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Shrykull · Post by **Shrykull** » 2003-04-27 12:32am

I was talking to some atheists who think that Christianity is kind of like a blood cult in the sense, that they symbolically drink blood and eat flesh (the eucharist), what's your opinion?

UltraViolence83 · Post by **UltraViolence83** » 2003-04-27 12:33am

Sweet. I want to become one now.

Icehawk · Post by **Icehawk** » 2003-04-27 12:41am

Were they ACTUALLY serious about it? Give more information about them, how old were they?

If they were serious they are just idiots. You can be athiest and still be an idiot/moron.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-04-27 12:43am

Why wouldn't they be serious about it? Christianity is an animal-sacrifice religion, based on the notion that animal-sacrifice pleases God, and that the ultimate sacrifice of the innocent lamb (Jesus) was so great that it "washes away" all human sin.

The OT is full of animal-sacrifice rituals, stories, and instructions, complete with admonitions about how you're supposed to slaughter the animal and then wave its bloody guts around in the air.

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2003-04-27 12:44am

Damn, I've been gipped...

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-04-27 12:44am

Shrykull wrote:I was talking to some atheists who think that Christianity is kind of like a blood cult in the sense, that they symbolically drink blood and eat flesh (the eucharist), what's your opinion?

*gasps*

Damn, they're on to us! I'm afraid you've delved too deeply, Shrykull...

UltraViolence83 · Post by **UltraViolence83** » 2003-04-27 12:45am

I'm not real big on needless animal cruelty, but that would be fucking awesome if people still did that around here.

Icehawk · Post by **Icehawk** » 2003-04-27 12:45am

Whoops, I misread the post and didn't see the "symbolically" part.

Shrykull · Post by **Shrykull** » 2003-04-27 12:50am

Icehawk wrote:Were they ACTUALLY serious about it? Give more information about them, how old were they?

If they were serious they are just idiots. You can be athiest and still be an idiot/moron.

the atheists I talk to? Actually I talk to them on paltalk, ever use that? It doesn't have a feature to locate people on it as far as I know, so I have to go to the category and find an atheist-sounding room (eg- prayer is useless) and I'll see them there. They are less tolerant than people like Mike Wong and think that Christianity is nothing more than a harmful delusion as far as I can tell.

UltraViolence83 · Post by **UltraViolence83** » 2003-04-27 12:57am

I tend to regard intolerant atheists with the same disdain as intolerant theists. Even more, possibly. It's my experience that people whom are atheists are usually intellectuals, and thusly learn up on things moreso than non-intellectuals. I would expect more mature behavior from people like that.

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2003-04-27 01:06am

Not to be a me-too-er, but I agree.

Raptor 597 · Post by **Raptor 597** » 2003-04-27 01:09am

UltraViolence83 wrote:I tend to regard intolerant atheists with the same disdain as intolerant theists. Even more, possibly. It's my experience that people whom are atheists are usually intellectuals, and thusly learn up on things moreso than non-intellectuals. I would expect more mature behavior from people like that.

Intelligent people tend to be pompous, arrogant, and paranoid. Yeah, many times in real life I can be all three of those. Mostly because I am not dwarfed there and am intellectually "superior" there. actually, I believe that being way above normal intelligence leads to an eventual lack of social skills because people may get too involved into there work. Just my feelings on that, not really fact.

UltraViolence83 · Post by **UltraViolence83** » 2003-04-27 01:11am

Holy shit, I totally agree with you! I'm paranoid all the time...I wouldn't be so fucking nuts if I didn't over-analyze things over and over in my head. Although, that probably is more related to some horrible emotional problem I have.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-04-27 01:12am

If I may say so, Christianity is a harmful delusion (and I don't mean to generalize, I know there are good Christians, but overall Christianity does more harm then good).

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-04-27 01:15am

UltraViolence83 wrote:I tend to regard intolerant atheists with the same disdain as intolerant theists. Even more, possibly. It's my experience that people whom are atheists are usually intellectuals, and thusly learn up on things moreso than non-intellectuals. I would expect more mature behavior from people like that.

What makes you classify an atheist as intolerant? It is my experience that an "intolerant Christian" (using Southern Baptists as an example) is someone who says that everyone else deserves death and torture and who also attempts to enact and enforce laws designed to force others to observe many of the precepts of their religion. "Creationism in public school" movements, as well as current laws regarding public indecency, Sunday closing laws, sexual "immorality" laws such as anti-sodomy laws, and many other legal idiocies bear mute testimony to this attitude. An "intolerant atheist", on the other hand, is merely an atheist who says bad things about Christianity. A bit of a double-standard, isn't it?

How is it "intolerant" to say that Christianity is a symbolic blood-ritual religion? It is based on the notion that the perfect sacrifice will please God for all time!

Post by **haas mark** » 2003-04-27 01:16am

Personally (AND ONLY PERSONALLY) I find that agnostics are the most open people.

UltraViolence83 · Post by **UltraViolence83** » 2003-04-27 01:16am

I've since long accepted the fact that people will kill each other for unbelieveably stupid reasons so harmful religions don't really bother me. As long as Ali Mohammed singh-Abullah Omar doesn't come after my family, friends, or myself I just don't care.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-04-27 01:17am

Of course, because agnostics are too afraid to label something as idiotic (I know, I've been there). It's atheism for relativists.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-04-27 01:21am

verilon wrote:Personally (AND ONLY PERSONALLY) I find that agnostics are the most open people.

They have to be, since they're fence-sitters. It's the religious equivalent of solypsism.

UltraViolence83 · Post by **UltraViolence83** » 2003-04-27 01:22am

Darth Wong wrote:
UltraViolence83 wrote:I tend to regard intolerant atheists with the same disdain as intolerant theists. Even more, possibly. It's my experience that people whom are atheists are usually intellectuals, and thusly learn up on things moreso than non-intellectuals. I would expect more mature behavior from people like that.
What makes you classify an atheist as intolerant? It is my experience that an "intolerant Christian" (using Southern Baptists as an example) is someone who says that everyone else deserves death and torture and who also attempts to enact and enforce laws designed to force others to observe many of the precepts of their religion. "Creationism in public school" movements, as well as current laws regarding public indecency, Sunday closing laws, sexual "immorality" laws such as anti-sodomy laws, and many other legal idiocies bear mute testimony to this attitude. An "intolerant atheist", on the other hand, is merely an atheist who says bad things about Christianity. A bit of a double-standard, isn't it?

How is it "intolerant" to say that Christianity is a symbolic blood-ritual religion? It is based on the notion that the perfect sacrifice will please God for all time!

I was thinking more along the lines of the people that claim that anyone who is religious is an idiot, or insane. Especially the ones that only feel they as a group of like-minded people consider themselves the best and brightest. And yes, I have seen this type of behavior from some atheists. Read: Some. Not all. Most I've ever corresponded with are intelligent, and don't bother the nearby religious people if they don't bother them.

UltraViolence83 · Post by **UltraViolence83** » 2003-04-27 01:24am

Why is being a fence-sitter on the issue cowardly? Could it be that they just don't care enough to bother with it?

Post by **haas mark** » 2003-04-27 01:27am

Darth Wong wrote:
verilon wrote:Personally (AND ONLY PERSONALLY) I find that agnostics are the most open people.
They have to be, since they're fence-sitters. It's the religious equivalent of solypsism.

I'm not arguing with that one.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-04-27 01:29am

UltraViolence83 wrote:Why is being a fence-sitter on the issue cowardly? Could it be that they just don't care enough to bother with it?

Apathy is not the same as agnosticism. Agnosticism specifically claims that you cannot know whether there's a God or not, therefore it is impossible to resolve the question. It is hopelessly irrational because it ignores the logical principle of parsimony.

In practical terms, however, most agnostics are actually atheists who are afraid to admit it because the word "atheist" causes problems for people in the company of the sort-of-intolerant Christians that are all-too-common (somewhere between Christian liberals and hatemongers)

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-04-27 01:29am

UltraViolence83 wrote:Why is being a fence-sitter on the issue cowardly? Could it be that they just don't care enough to bother with it?

Because of this damn game they play; they refuse to acknowledge that the lack of evidence for a deity is reason enough to disregard its existence, instead relying on an argument from ignorance to justify their position.

UltraViolence83 · Post by **UltraViolence83** » 2003-04-27 01:34am

Ok, here's where I'm confused:

On the issue of whether a "God" exists or not, I would consider myself leaning on the existence of ...maybe not a Creator, but a Supreme Element of the universe.

I believe that no institution of Man or a single man can claim to have absolute truth of what's out there.

Note that I believe that something is out there.

What would that be? I tend to think of "God" as the Universe as a whole.

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