales taxes based on income. Transportation - Ban private ownership cars, use the money saved to fund lots of mass transit, bikes, and Flexcars if nescessary. Anti-copyright. The Bush regime isn't an "administration," since that implies legitimacy. I also don't copy or pirate anything, since I happen to hate music. Anti-war.

Political Compass: -7.xx libertarian, -9.xx economic left.

I'm far left #2, although I'm not in the same camp as my colleague. I'm one of those people who thinks that the government has moral obligations to provide a just and good society (more-or-less in Rawlsian terminology), so just apply his veil of ignorance/difference principle ideas to determine where I stand on most issues.

phongn · Post by **phongn** » 2003-04-24 02:25pm

Hrm, I was expecting to see a classical bell curve, but it seems there aren't too many 'moderates' here.

Nathan F · Post by **Nathan F** » 2003-04-24 02:26pm

Kinda odd. Starting off, the Moderate to Right had the higher votes, now, the Moderate to Left has higher votes.

phongn · Post by **phongn** » 2003-04-24 02:31pm

Ralnia wrote:Against income tax alone, and against sales tax alone, in favor of sales taxes based on income.

How are you going to calculate this? Are you going to mandate that every citizen keeps their reciepts for a purchase - no matter how trivial - so that by the end of the year they can calculate how much they own the government? Or are you going to run under a base assumption for what a person should owe, and then refund/collect as neccessary come 15 April?

phongn · Post by **phongn** » 2003-04-24 02:33pm

Nathan F wrote:That was supposed to be a poke at the commie-n00b.

:p

Well, theoretically communist, since actual governments were authoriarian rather than libertarian

Nathan F · Post by **Nathan F** » 2003-04-24 02:33pm

phongn wrote:
Ralnia wrote:Against income tax alone, and against sales tax alone, in favor of sales taxes based on income.
How are you going to calculate this? Are you going to mandate that every citizen keeps their reciepts for a purchase - no matter how trivial - so that by the end of the year they can calculate how much they own the government? Or are you going to run under a base assumption for what a person should owe, and then refund/collect as neccessary come 15 April?

Hate to say it, but after reading the rest of that, do you actually think that alot of thought was put into his/her post?

phongn · Post by **phongn** » 2003-04-24 02:35pm

Nathan F wrote:Hate to say it, but after reading the rest of that, do you actually think that alot of thought was put into his/her post?

I did not particularly feel like critiquing 3/4s of her post.

Crayz9000 · Post by **Crayz9000** » 2003-04-24 03:38pm

phongn wrote:Hrm, I was expecting to see a classical bell curve, but it seems there aren't too many 'moderates' here.

Well, I consider myself just a plain old Moderate. I'm not far enough off the centerline to be moderate left.

Ralnia · Post by **Ralnia** » 2003-04-25 12:43am

Or are you going to run under a base assumption for what a person should owe...

That sound a lot like the Cabelle - no.

Are you going to mandate that every citizen keeps their reciepts for a purchase - no matter how trivial - so that by the end of the year they can calculate how much they own the government?

I said I was leaning toward libertarian, not authoritarian.

"...How would you calculate it..."

1.When buying the stuff, pay the sales tax rate for the highest income level.
2. When tax time rolls around, people can turn in their reciepts for anything they want a refund for. For most things, a difference of a few percent (between the highest and median levels of sales tax) would only be a few cents, so the people only need to keep the reciepts for the expensive items.
3. It's not hard to figure out income, so we can give appropriate refunds for the sales tax.

do you actually think that alot of thought was put into his post?

No, but enough for a fun debate on it.