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Battlefield 1942 (relative) Realism Mod

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Pretty good, I like it. Not many people play it yet, so its hard to find a game, and Russian equipment has not been overhauled. There are also some balance issues, mainly the fact that rocket launchers are taken out, thus depriving infantry of anti-tank, except for Germany, who gets panzerfausts for their basic riflemen. Makes Omaha even harder for Allies.
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I rather like the level of realism there is now, it has just enough to be interesting, yet enough fiction to make it interesting and balanced.
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Gandalf wrote:I rather like the level of realism there is now, it has just enough to be interesting, yet enough fiction to make it interesting and balanced.
The current amount of realism allows a P-51D to be shot in the cockpit with a 76mm cannon and still fly fine. :P
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Re: Battlefield 1942 (relative) Realism Mod

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JediNeophyte wrote:There are also some balance issues, mainly the fact that rocket launchers are taken out, thus depriving infantry of anti-tank, except for Germany, who gets panzerfausts for their basic riflemen. Makes Omaha even harder for Allies.
The fuck? This "realism" mod is bullshit. The US had Bazooka teams in 1942,
waaay before anyone else did. the fucking panzershreck is a modified
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I checked their forums, apparantly bazookas aren't entirely removed, you can pick them up in certain locations on certain maps :?. I played a game against a horde of bots and the infantry combat is pretty solid, but armored combat is unbalanced, since all German riflemen get 1-shot-kill panzerfausts, Shermans respawn at the same rate as the German tanks yet die 3x faster, 2462462086534x faster with the panzerfausts, and one Tiger can single-handedly defeat an Allied team since they're basically limited to fragmentation grenades, landmines, and explosive packs. :?
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Sounds like utter shit, only America had the Bazooka in 1942, and the Tiger was so rare few battles had more then a platoon of them.
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JediNeophyte wrote:
Gandalf wrote:I rather like the level of realism there is now, it has just enough to be interesting, yet enough fiction to make it interesting and balanced.
The current amount of realism allows a P-51D to be shot in the cockpit with a 76mm cannon and still fly fine. :P
That is obviously for the second category. :P
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I don't know if the game has Panzer IV Fs. If so it's a much better choice.
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I use the Merciless historical addon. Be warned! some ladders consider anything but 1.31 patch cheating. I play on the Telstra GA ladder, and there is a big dispute over it now. Apparently the 1.4 patch will allow servers to exlude players with client side mods. Also heard a rumor that Merciless will be allowed.
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1. Battlefield is an arcade game, after all, and the changes from what I've seen don't actually add more realism
2. What's the point if they take away realistic equipment???
3. What's the point of that mod if the Russians don't get the proper equipment? The only reason I'd download a mod like this would be Mosin-Nagants, PPSh-41s etc.
4. Shermans should actually respawn much faster than Tigers
the fucking panzershreck is a modified bazooka
minor nitpick, it's Panzerschreck.

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Battlefield 1942 currently pisses me the fuck off. The Russians and Japanese don't get their own historical weapons, what kind of bullshit is that?

And the entire game doesn't have the M1 Garand. Like come ON.
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Vympel wrote:Battlefield 1942 currently pisses me the fuck off. The Russians and Japanese don't get their own historical weapons, what kind of bullshit is that?

And the entire game doesn't have the M1 Garand. Like come ON.
What the fuck? I'm happier then ever that I didn't buy this piece of shit. There might have been some M1 shortages in 1941 and the few couple months of 1942, but that was it and the Springfield was very quickly replaced in all roles but sniping.
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Cpt_Frank wrote: http://www.fhmod.bfcentral.com/
This mod is much more promising. It will feature proper weapons and a number of cool vehicles.
Looks good. 8)
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3rd Impact wrote:
Cpt_Frank wrote: http://www.fhmod.bfcentral.com/
This mod is much more promising. It will feature proper weapons and a number of cool vehicles.
Looks good. 8)
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Sea Skimmer wrote:
Vympel wrote:Battlefield 1942 currently pisses me the fuck off. The Russians and Japanese don't get their own historical weapons, what kind of bullshit is that?

And the entire game doesn't have the M1 Garand. Like come ON.
What the fuck? I'm happier then ever that I didn't buy this piece of shit. There might have been some M1 shortages in 1941 and the few couple months of 1942, but that was it and the Springfield was very quickly replaced in all roles but sniping.
Teehee. It gets worse. The Springfield isn't in BF1942. Instead, the US troops get to use the Lee-Enfield No. 4 :roll:


On a side note, however, the makers of this "realism" mod are adding in Russian equipment soon.
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JediNeophyte wrote:Teehee. It gets worse. The Springfield isn't in BF1942. Instead, the US troops get to use the Lee-Enfield No. 4 :roll:
I always pretend it's the P-17 :P
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I hate it when people, hell even Mail Call did this, say the Sherman sucked because it was a crappy tank. They ignore that they almost always worked, and came in large mass produced numbers. Not to mention the fact that they could cross birdges the Pershing couldn't have.


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JediNeophyte wrote:
Teehee. It gets worse. The Springfield isn't in BF1942. Instead, the US troops get to use the Lee-Enfield No. 4 :roll:
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Sea Skimmer wrote:
JediNeophyte wrote:
Teehee. It gets worse. The Springfield isn't in BF1942. Instead, the US troops get to use the Lee-Enfield No. 4 :roll:
Right, now I'm going to need the grid referance for the companies HQ
Electronic Arts and DICE. Both blow ass, so I suppose it makes sense.
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Straha wrote:I hate it when people, hell even Mail Call did this, say the Sherman sucked because it was a crappy tank. They ignore that they almost always worked, and came in large mass produced numbers. Not to mention the fact that they could cross birdges the Pershing couldn't have.


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Well, compared to the Panthers, Tigers and KTs running around, they might as well have used paper armor and a pop gun. They were designed in mind to fight the "new" Panzer IVs during 1940-41, not the large behemoths that could fire and penetrate armor a mile away the Germans were fielding. It's a shame the Pershing didn't get out till early-late 1945 (and only around 20 in Europe at that :? )
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Balrog wrote:
Well, compared to the Panthers, Tigers and KTs running around, they might as well have used paper armor and a pop gun.
Course, America fielded about twenty Sherman's for every one of those tanks that was built, most of which went to fight Russia in any case. The Sherman spent the vast majority of its time shooting up infantry or lighter German armor. Producing larger tanks like the M26 would have made the armored battles easier. But American infantry would have suffered far more for lack of support.

Hell if the US Army had its way ¾'s of all tanks would have carried 105mm howitzers, and indeed it kept building 75mm Sherman's even though it could have had all 76mm because the HE shell was much better.

The Sherman was as much war winner for America as the T-34 was for Russia.
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It should be noted that while the core game is horridly unrealistic, it does manage to capture the aspects of 20th century warfare surprisingly well. Tanks do not hold positions well and get screwed by infantry in close quarters, attacking an AA-defended area in plane will get you killed, etc...
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Sea Skimmer wrote:
Balrog wrote:
Well, compared to the Panthers, Tigers and KTs running around, they might as well have used paper armor and a pop gun.
Course, America fielded about twenty Sherman's for every one of those tanks that was built, most of which went to fight Russia in any case. The Sherman spent the vast majority of its time shooting up infantry or lighter German armor. Producing larger tanks like the M26 would have made the armored battles easier. But American infantry would have suffered far more for lack of support.
That, and the Sherman was a helluva more reliable then the German heavies (the Tiger's engines were already pushing the limits, imagine the strain from all that extra armor on the KT :) ) Indeed, for every 10 Shermans a Tiger could take down, there'd be another 10 around the corner :D
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Balrog wrote: That, and the Sherman was a helluva more reliable then the German heavies (the Tiger's engines were already pushing the limits, imagine the strain from all that extra armor on the KT :) ) Indeed, for every 10 Shermans a Tiger could take down, there'd be another 10 around the corner :D
Nonetheless I wouldn't have liked to be part of a Sherman crew when battling other tanks.....
But I'm glad there were many shermans produced, because that means the next one is only a 15 minute drive from my home. :P
Anyways, it's a bit difficult to reflect that in the game, you can't respawn 10 times more Shermans than German tanks.
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