[STGOD] United Planets

[HemlockGrey]

The caesar and the Senate consider any weapon purposely used to depopulate a planet or colony to be a weapon of mass destruction.

[Sea Skimmer]

The caesar and the Senate consider any weapon purposely used to depopulate a planet or colony to be a weapon of mass destruction.

That would include any weapon in existence. You define by intent of use, but there are few weapons that couldn't be fired at a surface installation that are normally used for ship to ship.

[HemlockGrey]

For the purpose of this coalition, any power depopulating a civilian installation will be considered in material breach.

[Thirdfain]

Here's an idea- In any instance of planetary bombardment where any power complains that they have had weapons used on them with intent of genocide, the UP can look at the situation on a case-by case basis. If a nation is found guilty of commiting genocide, regardless of the weapons used, then the UP can take action- preferably military action.

[HemlockGrey]

The New Roman Empire requests that such a coalition be independent of the United Planets, as it is given to understand that the UP is merely a forum for discussion, not a military tribunal.

[Alyrium Denryle]

As the Minister of Sin I am authorised to act in my emperors stead on matters of state. So long as it involves some sort of sin...and because this is politics...

[Thirdfain]

The New Roman Empire requests that such a coalition be independent of the United Planets, as it is given to understand that the UP is merely a forum for discussion, not a military tribunal.

If the anti-genocide bill is of UP manufacture, then it will be monitored and enforced by UP nations and a UP-appointed military tribunal.

If we decide that the anti- genocide bill is universal, like the Geneva accord, then a seperate military tribunal should be formed.

[HemlockGrey]

Though the Empire is not a member of the United Planets, the caesar wishes to assure it's signatories that it will help enforce any resolutions against mass depopulation.

[Alyrium Denryle]

Durandal's empire wishes to join the UP.

Here's an idea- In any instance of planetary bombardment where any power complains that they have had weapons used on them with intent of genocide, the UP can look at the situation on a case-by case basis. If a nation is found guilty of commiting genocide, regardless of the weapons used, then the UP can take action- preferably military action.

How would the UP define genocide in this case? Orbital bombardments in a time of war aare often necessary, and lmiting this option would be a grave detriment.

[Thirdfain]

The Floater Republics would like to propose that the agreement against Genocide be universal, and not limited to those who are members of the UP, and that a military tribunal be drawn up from neutral parties to investigate usage of WMB for the purpose of genocide, in the event of a planetary bombardment or attack on an orbital which causes a power to assert that thye have been a target of genocide.

[HemlockGrey]

The caesar and the Senate concur with the Floater Republics and requests entrance into the tribunal. However, it stipulates that precision orbital bombardment of pure military targets be allowed.

[Alyrium Denryle]

The Floater Republics would like to propose that the agreement against Genocide be universal, and not limited to those who are members of the UP, and that a military tribunal be drawn up from neutral parties to investigate usage of WMB for the purpose of genocide, in the event of a planetary bombardment or attack on an orbital which causes a power to assert that thye have been a target of genocide.

If that is the case anyone could claim to be target of genocide...How would the UP define it?

I would define it thus..

Any act targeted at a specific non-militry designation of people/aliens with the intent of destroying them.

[SirNitram]

The caesar and the Senate concur with the Floater Republics and requests entrance into the tribunal. However, it stipulates that precision orbital bombardment of pure military targets be allowed.

Speaking for the Lost, those who are largely refugees from such horrific actions, I hereby fully support, along with the Romans, the creation of such a tribunal. What measures will be taken against a Tribunal member seeking to use their position as a shield against charges?

[HemlockGrey]

The New Roman Empire suggests planetary sterilization and enslavement of the populace.

[Stormbringer]

The caesar and the Senate concur with the Floater Republics and requests entrance into the tribunal. However, it stipulates that precision orbital bombardment of pure military targets be allowed.

The Asgard Empire agrees to the tribunal but opposses the NRE sitting on it as they have demonstrated a clear belligerence to other nations.


We would as like seek clarification as to the definition. What of resisting planetary populations or retaliatory strikes?

[Thirdfain]

However, it stipulates that precision orbital bombardment of pure military targets be allowed

The Free Floater Republics agree wholeheartedly.

The caesar and the Senate concur with the Floater Republics and requests entrance into the tribunal.

the Floater Republics request that the membership of the tribunal reflect who is invloved in any single case. Say that a UPK warship were to set of nukes in a Floater Cluster, causing great loss of life, and leading to the Free Floater Republics citing the event as genocide. The Tribunal which investigated the tragedy would include neither Floaters nor representatives of the UPK, and members would be chosen from powers neutral in the conflict.

[HemlockGrey]

The caesar and the Senate concur with the Floater Republics.

[Alyrium Denryle]

If provisions are taken that powerful members wi ot be able to shield themselves from charges, Durandals Empire will accept such a resolution.

[Thirdfain]

Excellent! think I shouuld start a thread which will act as a document for different powers to sign up on, for the anti-genocide treaty?

[Alyrium Denryle]

I concur...now who is going to do it?

[Sea Skimmer]

The Kokand Empire would support an anti genocide treaty, attacks aimed at reducing or removing the viability of a species should not be tolerated. But it would remind all signatories that the power of modern weapons can bring a considerable death toll even when used with restraint.

It however will not agreed to any form of standing tribunal.

[Seggybop]

Genocide is organized elimination of certain types of people in an attempt to exterminate that type totally. The examples being given aren't genocide, they are simple mass-murder.

[Sea Skimmer]

What measures will be taken against a Tribunal member seeking to use their position as a shield against charges?

The Kokand Empire has a simple solution to such a problem. Do not have a standing tribunal. Genocidal crimes are not likely to be often an issue, and a tribunal could also be created after the fact, assuming that a trial under the civilization effected wasn't possibul.

[Thirdfain]

That's exactly what my suggested tribunal is like- created expressely for a single event.

[Stormbringer]

The Asgard would like to point out that there are cases where genocide may become a military necessity. What should be done in those cases?