Darth Wong wrote:While I have no doubt that Hussein wanted to keep WMD around, is it not possible that the technical requirements overwhelmed them? When you look at how pitiful the state of their armed forces was, how they were firing dud RPG's at American vehicles, etc., how do we know they could actually keep a viable WMD program going even if they tried?
He doesn't necessarilly need to keep manufacturing them all the time but rather hold on to what he had. That's much simpler and is within the scope of his ability. It's also possible, as has been shown, that he was making them on a small scale.
They would be a top priority since they would be the only hope he had to hold off the US or any major attacker.
Darth Wong wrote:While I have no doubt that Hussein wanted to keep WMD around, is it not possible that the technical requirements overwhelmed them? When you look at how pitiful the state of their armed forces was, how they were firing dud RPG's at American vehicles, etc., how do we know they could actually keep a viable WMD program going even if they tried?
Are you refering to the condition and fighting readiness of their armored divisions? Perhaps one of our mech vets could tell us how maintenance-intensive tracked vehicles are (Jegs?) because I believe Iraq was unable to buy replacement parts for them under the embargo. If true, then wouldn't their training would have to be cut way back in order to keep them in the field?
Couple that with the fact that the advantages the coalitions held over them in 91 has only increased would only make them seem that much more ineffective.
The RPG's: couldn't that be more a manufacturer defect (soviet?) than a soldier's ineptitude with the weapon? When were they purchased? Is there a shelf life on them? I don't know. Anyone?
The only program I think they would have a serious problem sustaining would be a nuclear one. As to the others (Chem or Bio), time will tell.
Phil Skayhan wrote:
The RPG's: couldn't that be more a manufacturer defect (soviet?)
Soviet standard small arms are quite reliable, well-made weapons.
than a soldier's ineptitude with the weapon? When were they purchased? Is there a shelf life on them? I don't know. Anyone?
They were very old rounds. In 1991 2 out of 3 didn't work when the Coalition tried out captured examples. I doubt after 10 years on the shelf they'd get better.
Why would 'pesticide' be loaded in missiles? Sort of a disposable crop duster?
The pesticides were in barrels. The warheads were not loaded with anything, last I heard- these were two seperate 'finds' in two seperate places.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but no weapons have yet. If I'm not mistaken, "President" Bush stated that the search still going. Doesn't matter really, none of the justifications for this war panned out anyway.
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Shinigami wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong, but no weapons have yet. If I'm not mistaken, "President" Bush stated that the search still going. Doesn't matter really, none of the justifications for this war panned out anyway.
Dammit, this is pissing me off. Quit putting 'President' in quotations every time it is said. He is the freaking president, whether you like it or not, so STFU. This bullcrap about it being an 'illegitimate regime' has just driven me to my last damn nerve.
Mr. B wrote:Where are the vast stockpiles the president said existed in Iraq?
Under my bed, don't tell the Americans.
"Oh no, oh yeah, tell me how can it be so fair
That we dying younger hiding from the police man over there
Just for breathing in the air they wanna leave me in the chair
Electric shocking body rocking beat streeting me to death"
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Lord of the Farce wrote:
*Quickly hides stockpile of crude oil under the mattress, and sits down on top of the misshapen lump*
What?
Hmmm, there isn't any evidence or rumors of you being an evil despot as well is there? Haven't been torturing any siblings or pets? A roommate or two perhaps?
Oh wait, you live in Australia. That's no where near Israel I guess we'll have to let this one slidealthough that oil is mighty tempting.
By the pricking of my thumb,
Something wicked this way comes.
Open, locks,
Whoever knocks.
Captain Lennox wrote:Well it's obvious Saddam flushing them down the tiolet.
The USMC did find poisons in some of the waterways and the countries sewer system is in poor shape.......
"This cult of special forces is as sensible as to form a Royal Corps of Tree Climbers and say that no soldier who does not wear its green hat with a bunch of oak leaves stuck in it should be expected to climb a tree"
— Field Marshal William Slim 1956
Lord of the Farce wrote:*Quickly hides stockpile of crude oil under the mattress, and sits down on top of the misshapen lump*
What?
[Bush] We have conclusive evidence that Lord of the Farce is a terrorist threat to America. Our spy sattelites show that he is stockpiling plastic drinking straws and spitballs, as well as rubber bands and wet towels. We have officially declared Farce a part of the Axis of Evil. [/Bush]
[Powell] This is the game-plan: We're going to take out certain military installations where spitballs and plastic straws could be hidden with precision-guided monkey turd. Wet towels most likely are hidden in in the closet, and the 3rd infanticide division will be deployed with explicit orders to kill all living things in an effort to secure this position. The most important target for us to hit, though, is under the mattress. We believe... hehe... we believe that there are stockpiles of... hahaha... rubber bands and... HAHAHAHA. I'm sorry, guys. I can't even say this with a straight face. We're gonna go in and fuck up that Farce sonovabitch 'cuz he's hiding oil from us. And then we're gonna take his oil and make like mad! They'll never know what hit 'em, poor Aussie bastards! MWAHAHAHAHA! [/Powell]
ahem.
Yeah. It's like that.
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Shinigami wrote:Correct me if I'm wrong, but no weapons have yet. If I'm not mistaken, "President" Bush stated that the search still going. Doesn't matter really, none of the justifications for this war panned out anyway.
Dammit, this is pissing me off. Quit putting 'President' in quotations every time it is said. He is the freaking president, whether you like it or not, so STFU.
Fuck you, that guy doesn't represent me and he wasn't elected. He's a sit-in Tommy-boy.
This bullcrap about it being an 'illegitimate regime' has just driven me to my last damn nerve.
Was he elected?
No!! So I'll stick with the quotations. Suck on it. Suck.....on......it. And when you're done, suck on it some more.
random kid in the next town- We're playing "Harry Potter"!
Cartman- Ha, FAGS!!!
You need to get your feet off your head, and your pants to your ears and go help someone who HAS NO FEET! Because if foot-less animals can not walk over here on their little non-footed areas and tell us how hungry they are. I don't think they can.- Brak's Dad
Quick! Re-write the textbooks! Kennedy wasn't President!
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Crown wrote:Actually from memory it was; War on Terror -> War on states sponsering Terror -> War on regiem -> War on WMD -> War on terror -> War on regime -> War on WMD -> Saddam -> Liberation -> Moral
I'm pretty sure "He tried to kill my daddy!" was in there too.
Crown wrote:Actually from memory it was; War on Terror -> War on states sponsering Terror -> War on regiem -> War on WMD -> War on terror -> War on regime -> War on WMD -> Saddam -> Liberation -> Moral
I'm pretty sure "He tried to kill my daddy!" was in there too.
Well... maybe. But here's how I think it worked.
War for oil -> War for oil -> War for oil -> War for oil -> War for oil -> War for oil -> War for oil -> War for oil -> War for oil -> War for oil -> War for oil.
::Revises::
Yeah, that's about right, I think.
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--Whitman
Hmmm, there isn't any evidence or rumors of you being an evil despot as well is there? Haven't been torturing any siblings or pets? A roommate or two perhaps?
I guess we'll have to let this one slide
