Does it bother you that...

Frank Hipper · Post by **Frank Hipper** » 2003-04-27 01:35am

Well of course Christianity is a symbolic blood cult! "Eat, this is my body", and "Drink, this is my blood" is pretty obvious, isn't it????

UltraViolence83 · Post by **UltraViolence83** » 2003-04-27 01:36am

Darth Wong wrote:Apathy is not the same as agnosticism. Agnosticism specifically claims that you cannot know whether there's a God or not, therefore it is impossible to resolve the question. It is hopelessly irrational because it ignores the logical principle of parsimony.

In practical terms, however, most agnostics are actually atheists who are afraid to admit it because the word "atheist" causes problems for people in the company of the sort-of-intolerant Christians that are all-too-common (somewhere between Christian liberals and hatemongers)

Hate to say it, but if I were confronted by people of that ilk I would say I'm "Agnostic," though it's true I'm not a skeptical Atheist.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-04-27 01:38am

Hey, when confronted by fundies I call myself an agnostic too. I know I'm totally selling out, but it's just not worth listening to their bullshit. So the hell with it.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-04-27 01:41am

Durran Korr wrote:Hey, when confronted by fundies I call myself an agnostic too. I know I'm totally selling out, but it's just not worth listening to their bullshit. So the hell with it.

Am I the only one who proudly says "yes, I'm an atheist", and then immediately goes on the offensive when they start attacking my values?

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-04-27 01:42am

Darth Wong wrote:
Durran Korr wrote:Hey, when confronted by fundies I call myself an agnostic too. I know I'm totally selling out, but it's just not worth listening to their bullshit. So the hell with it.
Am I the only one who proudly says "yes, I'm an atheist", and then immediately goes on the offensive when they start attacking my values?

Yeah, and you should be proud of it.

UltraViolence83 · Post by **UltraViolence83** » 2003-04-27 01:42am

Darth Wong wrote:
Durran Korr wrote:Hey, when confronted by fundies I call myself an agnostic too. I know I'm totally selling out, but it's just not worth listening to their bullshit. So the hell with it.
Am I the only one who proudly says "yes, I'm an atheist", and then immediately goes on the offensive when they start attacking my values?

Hey, if you're the one who wants to get lynched.

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2003-04-27 01:58am

Darth Wong wrote:
Durran Korr wrote:Hey, when confronted by fundies I call myself an agnostic too. I know I'm totally selling out, but it's just not worth listening to their bullshit. So the hell with it.
Am I the only one who proudly says "yes, I'm an atheist", and then immediately goes on the offensive when they start attacking my values?

Im working on it, but Im scarcely as good at debate as you.

Rye · Post by **Rye** » 2003-04-27 09:22am

Darth Wong wrote:
Durran Korr wrote:Hey, when confronted by fundies I call myself an agnostic too. I know I'm totally selling out, but it's just not worth listening to their bullshit. So the hell with it.
Am I the only one who proudly says "yes, I'm an atheist", and then immediately goes on the offensive when they start attacking my values?

Heh. They just look at you like a quizzical dog if you say "i'm a pantheist."
Then you have to spend ages explaining how the universe is god, blah blah blah, then you're still damned at the end!

Keevan_Colton · Post by **Keevan_Colton** » 2003-04-27 09:31am

Darth Wong wrote:
Durran Korr wrote:Hey, when confronted by fundies I call myself an agnostic too. I know I'm totally selling out, but it's just not worth listening to their bullshit. So the hell with it.
Am I the only one who proudly says "yes, I'm an atheist", and then immediately goes on the offensive when they start attacking my values?

Nope.
Though I must thank america for the exported fundies....we really really wanted them here....honest.....

The worst of it is I know what a bunch of hypocritical fucks they are running around praying on people in the street (no its not a typo) and generally being a pain in the ass. I am more than happy to destroy thier pitiful insecure little beliefs when they see fit to screw with my day.

As for Ultra's question...I suppose that'd make you a deist.

Faram · Post by **Faram** » 2003-04-27 09:39am

Darth Wong wrote:Am I the only one who proudly says "yes, I'm an atheist", and then immediately goes on the offensive when they start attacking my values?

Nope I do that to but religion is no big deal here.

Only some fuddie morons even reacts when I say that.

Keevan_Colton · Post by **Keevan_Colton** » 2003-04-27 09:40am

Faram wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:Am I the only one who proudly says "yes, I'm an atheist", and then immediately goes on the offensive when they start attacking my values?
Nope I do that to but religion is no big deal here.

Only some fuddie morons even reacts when I say that.

We've an exported colony of fundies here....straight from the good ol' US of A....

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2003-04-27 09:58am

Correct me if i'm wrong but i was under the impression that it was only the Roman Catholic Church who did the whole wine and bread thing. I was a rabid protestant for many years and in all the churches i visited with the Grand Orange Lodge of Ireland i never say this ceromony once.

Sporkzen · Post by **Sporkzen** » 2003-04-27 11:28am

Darth Pounder wrote:Correct me if i'm wrong but i was under the impression that it was only the Roman Catholic Church who did the whole wine and bread thing. I was a rabid protestant for many years and in all the churches i visited with the Grand Orange Lodge of Ireland i never say this ceromony once.

Baptists also take communion. I grew up raised a baptist, Though i never took communion. I am not a baptist anymore. I have read the bible and can say i do belive in God. But i cannot say that i am a christian because i do not follow an established religion. My old church treats me like the equivalent of an atheist in their eyes. But i really dont care

Btw imo everyone has their own beliefes and should be respected for that. The fundamentalists really piss me off with their intolerance of other people.

Hendrake · Post by **Hendrake** » 2003-04-27 11:55am

Darth Wong wrote:Am I the only one who proudly says "yes, I'm an atheist", and then immediately goes on the offensive when they start attacking my values?

I do that too, but in Italy it's not as big an issue as in America. And also I am not that good at debates, but that's all righ 'cause the street preaching fundies are far worse anyway.

Peregrin Toker · Post by **Peregrin Toker** » 2003-04-27 12:05pm

Darth Pounder wrote:Correct me if i'm wrong but i was under the impression that it was only the Roman Catholic Church who did the whole wine and bread thing. I was a rabid protestant for many years and in all the churches i visited with the Grand Orange Lodge of Ireland i never say this ceromony once.

There are many different non-Catholic denominations in Christianity, such as the Unitarians, Calvinists, Lutherans, Baptists, Methodists, Mennonites, Episcopalians, Presbyterians, Pentecostalists, Donatists, Monophysiticists and.... did I miss anyone??

Nova Andromeda · Post by **Nova Andromeda** » 2003-04-27 02:06pm

Darth Wong wrote:
Durran Korr wrote:Hey, when confronted by fundies I call myself an agnostic too. I know I'm totally selling out, but it's just not worth listening to their bullshit. So the hell with it.
Am I the only one who proudly says "yes, I'm an atheist", and then immediately goes on the offensive when they start attacking my values?

--The U.S. is becoming a dangerous place for nonbelievers. There are black lists, secret police, and secret detainment of people without charges in military brigs. I would guess this is currently restricted mostly to those people associated with arabic nations, but due to the secrecy who knows? One now has to determine how best to fight this fight. I'm not sure being openly atheist is such a good idea realistically speaking. IMHO, there is only one battle that absolutely needs to be fought and won. That is the fight for a strong education system where logic, reason, and the scientific method are taught and it is demonstrated they can be used to solve both social and tech. problems. Everything depends on this since we simply don't have the power to win a direct fight with religious conservatives in the U.S. politically or otherwise.

Joe Momma · Post by **Joe Momma** » 2003-04-27 05:25pm

Darth Wong wrote:Am I the only one who proudly says "yes, I'm an atheist", and then immediately goes on the offensive when they start attacking my values?

I used to tell people I was an atheist, but I've now just settled on the more direct, "I think the whole magic show is bullshit."

-- Joe Momma

Frank Hipper · Post by **Frank Hipper** » 2003-04-27 05:42pm

Darth Pounder wrote:Correct me if i'm wrong but i was under the impression that it was only the Roman Catholic Church who did the whole wine and bread thing. I was a rabid protestant for many years and in all the churches i visited with the Grand Orange Lodge of Ireland i never say this ceromony once.

My grandparents took my younger brother and I to a Methodist communion service where we got tiny cubes of white bread and a tiny sip of grape juice. Our parents kinda freaked because we were never baptised. And yes, I'm still an unwashed heathen. And proud of it.

NapoleonGH · Post by **NapoleonGH** » 2003-04-27 05:59pm

Darth Wong wrote:Am I the only one who proudly says "yes, I'm an atheist", and then immediately goes on the offensive when they start attacking my values?

No you arent, I happen to be on your side in this issue.

About christianity, of course it is a religion of sacrafice. the largest christian group by a very large margin, the Roman Catholic Church, and the second largest christian group, the different orthodox churches, all believe in transubstantiation, that upon taking holy ucharist the person actually embibes the blood and body of christ. Doesnt that make them cannibals? The protestants, do the same thing symbolically, ritually consuming products that "represent" teh body and blood.

Raptor 597 · Post by **Raptor 597** » 2003-04-27 07:48pm

Darth Wong wrote:
Durran Korr wrote:Hey, when confronted by fundies I call myself an agnostic too. I know I'm totally selling out, but it's just not worth listening to their bullshit. So the hell with it.
Am I the only one who proudly says "yes, I'm an atheist", and then immediately goes on the offensive when they start attacking my values?

I would too. But the fact of possibly getting murdered, beaten up, and harrassed is something I want to avoid. Yet, debating daily as a liberal Christian and defeating them is enough to stir up enough reaction.

Shrykull · Post by **Shrykull** » 2003-04-27 11:32pm

Frank Hipper wrote:
Darth Pounder wrote:Correct me if i'm wrong but i was under the impression that it was only the Roman Catholic Church who did the whole wine and bread thing. I was a rabid protestant for many years and in all the churches i visited with the Grand Orange Lodge of Ireland i never say this ceromony once.
My grandparents took my younger brother and I to a Methodist communion service where we got tiny cubes of white bread and a tiny sip of grape juice. Our parents kinda freaked because we were never baptised. And yes, I'm still an unwashed heathen. And proud of it.

My family's catholic, and I got my first communion but never got confirmed, and I don't think I want to either, I take a commitment seriously, and it would be hypocritical of me to become a "soldier of Christ" if I don't even agree with him.