Is fishing a cruel sport?

InnerBrat · Post by **InnerBrat** » 2003-04-30 12:24pm

Given this article claiming fish feel pain...

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2003-04-30 12:30pm

PETA tried to ban fishing here last year.

They failed.

I personally don't like animal cruelty and I never really got into fishing, but as this tells PETA to fuck off I am content that it will carry on.

Fox hunting is more my target for banning.

Montcalm · Post by **Montcalm** » 2003-04-30 12:30pm

I think its cruel only if you cut the line and leave the hook on the fish.
if you`re not going to eat what you catch don`t do it.

InnerBrat · Post by **InnerBrat** » 2003-04-30 12:33pm

Admiral Valdemar wrote:PETA tried to ban fishing here last year.

They failed.

I personally don't like animal cruelty and I never really got into fishing, but as this tells PETA to fuck off I am content that it will carry on.

Fox hunting is more my target for banning.

Yeah, fox hunting strikes a nerve with me. not just because foxes are mammals (and therefore obviously feel pain) but because of the damage packs of dogs and horses do to farmland and becuase of all the 'pest control' crap the CA spew out.

Montcalm, what does it matter whether you leave the hook in or not if the fish dies anyway?

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2003-04-30 12:37pm

I think he's talking about catch and release. You catch the fish and then let it go. But some leave the hook in and just cut the line when the let it go.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2003-04-30 12:39pm

neoolong wrote:I think he's talking about catch and release. You catch the fish and then let it go. But some leave the hook in and just cut the line when the let it go.

Which is just as wrong as leaving the fish on the canal or river bank.

InnerBrat · Post by **InnerBrat** » 2003-04-30 12:39pm

neoolong wrote:I think he's talking about catch and release. You catch the fish and then let it go. But some leave the hook in and just cut the line when the let it go.

Oh, OK, never mind

Batman · Post by **Batman** » 2003-04-30 12:44pm

Montcalm wrote:I think its cruel only if you cut the line and leave the hook on the fish.
if you`re not going to eat what you catch don`t do it.

I don't think it's as easy as that. While I wholeheartedly agree with the 'don't fish for what you won't eat' part, it's not like the fish dies immediately upon leaving the water. If you leave him to suffocate or worse, put him in a bucket of water to suffocate more slowly (assuming you leave him there for more than a few minutes), I would argue that yes, that is cruel.If the fish is killed speedily, I don't see how fishing can be considered crueler than hunting game or birds. As long as it is for consumption I have no problem with that- for man to eat meat means that some animal somewhere has to die no matter what.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2003-04-30 01:13pm

I want to know why the fuck people ever thought fish couldn't feel pain. If I go down to my fishtank and tap the side of it, the catfish will swim into his pipe. If he didn't feel pain, why would he have a survival instinct?

Hell if you hit a shark on the nose it feels pain.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2003-04-30 01:14pm

NecronLord wrote:I want to know why the fuck people ever thought fish couldn't feel pain. If I go down to my fishtank and tap the side of it, the catfish will swim into his pipe. If he didn't feel pain, why would he have a survival instinct?

Aww, catfish are cute with their whiskers and flat heads and stuff.

Col. Crackpot · Post by **Col. Crackpot** » 2003-04-30 01:20pm

Admiral Valdemar wrote:
NecronLord wrote:I want to know why the fuck people ever thought fish couldn't feel pain. If I go down to my fishtank and tap the side of it, the catfish will swim into his pipe. If he didn't feel pain, why would he have a survival instinct?
Aww, catfish are cute with their whiskers and flat heads and stuff.

and they are tasty pan fried in with cornmeal.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2003-04-30 01:21pm

Admiral Valdemar wrote: Aww, catfish are cute with their whiskers and flat heads and stuff.

Actually he kind of looks like Moya from farscape with fins and scales. The whiskers aren't that prominent.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2003-04-30 01:21pm

Col. Crackpot wrote:
Admiral Valdemar wrote:
NecronLord wrote:I want to know why the fuck people ever thought fish couldn't feel pain. If I go down to my fishtank and tap the side of it, the catfish will swim into his pipe. If he didn't feel pain, why would he have a survival instinct?
Aww, catfish are cute with their whiskers and flat heads and stuff.
and they are tasty pan fried in with cornmeal.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Post by **NecronLord** » 2003-04-30 01:22pm

Col. Crackpot wrote:and they are tasty pan fried in with cornmeal.

Fucked up american.

Valdemar. Prepare the VRSA.....

Queeb Salaron · Post by **Queeb Salaron** » 2003-04-30 01:24pm

Col. Crackpot wrote:and they are tasty pan fried in with cornmeal.

Again, someone makes a comment about eating someone else's pet, and doesn't get yelled at for it. ::Sighs:: I dislike people less and less every day.

But yes, this is true. Fried catfish is almost as good as gumbo, which is almost as good as crawfish pie, which is almost as good as jumbalaya.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2003-04-30 01:24pm

NecronLord wrote:
Col. Crackpot wrote:and they are tasty pan fried in with cornmeal.
Fucked up american.

Valdemar. Prepare the VR??.....

You have a green light.

Batman · Post by **Batman** » 2003-04-30 01:26pm

NecronLord wrote:I want to know why the fuck people ever thought fish couldn't feel pain. If I go down to my fishtank and tap the side of it, the catfish will swim into his pipe. If he didn't feel pain, why would he have a survival instinct?

You tap your fishtank and the poor bugger fears for his life?
Do I really want to know what usually follows the tapping ?

Hell if you hit a shark on the nose it feels pain.

Well, if it's in a position to return the favor I say go ahead. A Darwin Award in the making

Regarding catfish-that name's just weird. I have this mental image of a fish trying to catch and eat itself...

Post by **NecronLord** » 2003-04-30 01:26pm

Quick tell me the other letters of that so I can look knowlagable.

Queeb Salaron · Post by **Queeb Salaron** » 2003-04-30 01:26pm

Admiral Valdemar wrote:
NecronLord wrote:
Col. Crackpot wrote:and they are tasty pan fried in with cornmeal.
Fucked up american.

Valdemar. Prepare the VR??.....
You have a green light.

WAIT JUST A MINUTE!!!

Can we talk about BRITISH cuisine for a moment?! Turn off that damned green light right this instant!

Post by **NecronLord** » 2003-04-30 01:28pm

Queeb Salaron wrote:Can we talk about BRITISH cuisine for a moment?!

No. The nation that invented MacDonalds and KFC has waived the right to critisise anyone's eating habits.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2003-04-30 01:30pm

Batman wrote:
You tap your fishtank and the poor bugger fears for his life?
Do I really want to know what usually follows the tapping ?

He's got his own room. He's not particularly used to it.

Queeb Salaron · Post by **Queeb Salaron** » 2003-04-30 01:31pm

NecronLord wrote:
Queeb Salaron wrote:Can we talk about BRITISH cuisine for a moment?!
No. The nation that invented MacDonalds and KFC has waived the right to critisise anyone's eating habits.

Says a voice from the country whose recipes for EVERYTHING contain the words:

1. Take whatever you're cooking and put it in a pot.
2. Burn the fuck out of it.
3. Let sit.
4. Serve cold.

At least my greasy "chicken" wings are served hot, dammit.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2003-04-30 01:35pm

...SA.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-04-30 01:37pm

Queeb, I've never agreed with you so much.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2003-04-30 01:44pm

Queeb Salaron wrote:Says a voice from the country whose recipes for EVERYTHING contain the words:

1. Take whatever you're cooking and put it in a pot.
2. Burn the fuck out of it.
3. Let sit.
4. Serve cold.

Wrong.