[STGOD] defensive pact negotiations (on New Beijing)

Cpt_Frank · Post by **Cpt_Frank** » 2003-04-28 12:11pm

I hereby welcome the two great leaders, of the Asgard, and the Kokand Empire, on the PIR's capital planet New Beijing.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-04-28 12:21pm

The Asgard would propose that if any nation in the pact is attacked, especially with WMDs, the other two should provide direct military assistance and support.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-04-28 12:26pm

Other powers within known space are now attempting to create a treaty to restrict "weapons of mass destruction" and their employment. The treaty is highly subjective and could thus be easily used against other star nations. It claims to be defensive, yet threatens non-members with reprisals. In fact what it is, is quite clear. It is a dangerous political tool and one, which must be countered.

The Kokand Empire proposes a three way military alliance between our great star nations. Each nation would come to the aid of another if it fell under attack by forces using the treaty as an excuse or by forces using WMD. Unlike the treaty that threatens us, this treaty would call for genuine direct defensive assistance, rather then reprisals at a later date.

We also would like to propose an expansion of this Alliance to include normal defensive arrangements; such a treaty already exists between Kokand and the Asgard.

Cpt_Frank · Post by **Cpt_Frank** » 2003-04-28 12:29pm

Sea Skimmer wrote:We also would like to propose an expansion of this Alliance to include normal defensive arrangements; such a treaty already exists between Kokand and the Asgard.

The PIR favors such a treaty. I was thinking of something along the lines of military aid if a member of our pact is attacked by another power, and neutrality of a pact member attacks any other non-member power.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-04-28 12:33pm

Cpt_Frank wrote:
The PIR favors such a treaty. I was thinking of something along the lines of military aid if a member of our pact is attacked by another power, and neutrality of a pact member attacks any other non-member power.

But of course, however Kokand believes that even in the case of a war of aggression by a member, defensive aid should still be offered in the event of a WMD strike on there worlds.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-04-28 12:35pm

The ASE, would like to endorse the Kokand Empire's proposal. It is the best possible arrangement for all prospective members.

We will offer the same basing and mutal defense arrangements to the PIR as we offered the Kokand.

What will be the provisions for potential new members?

Cpt_Frank · Post by **Cpt_Frank** » 2003-04-28 12:35pm

Sea Skimmer wrote:
Cpt_Frank wrote:
The PIR favors such a treaty. I was thinking of something along the lines of military aid if a member of our pact is attacked by another power, and neutrality of a pact member attacks any other non-member power.
But of course, however Kokand believes that even in the case of a war of aggression by a member, defensive aid should still be offered in the event of a WMD strike on there worlds.

Agreed. I assume such an alliance would also include free trade between pact members?

(p.s. I'm off the board )for the next hour or so

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-04-28 12:37pm

Free trade would be a bonus, though a seperate issue. The Asgard and Kokand already have such a treaty and the Asgard are signatories to the ITA.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-04-28 12:46pm

Kokand would be quite willing to extend free trade to the PIR assuming the reverse was done as well, and also seeks confirmation on the G-3 dense metals mining agreement. Rights for Kokand to devolope the mines while cedeing 1/3 of production to the PIR.

As for new members, provided they agreed to the current alliance and where not signatories of the WMD/Anti genocide treaty I believe they would be welcome.

Kokand also proposes a name, the NEW BEIJING ALLIANCE.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2003-04-28 01:16pm

Other powers within known space are now attempting to create a treaty to restrict "weapons of mass destruction" and their employment. The treaty is highly subjective and could thus be easily used against other star nations. It claims to be defensive, yet threatens non-members with reprisals. In fact what it is, is quite clear. It is a dangerous political tool and one, which must be countered.

The Kokand Empire proposes a three way military alliance between our great star nations. Each nation would come to the aid of another if it fell under attack by forces using the treaty as an excuse or by forces using WMD. Unlike the treaty that threatens us, this treaty would call for genuine direct defensive assistance, rather then reprisals at a later date.

We also would like to propose an expansion of this Alliance to include normal defensive arrangements; such a treaty already exists between Kokand and the Asgard.

Your paranoid statements are simply not true. The ONLY purpose of the Terra Convention is to stop the usage of WMD s to cause mass murder.

Please, if you have any problems with the current draft of the treaty, outline them. Until an agreement of some sort can be reached, I will suspend the Terra Convention.

The purpose of the Terra Convention was to unite the galaxy on common ground, not cause divisiveness and factionalization.,

Cpt_Frank · Post by **Cpt_Frank** » 2003-04-28 01:17pm

Sea Skimmer wrote:Kokand would be quite willing to extend free trade to the PIR assuming the reverse was done as well,

Of course.

and also seeks confirmation on the G-3 dense metals mining agreement. Rights for Kokand to devolope the mines while cedeing 1/3 of production to the PIR.

Confirmed. The Kokand Empire can start mining immediately and use the existing facilities (though most of them are still battle-damaged) and your workers are protected by the PIR.

As for new members, provided they agreed to the current alliance and where not signatories of the WMD/Anti genocide treaty I believe they would be welcome.

Kokand also proposes a name, the NEW BEIJING ALLIANCE.

Of course the PIR feels honored and agrees.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-04-28 04:42pm

The Asgard Star Empire also formally agrees to the terms of the alliance.

Post by **Beowulf** » 2003-04-29 06:10pm

FROM: OU AMBASSADOR TO THE PIR
TO: THE GOVERNMENTS OF THE PIR, KOKAND EMPIRE, AND ASGARD EMPIRE
RE: NEW BEIJING ALLIANCE

We've heard rumors about an military self defence alliance between your nations. Our government would like to know if this is true, and if so, what are the terms and is the alliance looking for additional members?

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-04-29 06:23pm

Beowulf wrote:FROM: OU AMBASSADOR TO THE PIR
TO: THE GOVERNMENTS OF THE PIR, KOKAND EMPIRE, AND ASGARD EMPIRE
RE: NEW BEIJING ALLIANCE

We've heard rumors about an military self defence alliance between your nations. Our government would like to know if this is true, and if so, what are the terms and is the alliance looking for additional members?

It is no rumor. The ASE, PIR and Kokand Empire have entered into a mutual defense and trade pact know as the New Beijing Alliance. The Asgard would like to see the Alliance grow. We will consult our fellow members.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-04-29 07:56pm

The Kokand Empire is open to the idea of another member, but reserved about it. The webs of alliances and treaties are being too dense for them to matter.

Post by **Beowulf** » 2003-04-29 07:59pm

Sea Skimmer wrote:The Kokand Empire is open to the idea of another member, but reserved about it. The webs of alliances and treaties are being too dense for them to matter.

OOC: I get the feeling that this will go up into a very general war ala Europe in the the 1910's...

phongn · Post by **phongn** » 2003-04-29 08:02pm

The only way STGODs really live are when war breaks out

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-04-29 08:03pm

I'm not concerned about wars, it's more the matter that the alliances won't matter because everyone will be allied with both sides. Course Italy did declare war on its self at one point.

Post by **Beowulf** » 2003-04-29 08:06pm

There is a very good reason why I've only asked to join the NB Alliance, And only started a very limited treaty organization to prevent a very specific thing. And what kind of acronym is NBA?

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-04-29 08:19pm

Very well, you understand correctly that this pact is defensive to protect the involved star nations if they are attacked. Further more should a involved star nation come under attack via WMD against its civilians we will come to their aid, even if that conflict was started by them. This aid will be immediate and defensive.

Post by **Beowulf** » 2003-04-29 08:22pm

Sea Skimmer wrote:Very well, you understand correctly that this pact is defensive to protect the involved star nations if they are attacked. Further more should a involved star nation come under attack via WMD against its civilians we will come to their aid, even if that conflict was started by them. This aid will be immediate and defensive.

The OU understands this.

Cpt_Frank · Post by **Cpt_Frank** » 2003-04-30 03:21pm

There is a very good reason why I've only asked to join the NB Alliance, And only started a very limited treaty organization to prevent a very specific thing.

Indeed it is also the reason why I have few other treaties with other nations.
Anyways, the PIR would like to see the New Bejing Alliance grow.

Post by **Beowulf** » 2003-04-30 04:11pm

[OOC] *looks up the thread.* I assume that means I'm in, if this isn't correct, please tell me [/OOC]

The OU gracisously thanks the our new alliance partners for our acceptance into this alliance.

Cpt_Frank · Post by **Cpt_Frank** » 2003-04-30 04:27pm

Beowulf wrote:[OOC] *looks up the thread.* I assume that means I'm in, if this isn't correct, please tell me [/OOC]

The OU gracisously thanks the our new alliance partners for our acceptance into this alliance.

Indeed seems like you're in. *ahem*

The PIR welcomes the OU in the NBA.
May our great nations prosper, and may our combined military might strike fear into the hearts of our foes.

Raxmei · Post by **Raxmei** » 2003-05-01 05:14am

Due to the number of New Beijing allies who have approached the Skaven for relations, we have decided to apply for membership.