Yuzzhan Vong vs The Borg

Tychu · Post by **Tychu** » 2002-09-04 12:39am

who do you think would win. the Vong have a very good reason to fight, they hate machines and lets face it the Borg are all machine with humanlike bodies.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-09-04 12:48am

Of course the YV wound win. They use KE weapons and their ships stand up to weapons fire from SW ships. They would be able to Vongify all worlds in the Borg Collective in a matter of a few years at the most.

Darth Yoshi · Post by **Darth Yoshi** » 2002-09-04 12:49am

The Vong will cream the Borg. Imagine it like this. Islamic fundies in place of the Vong, versus the "infidels" instead of the Borg. The fundies have weapons in the gigaton range. The infidels have weapons in the megaton range. The Vong are willing to fight, and they have the tech advantage.

Dartzap · Post by **Dartzap** » 2002-09-05 01:40pm

well you see the unicomplex u se that borg planer near it then imagine the unicomplex on that planet being pulled down by a dovin basal than imagine a huge yv flett coming and bording all cubes no assimalation will work they will just rip the nanostars off they love pain they will kill all infidils

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2002-09-05 01:46pm

Evil Jerk · Post by **Evil Jerk** » 2002-09-05 02:38pm

Both have things in common, they both have all the tactical ability of a dead ant and when they win, it's because their enemy is even stupider than them.
If it weren't for both of their rigid doctrines, they'd probably be friends

Okay, I never miss a chance to insult the Vong dumb dumbs and the Borg dumber dumbs, but staying on topic.. the Vong win.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-09-05 05:24pm

antitrek wrote:well you see the unicomplex u se that borg planer near it then imagine the unicomplex on that planet being pulled down by a dovin basal than imagine a huge yv flett coming and bording all cubes no assimalation will work they will just rip the nanostars off they love pain they will kill all infidils

The Vong would win, but not for any reason there. This is essentially a Trekkie argument that has been repackaged in a SW box. It really presents no relevent information other than the assertio that they would win because antitrek said so.

Admiral Drason · Post by **Admiral Drason** » 2002-09-05 07:53pm

please if there creming the NR than the Borg dont have a chance.

Darth Yoshi · Post by **Darth Yoshi** » 2002-09-06 12:57am

The Vong are fanatical, and will throw away their lives without hesitation. However, the upper brass of the Vong do have tactical and strategical savvy, which is more than the Borg. Plus, Vong weapons are slightly below NR weapons in power, which is still more than enough to overpower Borg shields.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2002-09-06 01:02am

Lets see, the Vong can hold there own and win against the New Republic, the New Republic can hold its own and win against the Empire, the Empire has the Accumulator and things better then it.

The Accumulator could beat the Borg singly handily..

Vong win with a half dozen cruisers.

Robert Walper · Post by **Robert Walper** » 2002-09-06 02:44am

Question: How effective would Borg assimilation nanotechnology be against the Vong?

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2002-09-06 03:18am

Robert Walper wrote:Question: How effective would Borg assimilation nanotechnology be against the Vong?

That would seem to depend on how effective an immune system the Vong's biotech has and how quickly nano probes can replicate, and likely some other things I'm forgetting. That of course assumes the nanites will have any effect at all, as we all know the Borg have had trouble with advanced bio tech races in the past..

TheDarkling · Post by **TheDarkling** » 2002-09-06 07:16am

You are saying Vong>NR>Empire>Borg except for a few things this would have some validity.

Empire>NR.
Empire>Vong.
France>NR.

The vong are a joke and the empire would have vaped them on site and they could have easily beat the NR in a straight up fight (except for some reason within 1 year of ROTJ they have lost 24,000 ships somehow (since during the first X wing book its stated that 100 old ships could give effective control of the galaxy to tthe finder yet at this point 100 ships wouldnt be anything to the empire which should be 25,000 ISD's strong - very odd indeed).

You also forget that Vong technol,ogy isnt pure power its tricksetc which is ST stock in trade.

However the Borg may still fall because their tacticle know who is exactly the sort that was used leading upto the NR getting crushed except the Borg dont have politics controling their actions just stupidity.

Darth Yoshi · Post by **Darth Yoshi** » 2002-09-07 12:31am

Indeed. The Second Alliance pulled off the Borleias battle pretty well, especially since politicians weren't looking over their collective shoulder.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-09-07 12:52am

Who voted for the Borg and why?

Typhonis 1 · Post by **Typhonis 1** » 2002-09-07 03:14am

My guess would be Dorkstar MOO.

Corran Horn · Post by **Corran Horn** » 2002-09-07 08:11am

A word for all u Trekkies

Borg mostly Machines

Vong hate Machines

NO more Borg

NOTHING from star trek is strong

Every thing there could be crushed by the empire
OR even the Remainment

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2002-09-07 11:13am

Robert Walper wrote:Question: How effective would Borg assimilation nanotechnology be against the Vong?

Well, first it would have to get them, and given the explanation given in Traitor, IT looks like the tubes can't get throught the armor. Which means the Borg hve to stap them in a place where the armor doesn't cover, which is not likely if a drone is doint it. In addition, according to the NJO SB, the Vong will lop off or cleanse (read as have the flesh burned off) and part of the body that touches technology. So those Probes would have to move fast to another part of the body instead of starting the assimilation right there. Then the probes have to assimilate every organism the Vong has on him. All those implants have to be dealt with seperatly. If the probes are injected into a implanted limb, that is what will be assimilated, not the Vong. Finally the Vong will probably kill him/herself as soon as they realize what is happening if all those factors are overcome.

So I don't see assimilation as being too viable.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 2002-09-07 04:36pm

Sea Skimmer wrote:Lets see, the Vong can hold there own and win against the New Republic, the New Republic can hold its own and win against the Empire, the Empire has the Accumulator and things better then it.

The Accumulator could beat the Borg singly handily..

Vong win with a half dozen cruisers.

By this reasoning the Empire should have defeated the Rebel Alliance. Just by having the ability to make Death Stars didn't guarantee the Empire's victory. The same could be said of the Vong and Borg. I'm not criticizing you, Sea Skimmer, but just making the point that just because the Vong can go toe to toe with the NR because of their success against the Empire doesn't automatically mean they would beat the Borg.

I don't know enough about the Vong to say either way though.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 2002-09-07 04:37pm

I remember that there was a Voyager episode in which the Borg had developed an airborne assimilation virus. Does anyone remember that? If you do, do you think that would be effective against the Vong?

Crayz9000 · Post by **Crayz9000** » 2002-09-07 04:45pm

The Taliban (sorry, I mean Yuuzhan Vong) would declare Jihad against the Borg. They'd also get insanely angry if any warrior gets assimilated.

In short, the Borg would probably get their collective asses handed to them.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 2002-09-07 06:08pm

If the Borg assimilated a Vong, would the entire collective self destruct due to the fact that the Vong hate technology? The Vong drone would implant the command to self destruct in the entire collective..... That may sound absurd, but how many times did the Federation pull stunts similar to that against the Borg?

Crayz9000 · Post by **Crayz9000** » 2002-09-07 06:13pm

Commander LeoRo wrote:If the Borg assimilated a Vong, would the entire collective self destruct due to the fact that the Vong hate technology? The Vong drone would implant the command to self destruct in the entire collective..... That may sound absurd, but how many times did the Federation pull stunts similar to that against the Borg?

I don't know if that's even possible. I mean, yes, in VOY: Endgame Admiral Janeway (blech) infected herself with an anti-Borg virus and then let herself get assimilated.

But to be honest, I'd rather just completely ignore Endgame, due to the fact that it created a nice time paradox and thus, logically, the events of that episode should have never taken place.

So, the Vong against TNG-era Borg? It would be a fight worth seeing.

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2002-09-07 06:15pm

Crayz9000 wrote:The Taliban (sorry, I mean Yuuzhan Vong) would declare Jihad against the Borg. They'd also get insanely angry if any warrior gets assimilated.

In short, the Borg would probably get their collective asses handed to them.

I think the first books of NJO were published before 9-11

Crayz9000 · Post by **Crayz9000** » 2002-09-07 06:21pm

Grand Admiral Thrawn wrote: I think the first books of NJO were published before 9-11

Yes, I know that. It was just a passing potshot that I couldn't resist; the Yuuzhan Vong resemble Islam in many ways: intolerance of other's religions (replace religion with technology) fanaticism (Jihad vs... well... you get the idea)...

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