[STGOD] United Planets

Straha · Post by **Straha** » 2003-04-27 05:00pm

Alright, for the STGOD, we have here the place where we can discuss international treaties, international laws, and international complaints. Enjoy.

Spyder · Post by **Spyder** » 2003-04-27 05:18pm

The Minmatar would like to propose Christchurch, New Zealand as a site for the UP headquarters.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-04-27 06:09pm

The Kokand Empire wishes to know if this would be an open forum for international debate, or if some sovereignty stealing treaty signing would be a requirement?

Spyder · Post by **Spyder** » 2003-04-27 06:17pm

Sea Skimmer wrote:The Kokand Empire wishes to know if this would be an open forum for international debate, or if some sovereignty stealing treaty signing would be a requirement?

Although the Minmatar would like to sign the treaty, we do not see why it should be a hard requirement to be forced on unwilling nations. If the Kokand Empire does not wish to be a part of the United Planets then it should not have to be. It is important for each empire to decide their own fate, we have our reasons for wanting to be a part of this treaty and the Kokand Empire no doubt has reasons for not wanting to be part of the treaty. Either way it is no business of ours to intervene.

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2003-04-27 06:35pm

The New Roman Empire will not have policy dictated to it by any other nation and it will tolerate no infringements upon it's sovereignty. Any action attempting to force any sort of restriction or policy change upon the New Roman Empire shall be construed as an act of war.

That said, the New Roman Empire is open to individual alliance proposals.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2003-04-27 06:45pm

The Floater Republic of Zarathrustra would like to offer the grav-wheel station at the Cluster of Zarathrustra at Earth's L5 as a location for the UP. Since we are truly neutral in the affairs of those who fight over land, resources, and power, we would provide the best hosts for such an endeavor.

Straha · Post by **Straha** » 2003-04-27 06:51pm

Spyder wrote:The Minmatar would like to propose Christchurch, New Zealand as a site for the UP headquarters.

Eath Location of this is up for Grabs, though (as posted before in one of the other threads) the UN was moved to Andora, and I would like to suggest a neutral moon colony for the location of this on Earth. The Idea behind the organization is that each planet/nation has its own branch on its planet.

That being said the Idea behind this is that you to agree with this, Monacora does not have any input at the time, except for a proposed policy on privacy, stopping people from entering systems in which they are not welcome, in return for returned privacy.

And a treaty banning all use of nuclear weapons on Civillians

mauldooku · Post by **mauldooku** » 2003-04-27 07:00pm

The Kelia Alliance has nothing to say that his time, other than to second the ban on using nuclear weapons on civillians and would like to extend this to all weapons of mass destruction.

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2003-04-27 07:01pm

The New Roman Empire rejects all proposals made by the Floater Republic and Monacora. We will not be parley to any sort of United Planets nor we will sign any treaty limiting our defensive options.

Spyder · Post by **Spyder** » 2003-04-27 07:03pm

Straha wrote:
Spyder wrote:The Minmatar would like to propose Christchurch, New Zealand as a site for the UP headquarters.
Eath Location of this is up for Grabs, though (as posted before in one of the other threads) the UN was moved to Andora, and I would like to suggest a neutral moon colony for the location of this on Earth. The Idea behind the organization is that each planet/nation has its own branch on its planet.

That being said the Idea behind this is that you to agree with this, Monacora does not have any input at the time, except for a proposed policy on privacy, stopping people from entering systems in which they are not welcome, in return for returned privacy.

And a treaty banning all use of nuclear weapons on Civillians

The Minmatar will agree to all current proposals in return for a Veto on any potentially damaging bills.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2003-04-27 07:05pm

The New Roman Empire rejects all proposals made by the Floater Republic and Monacora. We will not be parley to any sort of United Planets nor we will sign any treaty limiting our defensive options.

You do not have to be parley to anything. Those nations with an interest in the United Planets may join. No soveriegn nation will be forced into anything.

Enjoy your insularism. Your signature is not required on any treaties between civilized nations.

Never the less, I would wager that all nations present will want to write up some sort of Geneva Convention, to limit the usage of genocide weapons in any conflict to come.

Post by **Beowulf** » 2003-04-27 07:30pm

Spyder wrote:The Minmatar would like to propose Christchurch, New Zealand as a site for the UP headquarters.

Nice of you to volunteer a place you don't control.

Post by **weemadando** » 2003-04-27 07:31pm

The Anti-Troll Jihad offers our catering services to all members of the UP.

Straha · Post by **Straha** » 2003-04-27 07:41pm

Here's my Idea for the UP. Why not have it so, that instead of it being a great big regulatory location, it is more of a gentlemen's club for proposing new treaties which would only affect those who signed them that means that if the NRE doesn't want to sign on to a treaty it doesn't have to. The only necessary agreement that would have to be made when joining is that you would not use Nuclear Weapons against innocent civillians.

Spyder · Post by **Spyder** » 2003-04-27 07:41pm

Beowulf wrote:
Spyder wrote:The Minmatar would like to propose Christchurch, New Zealand as a site for the UP headquarters.
Nice of you to volunteer a place you don't control.

It's contested.

Straha · Post by **Straha** » 2003-04-27 07:42pm

weemadando wrote:The Anti-Troll Jihad offers our catering services to all members of the UP.

Do you have Indian food?

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2003-04-27 07:44pm

Here's my Idea for the UP. Why not have it so, that instead of it being a great big regulatory location, it is more of a gentlemen's club for proposing new treaties which would only affect those who signed them that means that if the NRE doesn't want to sign on to a treaty it doesn't have to. The only necessary agreement that would have to be made when joining is that you would not use Nuclear Weapons against innocent civillians

Sounds good to me!

By the way, you'll want to expand that part about nuclear weapons. There is little difference between fractional-C kinetic strikes and nuclear bombardment. We will need some sort of legislation about ANY WMD.

Post by **Beowulf** » 2003-04-27 07:45pm

Straha wrote:Here's my Idea for the UP. Why not have it so, that instead of it being a great big regulatory location, it is more of a gentlemen's club for proposing new treaties which would only affect those who signed them that means that if the NRE doesn't want to sign on to a treaty it doesn't have to. The only necessary agreement that would have to be made when joining is that you would not use Nuclear Weapons against innocent civillians.

Nuclear, or nuclear equivalent. Some weapons could have a high enough yield to rival a nuclear bomb, but not be nuclear.

Straha · Post by **Straha** » 2003-04-27 07:48pm

Beowulf wrote:
Straha wrote:Here's my Idea for the UP. Why not have it so, that instead of it being a great big regulatory location, it is more of a gentlemen's club for proposing new treaties which would only affect those who signed them that means that if the NRE doesn't want to sign on to a treaty it doesn't have to. The only necessary agreement that would have to be made when joining is that you would not use Nuclear Weapons against innocent civillians.
Nuclear, or nuclear equivalent. Some weapons could have a high enough yield to rival a nuclear bomb, but not be nuclear.

How about this, no deliberate killing of civillians, that's it, end of story.

Also how about encouraging nations ::COUGH COUGH NRE COUGH COUGH:: to agree to this by enforicing trade restrictions on those who don't join the UP.

Post by **weemadando** » 2003-04-27 07:53pm

Straha wrote:

How about this, no deliberate killing of civillians, that's it, end of story.

Also how about encouraging nations ::COUGH COUGH NRE COUGH COUGH:: to agree to this by enforicing trade restrictions on those who don't join the UP.

Fuck that. If I want to be a genocidal maniac then damnit I will be.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2003-04-27 07:53pm

How about this, no deliberate killing of civillians, that's it, end of story.

Also how about encouraging nations ::COUGH COUGH NRE COUGH COUGH:: to agree to this by enforicing trade restrictions on those who don't join the UP.

While all Floater Republics will work to stop the deliberate killing of civilians who ply the spaceways, I would assume that many powers will relish opportunities to destroy enemy factories, colonies, and orbitals- as well as prey on shipping lanes. An all-inclusive ban on killing civilians may awake anger among some star-nations.

The Floater Republics will not take part in any organization which uses force, either physical or enconomic, to force others into compliance. If the UP enforces trade sanctions against nations based merely on their unwillingness to join the UP, then the United Planets can exist without Floater support.

Straha · Post by **Straha** » 2003-04-27 07:54pm

weemadando wrote:
Straha wrote:

How about this, no deliberate killing of civillians, that's it, end of story.

Also how about encouraging nations ::COUGH COUGH NRE COUGH COUGH:: to agree to this by enforicing trade restrictions on those who don't join the UP.
Fuck that. If I want to be a genocidal maniac then damnit I will be.

But would you still be offering food to us?

Straha · Post by **Straha** » 2003-04-27 07:55pm

Thirdfain wrote:
How about this, no deliberate killing of civillians, that's it, end of story.

Also how about encouraging nations ::COUGH COUGH NRE COUGH COUGH:: to agree to this by enforicing trade restrictions on those who don't join the UP.
While all Floater Republics will work to stop the deliberate killing of civilians who ply the spaceways, I would assume that many powers will relish opportunities to destroy enemy factories, colonies, and orbitals- as well as prey on shipping lanes. An all-inclusive ban on killing civilians may awake anger among some star-nations.

The Floater Republics will not take part in any organization which uses force, either physical or enconomic, to force others into compliance. If the UP enforces trade sanctions against nations based merely on their unwillingness to join the UP, then the United Planets can exist without Floater support.

Fair enough, scratch the trade restrictions idea.

How about making it illegal to kill Citizens where they are not harming you, or your nation?

Spyder · Post by **Spyder** » 2003-04-27 07:56pm

Straha wrote:
Beowulf wrote:
Nuclear, or nuclear equivalent. Some weapons could have a high enough yield to rival a nuclear bomb, but not be nuclear.

How about this, no deliberate killing of civillians, that's it, end of story.

Also how about encouraging nations ::COUGH COUGH NRE COUGH COUGH:: to agree to this by enforicing trade restrictions on those who don't join the UP.

The Minmatar will not support any action to undertake the forceful membership of otherwise unwilling nations to join the UP.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2003-04-27 07:58pm

Fair enough, scratch the trade restrictions idea.

How about making it illegal to kill Citizens where they are not harming you, or your nation?

Excellent!

The Free Floater Republics would give such a treaty their full support.