[STGOD] Terra Convention- Anti-WMD Treaty

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2003-04-28 10:06am

Absolutly. Signatories assert that there is never a good reason to depopulate a planet, and agree that any war where genocide weapons are used will lead to dangerous escalation. MAD is not the answer, friends- we must agree to fight as civilized states. We can wage war without heading down the path to the total destruction of civilized life.

I can tell you- A total war will be fought with atom bombs, gene-tailored viruses, and hypervelocity kinetics. The war following that war will be fought with spears and stones.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-04-28 10:30am

Yes, lets make war less horrific so we can enjoy more of it. And indeed if the signatories thing so highly of preserving civilization then why does one of them ask that only members of this treaty be protected? Is it because they wish to still have some place to slaughter when it suits them. We think so.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2003-04-28 10:45am

Yes, lets make war less horrific so we can enjoy more of it. And indeed if the signatories thing so highly of preserving civilization then why does one of them ask that only members of this treaty be protected? Is it because they wish to still have some place to slaughter when it suits them. We think so.

War is often necessary. The purpose of this treaty is to make those wars which will inevitably occur less horrific and damaging to the innocents who will be drawn into conflict. The reason we are extending protection only to signatories is to ensure that a majority of nations will sign on, thus putting an end to the usage of genocide weapons.

No signatories of this treaty will be permitted to commit mass murder of anyone- signatories or non-signatories- the second provision assures this.

If two nations, neither of which have signed this treaty begin using Genocidal weapons against each other, then the treatis signatories will leave them be.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-04-28 10:54am

Thirdfain wrote:
War is often necessary. The purpose of this treaty is to make those wars which will inevitably occur less horrific and damaging to the innocents who will be drawn into conflict. The reason we are extending protection only to signatories is to ensure that a majority of nations will sign on, thus putting an end to the usage of genocide weapons.

So you bully known space into your treaty by threatening any who do not sign with destruction and genocide of there own people should some distant power decide they've gone to far.

I'm afraid such a course of action may force the Kokand Empire to form a deterrent force of sufficient strength to ensure no one will meddle in its affairs.

Cpt_Frank · Post by **Cpt_Frank** » 2003-04-28 10:57am

Sea Skimmer wrote: So you bully known space into your treaty by threatening any who do not sign with destruction and genocide of there own people should some distant power decide they've gone to far.

I'm afraid such a course of action may force the Kokand Empire to form a deterrent force of sufficient strength to ensure no one will meddle in its affairs.

The PIR offers the Kokand Empire full military support if it should be attacked by members of said treaty with WOMD.

Edit: and would of course also request military aid should the PIR be attacked by members of that treaty.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2003-04-28 11:03am

So you bully known space into your treaty by threatening any who do not sign with destruction and genocide of there own people should some distant power decide they've gone to far.

Absolutly not. Under no circumstance will treaty powers weild genocide weapons against ANYONE. This is a purely defensive treaty, formed to stop the use of mass-murder weapons.

Cpt_Frank · Post by **Cpt_Frank** » 2003-04-28 11:05am

Thirdfain wrote:
So you bully known space into your treaty by threatening any who do not sign with destruction and genocide of there own people should some distant power decide they've gone to far.
Absolutly not. Under no circumstance will treaty powers weild genocide weapons against ANYONE. This is a purely defensive treaty, formed to stop the use of mass-murder weapons.

It was hemlock grey's idea.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-04-28 11:08am

Cpt_Frank wrote:
The PIR offers the Kokand Empire full military support if it should be attacked by members of said treaty with WOMD.

Edit: and would of course also request military aid should the PIR be attacked by members of that treaty.

Agreed

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-04-28 11:10am

The Asgard is interested in securing a like to offer from the PIR.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2003-04-28 11:11am

If the NRI decides to become a signatory, they will be expected to avoid the usage of genocide weapons against anyone. If they do, they will be investigated by the rest of the treaty's signatories, and if found guilty, action will be taken. The purpose of this treaty, as I have said before, is to save the lives of innocent civilians.

As proof of my bona fides, keep in mind that we Floaters can field only a few hundred thousand ground soldiers, and are limited in our capacity to invade planets. Our best method of neutralizing an enemy world would be orbital bombardment.

Never the less, no power has pushed more than ours to disallow genocidal bombardments. If this treaty fails, then the Free Floater Republics will act unitlaterally against anyone who uses wanton destruction of innocents as a military or political tool.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-04-28 11:11am

Thirdfain wrote: Absolutly not. Under no circumstance will treaty powers weild genocide weapons against ANYONE. This is a purely defensive treaty, formed to stop the use of mass-murder weapons.

A defensive treaty would call for powers to aid a star nation under attack, not conduct reprisals at a later date.

Cpt_Frank · Post by **Cpt_Frank** » 2003-04-28 11:16am

Stormbringer wrote:The Asgard is interested in securing a like to offer from the PIR.

Very well.

@SeaSkimmer: fixed the quote.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-04-28 11:21am

Cpt_Frank wrote:
Stormbringer wrote:The Asgard is interested in securing a like to offer from the PIR.
Very well.

So we have a deal?

Cpt_Frank · Post by **Cpt_Frank** » 2003-04-28 11:26am

Stormbringer wrote:
Cpt_Frank wrote:
Stormbringer wrote:The Asgard is interested in securing a like to offer from the PIR.
Very well.
So we have a deal?

If it includes military assistance should the Asgard be attacked by treaty members with WOMD, yes.
I should however point out that we would also be interested in further developing our relations.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-04-28 11:32am

Cpt_Frank wrote:If it includes military assistance should the Asgard be attacked by treaty members with WOMD, yes.

Of course we would be interested.

Cpt_Frank wrote:I should however point out that we would also be interested in further developing our relations.

The Asgard are likewise interested in expanding our trade and military alliances.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-04-28 11:34am

Cpt_Frank wrote:
If it includes military assistance should the Asgard be attacked by treaty members with WOMD, yes.
I should however point out that we would also be interested in further developing our relations.

The Kokand Empire proposes that all three star nations and indeed any others seeking protection from this treaties threats enter into a single defensive pact. Together we will remain secure from any reprisals that much be launched against any one member.

Of curse this pact will need a suitable name if the idea is adapted...

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-04-28 11:37am

Sea Skimmer wrote:The Kokand Empire proposes that all three star nations and indeed any others seeking protection from this treaties threats enter into a single defensive pact. Together we will remain secure from any reprisals that much be launched against any one member.

Of curse this pact will need a suitable name if the idea is adapted...

Yes, such an idea has a great deal of merit. The notion of a mutual defensive pact sounds good. And I would offer to host the negotiations on our capital, Valhalla.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2003-04-28 11:47am

A defensive treaty would call for powers to aid a star nation under attack, not conduct reprisals at a later date.

That is exactly what the treaty does! The very purpose of the treaty is to provide defense and military assistance to powers which have been targetted by WMD.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-04-28 11:48am

Stormbringer wrote:

Yes, such an idea has a great deal of merit. The notion of a mutual defensive pact sounds good. And I would offer to host the negotiations on our capital, Valhalla.

That would be acceptable, though we feel the PIR should host such a meeting as the original creator of this Alliance.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-04-28 11:51am

Sea Skimmer wrote:That would be acceptable, though we feel the PIR should host such a meeting as the original creator of this Alliance.

It is merely our desire to facilitate the alliance. We would of course defer to the PIR if they desire it.

Cpt_Frank · Post by **Cpt_Frank** » 2003-04-28 12:07pm

The PIR woul be proud to host the negotiations on it's capital, and if no one objects, I will now go and create the thread.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2003-04-28 12:09pm

I see that the current draft of the Terra Convention is divisive and dangerous.

Please, before we start polarizing, I would request that those powers which reject the current Terra Convention please state what changes to the bill would make it acceptable.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-04-28 12:10pm

I have no objections to the PIR hosting the negotiations.

Cpt_Frank · Post by **Cpt_Frank** » 2003-04-28 12:19pm

the thread has been created.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-04-28 12:29pm

So noted, our star nations will leave the others to decide on there own fates in the galaxy