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It'll be a lightsabe only a white flagshaped blade comes out.paladin wrote:I bet instead of a lightsaber, he would carry a white flag!
Well, the next villian IS german then, sort of, isn't it? The next "villain" is the EMPIRE!Crazy9000 wrote:So why doesn't he just make the next villian German?
Oh wait. The Imperials already use modified German hardware, and their military system is loosely based on the German system. Nevermind, there's no point...
"Your father's white flag sabre. This is the weapon of a Frenchmen. Not as clumsy or random as hands in the air ... an elegant surrender, for a more civilized age."kojikun wrote:It'll be a lightsabe only a white flagshaped blade comes out.
Spoonist wrote:Here you have one of the articles of some of the protests against Jango and son.
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Jango is anti-latino because the clones were grown on Kamino which sounds like camino? Could these people make it any more obvious that they are grasping at straws delibrately hunting for something, anything to criticize?
I thought the evil Empire was America.kojikun wrote:Well, the next villian IS german then, sort of, isn't it? The next "villain" is the EMPIRE!
What would he do? Bore everyone to death?Montcalm wrote:Well since there is a country most people on earth like to bash,then make the next villain(Canadian)
Actually, the Evil Empire is Old Europe, and the plucky Rebellion is America. Listen to the accents of the actors.Montcalm wrote:I thought the evil Empire was America.
Don`t flame me its just a joke.
Well i was just going with whats happening in the world now,America is the strongest country on Earth.Darth Wong wrote:Actually, the Evil Empire is Old Europe, and the plucky Rebellion is America. Listen to the accents of the actors.Montcalm wrote:I thought the evil Empire was America.
we're working on it.Montcalm wrote:I thought the evil Empire was America.kojikun wrote:Well, the next villian IS german then, sort of, isn't it? The next "villain" is the EMPIRE!
Don`t flame me its just a joke.
George Lucas, sometimes accused of reinforcing racial stereotypes with his movies, has done it again, according to critics.
Latino critics in particular charge his latest Star Wars epic, Episode II: Attack of the Clones, toys with American paranoia about Mexican immigration with its cloned army of swarthy lookalikes who march in lockstep by the tens of thousands, and ultimately end up serving as Darth Vader's white-suited warriors.
So?The breeding project, conducted by long-necked aliens who look like refugees from Close Encounters of the Third Kind, takes place on the planet Kamino -- soundalike for the Spanish word "camino," which means "road" or "I walk."
Temuera Morrison, the actor who plays Jango, is a New Zealander of Maori descent. But that didn't get in the way of some members of an eight-person Detroit News panel assembled to review the film.
"He looked totally Latino," says Martina Guzman, a Detroiter who's managing a State House election campaign.
Fuck you too."And his kid," says Wayne State history professor Jose Cuello, referring to the young Boba Fett, "looked even more Latino."
It reminds Cuello a little bit of "those Reagan ads in the 1980 campaign, that suggested if Nicaragua went communist, you'd have wild-eyed Mexicans with guns running across the California border."
Thank god, some reason!A flabbergasted Lucasfilm spokeswoman, Jeanne Cole, says "This is the first we've heard of this. Star Wars," she says, "is a fantasy movie filled with creatures and aliens from all different planets and universes and galaxies. There is no basis for this."
So Rastafarians all talk, walk and have GIANT FLOPPING EARS like a ALIEN with a accent?Lucas was in Cannes and could not be reached for comment.
The celebrated mythmaker has been through what some might call the p.c. mill before.
In 1999, a furor erupted over The Phantom Menace's Jar Jar Binks, a floppy-eared alien whom some read as a sort of Stepin Fetchit by way of the West Indies.
"Everyone I've ever spoken to says there's a Rastafarian element to his speech, his walk, and in his 'dread' ears," says copy editor Robert del Valle, who was on The News panel with Guzman and Cuello.
But such allegations were dismissed as "absurd" by Lucas in a Thursday interview published in the Washington Post. "People say, 'He sounds Caribbean.' Well, he doesn't. He's a complete invention. It's a different language. Just because he speaks with that accent doesn't mean it's a racial stereotype."
The interview did not address the clone issue.
A somewhat muted Jar Jar makes another appearance in Clones, but it is the dark-skinned Jango-copies that seem to have caught some audience members' attention this time around.
Still, not everybody's buying it.
Harry Knowles, on-line film reviewer and author of Ain't It Cool: Hollywood's Red-Headed Step-Child Speaks Out (Time Warner), says the whole Jango ethnic premise is "reading racism into something that's not there -- it's just in the minds of the viewers. It's like calling Jar Jar racist when all he is is Bullwinkle."
The Jango dispute surfaced in internet chat rooms devoted to Star Wars days before the movie's release, says panelist Gary Anderson, the artistic director at Detroit's Plowshares Theatre and longtime Star Wars student and critic.
If the planet name "Kamino" caught some Latinos' attention, three Arab-Americans on The News' panel seized on the fact that Jango's son calls him "Baba."
"I frankly think the bounty hunter is Arab," says college counselor Imad Nouri of Royal Oak.
"He's basically a terrorist," explains Nouri, "and 'baba' is Arabic for 'father.' "
Ignoring the fact this was because the majority of actors were British because local actors were cheap, and Star Wars was not a giant budget film.Such allegations have a long history in that galaxy far, far away. A number of observers noted that the 1977 original was, at least at the human level, an all-white party -- looking, in Anderson's words, "like the Ku Klux Klan's fantasy of the future."
The only exception was Darth Vader's basso-profundo voice, supplied by African-American actor James Earl Jones.
Which leads to all sorts of ironies, intentional or not: Darth Vader has a black man's voice when he's bad, but in Clones -- before Anakin Skywalker does the Darth-thing and defects to the Dark Side -- he's a white guy, played by Hayden Christensen.
The big question lurking beneath all this ethnic deconstruction: Could any of this possibly be deliberate?
For their part, The News' panelists were divided.
"The plot is so superficial," says Cuello, "I don't think they could possibly have any deliberate intent about manipulating images."
Like almost everybody who commented on Lucas, Anderson doubts there's anything malicious going on.
"If your entire world perspective is based on 1950s TV and films, what do you expect?" he asks. "Garbage in and garbage out."
For her part, Guzman was astonished that, given the Jar Jar flap, Lucas didn't scrutinize everything a little more critically this time around. "He's been criticized before," she says. "So he had a choice."
It's not that she's opposed to Latin-looking baddies per se. She just wishes the occasional swarthy good guy would get as much on-screen time as the villain.
"Jimmy Smits had all of two lines in the whole movie," Guzman says. "And Samuel Jackson had like five. Then there's the bad guy."
For pop-culture professor Robert Thompson at Syracuse University -- who has yet to see Clones -- the issue boils down to whether Lucas really wanted to tweak Anglo fears.
The big problem with Binks doesn't have anything to do with rascism. It's the fact he's a fucking annoying character.He's inclined to say no, attributing Lucas' occasionally confusing choices to "a certain degree of cluelessness. Look at Jar Jar Binks. The moment that guy comes on the screen, you wonder what in the world they were thinking. This isn't 1957. Didn't anybody say, 'Have you paid attention to what this guy is doing?' "
Which is why one of the man characters of the original was a 8 foot hairy snarling monster who is said to rip people's arms off. But everybody loves Chewie.The sad thing, he says, is that the Star Wars saga is also "about tolerance and dignity.
But then you've got this 'camino' thing, which sounds a little creepy, and swarthy people who march in uncountable masses."
Mr. Morrison IS FROM NEW ZEALAND!Thompson calls the imagery in Star Wars a "great big Rorschach test, not just for the people who watch the movies, but for Lucas himself." With the latter, that leads him to two possibilities.
"One is that this is coming out of the id of the creator without translation -- a West Coast fear of the Latino population in America." (Lucas grew in the 1950s in Modesto, Calif., the agricultural town immortalized in American Graffiti, and one visited annually by thousands of migrant workers.)
Not altogether true! I think Tarkin was the only Imperial with a British accent in ANH. Everyone else was dubbed with bad "DJ" (American) voices!Darth Wong wrote:Actually, the Evil Empire is Old Europe, and the plucky Rebellion is America. Listen to the accents of the actors.Montcalm wrote:I thought the evil Empire was America.
Don`t flame me its just a joke.
duh! Listen to his heavy kiwi accent!... the actor who plays Jango, is Maori...When asked how audiences are supposed to know that, he says, "How can you tell?
They can`t be mexicans when they recives orders they don`t say "Si senor"Enforcer Talen wrote:woah. the clone troopers are mexicans? Ive seen the movie, like, 20 times, and I never knew that.
we must do a preemptive strike against the evil empire of mexico!
ha! thats going in the sig!!!Wicked Pilot wrote:"Your father's white flag sabre. This is the weapon of a Frenchmen. Not as clumsy or random as a hands in the air ... an elegant surrender, for a more civilized age."kojikun wrote:It'll be a lightsabe only a white flagshaped blade comes out.
WTF? were they watching a different film.Jango's son calls him "Baba."
She missed twenty fucking thousand plus of them 20,000 'units' so at the very least that's twenty thousand of them. You know, those guys with the guns? and the space-hueys, and the acclamator gunships. The ones that were fighting the 'evil' sepratist droid army and rescue the jedi from certain doom?She just wishes the occasional swarthy good guy would get as much on-screen time as the villain.
ROFL!!Wicked Pilot wrote:"Your father's white flag sabre. This is the weapon of a Frenchmen. Not as clumsy or random as a hands in the air ... an elegant surrender, for a more civilized age."kojikun wrote:It'll be a lightsabe only a white flagshaped blade comes out.
Good question - the most evil villain in the whole trilogy is actually played by arch-british Shakespearean actors such as Ian McDiarmid. They should not forget Tarkin and Count Dooku, either. (played by the arch-british Peter Cushing and Christopher Lee, respectively)Grand Admiral Thrawn wrote:By making the evil bad guy white. Or did you people go blind every time Palpatine appears?
