Attack Chopper

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-04-25 08:18am

It needs prominent optronic systems, or it's useless. Here's some inspiration

That's the Ka-50N prototype, with the Shkval EO system relocated to the nose and the FLIR being moutned on the chin.

Here's a better front on view

Kenny_10_Bellys · Post by **Kenny_10_Bellys** » 2003-04-25 09:20am

Dont worry, they're on there way. I'm going to put some bulbous stuff on the front at the sides of the chin gun and possibly above the cockpit area as well. I'm also going to put on a Russian style air data probe off-centre at the nose somewhere and a few other aerials, antennae, collision lights and such to finish it off. That's all small stuff though so it always goes on last.

Kenny_10_Bellys · Post by **Kenny_10_Bellys** » 2003-04-26 09:01pm

OK guys, probably one of the final posts in this thread. I've detailed the model somewhat and added decals, antennae, optronics, pilots, an air data probe and fixed one or two other things like making the blades sag when motionless. I've begun trying for a decent statuc beauty shot for the contest though and below are a couple of the attempts so far. The rest were even worse! Let me know if you have any ideas along which lines i should be going with the pics...

http://www.axeman3d.com/posts/helo12-1.jpg
http://www.axeman3d.com/posts/helo16-1.jpg

Darth Garden Gnome · Post by **Darth Garden Gnome** » 2003-04-26 09:05pm

Kenny_10_Bellys wrote:http://www.axeman3d.com/posts/helo12-1.jpg
http://www.axeman3d.com/posts/helo16-1.jpg

Dude, that kicks ass! I love the lighting, and the guns, and the sagging propellers; they're just gorgeous.

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2003-04-27 01:14am

Good stuff, but I'd drop the Russian flag on the side.

Kenny_10_Bellys · Post by **Kenny_10_Bellys** » 2003-04-27 07:01am

Why? I figured basically the only former Union state large enough to build or run something like this is Mother Russia.

Warspite · Post by **Warspite** » 2003-04-27 08:22am

Kenny_10_Bellys wrote:OK guys, probably one of the final posts in this thread. I've detailed the model somewhat and added decals, antennae, optronics, pilots, an air data probe and fixed one or two other things like making the blades sag when motionless. I've begun trying for a decent statuc beauty shot for the contest though and below are a couple of the attempts so far. The rest were even worse! Let me know if you have any ideas along which lines i should be going with the pics...

http://www.axeman3d.com/posts/helo12-1.jpg
http://www.axeman3d.com/posts/helo16-1.jpg

The first one has too much light, one doesn't see a lot of the model... Try doing a search for pics of aircraft presentations, it might help you the general aspect.

The second one looks good... very good, the angle of the camera is a tad too shallow, but it depends on the effect you whish to achieve.

Post by **Rob Wilson** » 2003-04-27 12:51pm

Everytime I see this with a weapons load out, all I can think is 'Little Nell'.

Einhander Sn0m4n · Post by **Einhander Sn0m4n** » 2003-04-27 01:46pm

Rob Wilson wrote:Everytime I see this with a weapons load out, all I can think is 'Little Nell'.

What does that mean?

Post by **Rob Wilson** » 2003-04-27 01:53pm

Einhander Sn0m4n wrote:
Rob Wilson wrote:Everytime I see this with a weapons load out, all I can think is 'Little Nell'.
What does that mean?

Not a James Bond fan then? Little Nelly

Kenny_10_Bellys · Post by **Kenny_10_Bellys** » 2003-04-27 02:18pm

Little Nelly, eh? Definitely the best Bond film ever, You Only Live Twice. It had pirhana fish, helicopters, Japanese babes, spaceships and hollowed out volcanoes. And Little nelly too of course.

I've started rendering a little 8 second animation of the Ka-65 flying over some snowy hills which should be finished tomorrow, but does anyone know where I can get some helicopter sound effects from??

Cpt_Frank · Post by **Cpt_Frank** » 2003-04-27 04:22pm

Kenny_10_Bellys wrote:Little Nelly, eh? Definitely the best Bond film ever, You Only Live Twice. It had pirhana fish, helicopters, Japanese babes, spaceships and hollowed out volcanoes. And Little nelly too of course.

I've started rendering a little 8 second animation of the Ka-65 flying over some snowy hills which should be finished tomorrow, but does anyone know where I can get some helicopter sound effects from??

Add a red star.

Post by **Rob Wilson** » 2003-04-27 04:40pm

Kenny_10_Bellys wrote: I've started rendering a little 8 second animation of the Ka-65 flying over some snowy hills which should be finished tomorrow, but does anyone know where I can get some helicopter sound effects from??

Some free sound effects here

And a large library of Helicopter related ones here, plus three little helicopter effects here and a General Effects Library here

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-04-27 06:07pm

Rob Wilson wrote:Everytime I see this with a weapons load out, all I can think is 'Little Nell'.

No air to air flamethrowers however

Post by **Rob Wilson** » 2003-04-27 07:26pm

Sea Skimmer wrote:
Rob Wilson wrote:Everytime I see this with a weapons load out, all I can think is 'Little Nell'.
No air to air flamethrowers however

But hopefully a Helmet mounted-camera.

Kenny_10_Bellys · Post by **Kenny_10_Bellys** » 2003-04-28 01:00pm

I wonder why air-to-air flame throwers never caught on?

Just to prove all you nay-sayers wrong with your prognostications of doom I decided to show you all that not only does this helicopter fly, it's actually quite maneouverable (if a bit twitchy). Look close as it comes past again and you'll even see the chin turret swivel around a bit. It's not my best work, I rendered it at D1 NTSC standard to see how it looks and the timing was all bollocks, so I had to stretch it to the right time in Adone After-Effects. If anyone can put sound to this I'd be grateful, I no longer have any sound editing software on this PC capable of doing this.

http://www.axeman3d.com/posts/Ka65.avi
It's in DivX 5.03 format, just over 750k - 8 seconds long.

Post by **Rob Wilson** » 2003-04-28 01:07pm

Kenny_10_Bellys wrote:I wonder why air-to-air flame throwers never caught on?

Just to prove all you nay-sayers wrong with your prognostications of doom I decided to show you all that not only does this helicopter fly, it's actually quite maneouverable (if a bit twitchy). Look close as it comes past again and you'll even see the chin turret swivel around a bit. It's not my best work, I rendered it at D1 NTSC standard to see how it looks and the timing was all bollocks, so I had to stretch it to the right time in Adone After-Effects. If anyone can put sound to this I'd be grateful, I no longer have any sound editing software on this PC capable of doing this.

http://www.axeman3d.com/posts/Ka65.avi
It's in DivX 5.03 format, just over 750k - 8 seconds long.

Looks good, though maybe the undercarriage could be retracted. Looking at it, I have to say that 'Hatchet' fits it to a tee as a NATO codename, small and capable of doing lots of damage in the right hands.

Kenny_10_Bellys · Post by **Kenny_10_Bellys** » 2003-04-28 05:03pm

I looked at retractable gear early on and dismissed it as a luxury not required on an attack chopper of this type. It's not like it's stealthy in any way, and the drag from the weapons must be quite bad anyway. Choppers aren't noted for their speed either, so I dismissed it. Having said that I think it would make for a cool animation of a take-off if I have it lift off in a cloud od dust and the wheels swing up out of the way once it gets a little airborne. The wheels will just be recessed or held up out of the way like a duck, no room for fancy doors and pods on this thing.

Kenny_10_Bellys · Post by **Kenny_10_Bellys** » 2003-04-29 04:11pm

OK guys, here it is in glorious technicolour with retracting undercarriage and sound effects included. I'll have to remodel the wheels properly tomorrow, basically build a recess for the nosewheel and cut a couple of small slots for the rear ones, but nothing too complex. the wheels will just be held up out of the way 'Joe 90 Flying Car' style and not actually housed anywhere, there simply isn't room

It's about 800k, DivX again...

http://www.axeman3d.com/posts/Ka65-takeoff.avi

Warspite · Post by **Warspite** » 2003-04-29 05:45pm

Looks very, very good!

Post by **Rob Wilson** » 2003-04-29 07:34pm

Kenny_10_Bellys wrote:OK guys, here it is in glorious technicolour with retracting undercarriage and sound effects included. I'll have to remodel the wheels properly tomorrow, basically build a recess for the nosewheel and cut a couple of small slots for the rear ones, but nothing too complex. the wheels will just be held up out of the way 'Joe 90 Flying Car' style and not actually housed anywhere, there simply isn't room

It's about 800k, DivX again...

http://www.axeman3d.com/posts/Ka65-takeoff.avi

Nice work on the Undercarriage slcking off as it lifts, and the Sensor package on the side of the turret (though it will get blinded by the gun firing, which is why they are normally set away from the guns axis), Perhaps a ball system set just above the cockpit - in the area of the black line - just to be different and to give it a good hull down fire position if needed.