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Stravo wrote:Isn't it equally vindictive to go to a foreign nation and attack a president near a time of war?
In a time of war, you're not allowed to speak?
I don't see the backlash from their fanbase as vindictive.
Of course it's vindictive. If it wasn't, they would just be flaming them, as they flamed Bush. Instead, they want to try to HURT them somehow, hence the boycott.
I'm sure there are SW fans that pretend the SE doesn't exist because Greedo shot first thus do not buy and will not buy the SE DVDs or Videos.
And everyone knows they're overreacting.
Do we call that being vindictive or making a clear choice on how to spend your hard earned money?
People who call for boycotts do it in order to punish the boycotted party. Do not play word games.
In other words we have absolutely no need to support someone that has a view opposed to us monetarily and by doing so you are exercising your own free speech choice and not being vindictive.
You are exercising your right to be vindictive. It doesn't change the fact that you ARE being vindictive.
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So the Selma Bus Boycott was the black community being Vindictive or were they exercising their free speech in order to be heard? Why can the Dixie chicks say what they want and NOT expect their fanbase to react or are they supposed to keep buying the CDs like mindless sheep?
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Stravo wrote:So the Selma Bus Boycott was the black community being Vindictive or were they exercising their free speech in order to be heard? Why can the Dixie chicks say what they want and NOT expect their fanbase to react or are they supposed to keep buying the CDs like mindless sheep?
Insulting George Bush is such a heinous moral crime that it merits that comparison now? :roll:
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Darth Wong wrote:
Stravo wrote:So the Selma Bus Boycott was the black community being Vindictive or were they exercising their free speech in order to be heard? Why can the Dixie chicks say what they want and NOT expect their fanbase to react or are they supposed to keep buying the CDs like mindless sheep?
Insulting George Bush is such a heinous moral crime that it merits that comparison now? :roll:
No, but calling the boycott nothing more than overreacting and vindictive. Boycotts have been used in the past as a way of expressing displeasure against someone or their views. They made an unpopular stand and now they have to take the heat for what they said. how else do outraged fans express themselves in any way that matters? Same as blacks in Selma. They had no voice other than an economic one yet no one goes calling them Vindictive or over reacting. Same as a boycott against goods from Chile when Pinoche was a dictator. These are forms of expression.
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Darth Wong wrote: Insulting George Bush is such a heinous moral crime that it merits that comparison now? :roll:
The Dixie Chicks are pretty lucky they're only facing a comsumer basklash. If they pull that stunt around WWI, WWII, the Korean War, and etc, where they would have face sedition charges.

Their fanbase hates them for their cowardice for saying what they did overseas. If they did in the U.S., then people still would have respected them for having the balls to say it and facing the immediate backlash from it.
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Stravo wrote:These are forms of expression.
Expressions of vindictiveness, in which you compare numerous acts of vastly different moral import, yet recommend the same level of response for all.
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Darth Wong wrote:
Stravo wrote:These are forms of expression.
Expressions of vindictiveness, in which you compare numerous acts of vastly different moral import, yet recommend the same level of response for all.
Expressions of outrage. They're not happy about what was said. How else do fans express themselves if NOT by buying the products?
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Stravo, seeing as you do not understand what vindictive means, I provide you with a definition:

vindictive [vın'dıktıv]
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1 disposed to seek vengeance

2 characterized by spite or rancour

3 (English law) (of damages) in excess of the compensation due to the plaintiff and imposed in punishment of the defendant
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Stravo wrote:Expressions of outrage. They're not happy about what was said. How else do fans express themselves if NOT by buying the products?
So they are morally OUTRAGED because the Dixie Chicks insulted George Bush? That says everything that anyone needs to know about the state of American politics.
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Question, Mike, when is a boycott justified in your opinion?

Can a person hold ANY opinion and any boycott still be justified? If not could you give me an example of the least extreme opinion you can think of that justifies boycott?
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Ted wrote:Stravo, seeing as you do not understand what vindictive means, I provide you with a definition:

vindictive [vın'dıktıv]
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1 disposed to seek vengeance

2 characterized by spite or rancour

3 (English law) (of damages) in excess of the compensation due to the plaintiff and imposed in punishment of the defendant
You know what bitch boy considering how many times you've been out right fucking WRONG I would keep the fuck out of this debate. Still think the US is part of OPEC asshole?
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In the end, it's the effect that matters. People in positions of influence need to watch what they say, in contrast to the people here, who for the most part has no influence at all, and can be readily ignored at all and thus can say practically anything they want.

People like the Dixie Chicks, Trent Lott, etc, are all in visible positions. It's as simple as that, right or wrong, there are consequences for being visible under the wrong circumstances. It's the Dixie Chicks own fault for not realizing who their core supporters are, and pissing on them. But it certainly won't hurt the money they've already banked away, so in the end, while it hurts a little, it probably doesn't amount to all that much.

There isn't anything wrong with the people boycotting something, whether it be out of principle , vindictiveness, or something else. That's the bitch of being in a democracy.
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No end of hate for the Dixie Chicks, eh? What's the big deal about badmouthing Shrubby anyway? Millions of Americans do it, and it doesn't make them traitors
I'm pissed off at them. They said what they believed. Good. Fine. But then as soon as it bit them in the ass, they spun around and begged forgiveness. And then, when they had begun to recover, they stuck out their tongues again. Great firm morale fiber there.
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I believe the boycott was mostly overreaction, but I've noticed it's a double standard as well. Several other bands have sone similar stunts onstage, and I don't see their records being burned.
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Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi wrote:I believe the boycott was mostly overreaction, but I've noticed it's a double standard as well. Several other bands have sone similar stunts onstage, and I don't see their records being burned.
Those bands don't have the same audience as the Dixie Chicks. They don't stand to risk alienating them by speaking out against Bush and the war.
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0.1 wrote:People like the Dixie Chicks, Trent Lott, etc, are all in visible positions. It's as simple as that, right or wrong, there are consequences for being visible under the wrong circumstances.
Trent Lott said he wished a racial segregationist ticket had won back during the civil rights era. The Dixie Chicks said that they're ashamed of George Bush. The two attitudes are hardly comparable, and anyone who would insinuate that the latter is remotely as bad as the former is an idiot. Trent Lott insulted the human race; the Dixie Chicks insulted one man.
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Stravo wrote:
Ted wrote:Stravo, seeing as you do not understand what vindictive means, I provide you with a definition:

vindictive [vın'dıktıv]
adjective
1 disposed to seek vengeance

2 characterized by spite or rancour

3 (English law) (of damages) in excess of the compensation due to the plaintiff and imposed in punishment of the defendant
You know what bitch boy considering how many times you've been out right fucking WRONG I would keep the fuck out of this debate. Still think the US is part of OPEC asshole?
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Darth Wong wrote:
0.1 wrote:People like the Dixie Chicks, Trent Lott, etc, are all in visible positions. It's as simple as that, right or wrong, there are consequences for being visible under the wrong circumstances.
Trent Lott said he wished a racial segregationist ticket had won back during the civil rights era. The Dixie Chicks said that they're ashamed of George Bush. The two attitudes are hardly comparable, and anyone who would insinuate that the latter is remotely as bad as the former is an idiot. Trent Lott insulted the human race; the Dixie Chicks insulted one man.
Ah yes, Trent Lott... Advocates for segregation, and then the NAACP takes his guns away...

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My take on the whole Dixie Chicks issue, as posted in another debate elsewhere:
Edi wrote:Their opinions on politics have, at least when last I checked, absolutely no impact on the quality of music they produce. If you liked their music and bought it before, and you suddenly stop buying it just because you disagree with their political opinions when the music itself has not changed, then you're basically engaging in blackmail for political purposes and being an asshole. Boycotting them despite liking their music prior to their stating a political opinion doesn't have an ethical leg to stand on when the actual product has not changed. People have a right to do it, but then again, in a free society people have a right to be assholes, and such actions say more about them than about the artists they boycott.

This is not saying that all boycotts are unethical. It's not wrong to boycott the goods and services of a company or organization whose actions cause actual harm to people or are intended to cause actual harm to people or further causes that seek it (e.g. most racist organizations would fall under the latter category), but boycotting someone just for a political opinion that does not fulfill those criteria is being an asshole.

I'm not really very interested in the political opinions of musicians and singers I listen to, and so whether they disagree with me or not has no impact on my decisions to buy their CDs or listen to their music. I might think them idiots (or not, depending how they went about expressing their opinion) but it doesn't affect the quality of the music, really. It'd take something like actively promoting racism or similar stuff to get on my blacklist, but the bands and artists who do that have the racist donkey-rapists as their primary audience anyway because no decent person would have anything to do with them in the first place.
Additionally, the Dixie Chicks haven't made a habit of criticizing Bush (unlike e.g. Michael Moore), their comment was a one time, off the cuff one by all indications, so the level of hatred and moral outrage it was greeted with is way over the top overreaction.

As for the people here who whine like little bitches about the way the DCs apologised, with all due respect, why don't shove that whining up your ass? They said that the way they said that comment was disrespectful, and they apologized for that. But are you fucking idiots now requiring them to start marching in lockstep with what the pro-war brigade says? They said they do not regret asking question instead of just following blindly, which is what most people would say of themselves. The double standards shown here on this issue are just fucking disgusting.

In conclusion, as I said before, people have a right to be vindictive assholes if they so choose (I've a big vindictive streak myself that I'll readily admit to, and I can be an asshole too if warranted), but trying to sugarcoat it and make excuses when you're being an asshole over such a ludicrously insignificant thing just makes you look worse when you do choose to be vindictive. But then again, nobody is required to use their brain either, whether it's the Dixie Chicks in making comments or the people who criticize them for doing it. Choosing to use that brain might make you look less idiotic, however.

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So? Theyre Naked, but they're covered enough to the point where it doesn't matter, AND I STILL DON'T THINK THEY'RE ATTRACTIVE!

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Darth Fanboy wrote:So? Theyre Naked, but they're covered enough to the point where it doesn't matter, AND I STILL DON'T THINK THEY'RE ATTRACTIVE!

To quote an Imperial official in the "Bacta War"

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Darth Wong wrote:
0.1 wrote:People like the Dixie Chicks, Trent Lott, etc, are all in visible positions. It's as simple as that, right or wrong, there are consequences for being visible under the wrong circumstances.
Trent Lott said he wished a racial segregationist ticket had won back during the civil rights era. The Dixie Chicks said that they're ashamed of George Bush. The two attitudes are hardly comparable, and anyone who would insinuate that the latter is remotely as bad as the former is an idiot. Trent Lott insulted the human race; the Dixie Chicks insulted one man.
It is more than one man. he is the physical representation of all who share his ideals. Is in not logical for those people who share those ideals to feel insulted?
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Edi wrote:
Additionally, the Dixie Chicks haven't made a habit of criticizing Bush (unlike e.g. Michael Moore), their comment was a one time, off the cuff one by all indications, so the level of hatred and moral outrage it was greeted with is way over the top overreaction.
Those upon their soap boxes are overreacting. Those who do not like what the DC did and therefore are not buying their product, aren't. IMO.
As for the people here who whine like little bitches about the way the DCs apologised, with all due respect, why don't shove that whining up your ass? They said that the way they said that comment was disrespectful, and they apologized for that. But are you fucking idiots now requiring them to start marching in lockstep with what the pro-war brigade says? They said they do not regret asking question instead of just following blindly, which is what most people would say of themselves. The double standards shown here on this issue are just fucking disgusting.
Come on Edi, if you believe that the DC's have a right or even obligation to speak their mind about it and be defended for it, then you have to accept that those who dissagree with them have the same rights and obligations. No one that I know of is saying that they must take up the 'pro-war' mantra, I just think they have to face the consequences of pissing off a major block of the costomers.

Thats right, customers. They are in the buissness of selling themselves, their voices primarily but their looks and their image as well. They sold themselves to the (right or wrongly) red blooded, wrap themselves in the flag, god and country type people. Later after those people had helped elevate them, they went over sea's and and pandered to a European audiance by saying something that they had to know who piss off the large group of people at home who had made them stars.
In conclusion, as I said before, people have a right to be vindictive assholes if they so choose (I've a big vindictive streak myself that I'll readily admit to, and I can be an asshole too if warranted), but trying to sugarcoat it and make excuses when you're being an asshole over such a ludicrously insignificant thing just makes you look worse when you do choose to be vindictive. But then again, nobody is required to use their brain either, whether it's the Dixie Chicks in making comments or the people who criticize them for doing it. Choosing to use that brain might make you look less idiotic, however
Again, some are vindictive and some are just expressing their opinion (you know, like the DC's). Alot of it is getting into the relm of stupidity but mostly its just people dissagreeing. On a side note, this would have disapeared by now if not for the people out there crying 'blacklisting' because obviously people are required to buy CD's from people they don't like personaly. Weather they have a good voice or not, I don't like them so I shouldn't have to buy their shit.
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