How many AT-ATs did Veers lose?

[vakundok]

The novelization said that approximately a dozen walkers were sighted by the rebell officer. In the following sentence it described the "walkers" as four legged machines. It also said that only two of them survived. (The last of the lost AT-ATs was Veer's one.)

[Kuja]

The novelization said that approximately a dozen walkers were sighted by the rebell officer. In the following sentence it described the "walkers" as four legged machines. It also said that only two of them survived. (The last of the lost AT-ATs was Veer's one.)

Yikes. Ten of them went down, including the command walker? The Rebs must've pulled out all the stops to get that done.

[Isolder74]

I think the Thing is that in the original script Goerge Lucas had Veers get killed. But when he made the movie he changed his mind. In the Movie Veers Walker is not destroyed. Since the Movies override the Novels then Veers didn't die. We see 2 walkers downed out of 5 that is all we can assume were knocked out. Anything else is mere speculation, perhaps the novel is purely Rebel Propaganda!

[Kuja]

I think the Thing is that in the original script Goerge Lucas had Veers get killed. But when he made the movie he changed his mind. In the Movie Veers Walker is not destroyed. Since the Movies override the Novels then Veers didn't die.

It's not that he changed his mind, it's just that they cut it out of the final product.

[Lord Pounder]

To get back on topic, kinda. IIRC in EU it states that every AT-AT deployed has an escort of 2 AT-ST's. Also IIRC a Super Star Destroyer like Executor carries arround 10 or more AT-ST's. On the basis that the Admiral of the SSD fucked up and came in too close i don't see Veers sending any less that full strength. My theory is that the 3-4 walkers shown on screen where just the force dedicated to destroying the shield generator. The other 7 or so AT-AT's could be been deployed to secure a landing spot for Vaders shuttle and to destroy the various ground based defences. All in all this would give Rogue Squadron plenty to shoot at.

[Raptor 597]

Offically, or rather supposedly 3 of 5 were downed. Blizzard I was minorly damaged and the other Blizzard was under Freja Covell. But this may be merely the "official" site but 12 sounds much more reasonable for a ground assault on the main Rebel Base.

[Darth Garden Gnome]

Hobbie is still alive, and he pilots a ship at Endor I believe. Not to mention the scene plain isn't witnessed. Plus all the T-47s appear to have been destroyed by that time, the last one being the speeder shot down right before Veers blows up the shield generator.

I think that sort of overrides the novelization.

As for Rendar, he piloted a speeder at Hoth, so he could've used his tow-cable like anyone else to down a walker. After all, destroying an AT-ST is hardly "pretty good", a single shot from a T-47s guns would fry one.

[Illuminatus Primus]

Hobbie is still alive, and he pilots a ship at Endor I believe. Not to mention the scene plain isn't witnessed. Plus all the T-47s appear to have been destroyed by that time, the last one being the speeder shot down right before Veers blows up the shield generator.

I think that sort of overrides the novelization.

LFL retconned this anyway.

Hobbie is in Rogue Squadron still after Endor and Veers dies in Operation Shadow Hand in combat.

As for Rendar, he piloted a speeder at Hoth, so he could've used his tow-cable like anyone else to down a walker.

The pilot doesn't cable the walkers--the gunner does. And taking down AT-ATs w/ tow cables and T-47s is considered a miracle.

After all, destroying an AT-ST is hardly "pretty good", a single shot from a T-47s guns would fry one.

Destroying a modern armored scout vehicle equipped w/ AAA in a Cessna w/ .50 machine guns on would be pretty good.

The T-47s are civilian craft w/ lasers added. I don't recall the lasers being proven to destroy anything that would say that taking out AT-STs would be a sure thing.

Remember, the shot-at AT-AT was also being self-destructed by Snowies.

[Darth Garden Gnome]

The pilot doesn't cable the walkers--the gunner does. And taking down AT-ATs w/ tow cables and T-47s is considered a miracle.

It didn't seem like an overly-difficult task for them. Sure, they had to avoid fire, but flying around in a tight circle seemed to be a walk in the park. But of course, Rendar didn't have a gunner, so I guess that rules it out anyway.

The T-47s are civilian craft w/ lasers added. I don't recall the lasers being proven to destroy anything that would say that taking out AT-STs would be a sure thing.

Said scouts that can be destroyed by trees? I don't think AT-ST is a durable as you give it credit.

On the T-47's lasers, not only are they pretty long - nearly the entire length of the craft - they should be at least moderately powerful, and the SW: ICS decribes them as such:

"External power converters and a laser generator system tapped the extra energy of the T-47's powerful generators,"

So the lasers are being fed from "powerful generators". I don't think they'd have X-Wing firepower, but enough to blow the cabin off an AT-ST in a few shots.

Remember, the shot-at AT-AT was also being self-destructed by Snowies.

Didn't know that, pretty cool. Makes sense too.

[Howedar]

It was in the novelization but of course wasn't shown in the film. The EU puts him as being at the Battle of Balmorra.

Now THERE'S a contradiction you can hang your hat on.

Perhaps he survived the wreck?

[Illuminatus Primus]

Said scouts that can be destroyed by trees? I don't think AT-ST is a durable as you give it credit.

Momentum != energy. And Tibanna cooking off != Armor. The armor plating was never seen punctured or anything.

On the T-47's lasers, not only are they pretty long - nearly the entire length of the craft - they should be at least moderately powerful, and the SW: ICS decribes them as such:

"External power converters and a laser generator system tapped the extra energy of the T-47's powerful generators,"

So the lasers are being fed from "powerful generators". I don't think they'd have X-Wing firepower, but enough to blow the cabin off an AT-ST in a few shots.

No calcs? Thought so. Sporting blasters are longer than Solo's..this does not mean firepower.

It was in the novelization but of course wasn't shown in the film. The EU puts him as being at the Battle of Balmorra.

Now THERE'S a contradiction you can hang your hat on.

Perhaps he survived the wreck?

According to the NEGTC, yes.

[Kuja]

But of course, Rendar didn't have a gunner, so I guess that rules it out anyway.

There is no evidence of that.

[Illuminatus Primus]

But of course, Rendar didn't have a gunner, so I guess that rules it out anyway.

There is no evidence of that.

They were strapped for pilots and craft. You probably need to prove there was a gunner--afterall the tow cable use was just a improvisation--they tried to shoot at them first.

[Raptor 597]

Veers' walker, which was rammed by Hobbie. (novelization)

You know what's really weird? I used to remember seeing that scene in TESB. For some weird reason, I clearly remember Veers' AT-AT's head being rammed into with a snowspeeder, but I've never heard of that happening in the novelization until now. Maybe it's some weird sort of deja vu (sp?). I dunno...it's been bothering me for a while before that, because I've always remembered seeing that and on the tape I've never saw it again. I think I remember seeing it on another tape that my dad recorded off of TV...the damndest thing, eh?

Ah, I remember that vaguely or it may have been a dream. I always remember two ISDs guarding the Emperor's shuttle. Though it annoyed me because I constantly dreamt that scene right before the emperor's arival. Might just be a dream, I was 7 years old then.

[Kuja]

They were strapped for pilots and craft. You probably need to prove there was a gunner--afterall the tow cable use was just a improvisation--they tried to shoot at them first.

It wasn't an unplanned improvisation, it was a cue for Rogue Squadron to change its attack patterns, shifting from an all-out assault to using tow cables (ESTV&V describes Luke and the head tech upgrading the tow cables for that very purpose).

Besides, being strapped for pilots and craft doesn't mean that Luke, Wedge, and Zev were the only people with gunners. There is no evidence for or against Dash flying without a gunner.

[Axis Kast]

According to the Essential Guide to Characters, Sea Skimmer is correct.

[Death from the Sea]

It is generally agreed that just two X-Wings could have defeated the AT-AT force. It is also generally agreed that the Rebellion couldn't spare that many. They were prepping the X-Wings as quickly as they could to escort the transports. It eventualy got to the point where they could only send one fighter per transport. The X-Wings were there mostly to kee the Ties off the transports since the ISDs were mostly neutralized by the ion cannon.

But yet they allowed Luke to take one off on his own to Dagobah, that does not make sense.
If nothing else why not get Hand and Chewie out there with the MF for some heavy fire support?

[Isolder74]

It is generally agreed that just two X-Wings could have defeated the AT-AT force. It is also generally agreed that the Rebellion couldn't spare that many. They were prepping the X-Wings as quickly as they could to escort the transports. It eventualy got to the point where they could only send one fighter per transport. The X-Wings were there mostly to kee the Ties off the transports since the ISDs were mostly neutralized by the ion cannon.

But yet they allowed Luke to take one off on his own to Dagobah, that does not make sense.
If nothing else why not get Hand and Chewie out there with the MF for some heavy fire support?

By that point it was every man for himself!

[DeadM]

If nothing else why not get Hand and Chewie out there with the MF for some heavy fire support?

Its been awhile since I saw the movies, but wasnt the MF being repaired or something?

[Isolder74]

If nothing else why not get Hand and Chewie out there with the MF for some heavy fire support?

Its been awhile since I saw the movies, but wasnt the MF being repaired or something?

Yes, it was! Quickly at that.

[Darth Gojira]

Two were taken down(three if then novel overrides the film[it certainly overrides the EU]). Besides, I hate that Han ripoff

[Illuminatus Primus]

Besides, being strapped for pilots and craft doesn't mean that Luke, Wedge, and Zev were the only people with gunners. There is no evidence for or against Dash flying without a gunner.

No evidence he did either. You're assuming he had something. Argument from Ignorance.

[Kuja]

Besides, being strapped for pilots and craft doesn't mean that Luke, Wedge, and Zev were the only people with gunners. There is no evidence for or against Dash flying without a gunner.

No evidence he did either. You're assuming he had something. Argument from Ignorance.

Pay attention to what I'm saying:

There is no evidencefor or againstDash flying without a gunner.

[Darth PhysBod]

There are a couple of glaring contradictions between the novelisation and the film (not surprising as it is likely based on an earlier script).

In the novel Hobbie rams Veers walker immediatly after Veers finishes speaking to Vadar's hologram (26:50), yet in the film Veers goes on to destroy the generators with a maximum firepower volley (31:45) (of which no mention is made in the novel).

Followed by the scene where luke is shot down (29:19), he radio's in "Hobbie I've been hit!"

It seems neither Veers nor Hobbie died at Hoth. That's one less AT-AT lost.

[Kuja]

It seems neither Veers nor Hobbie died at Hoth. That's one less AT-AT lost.

Veers DID lose his walker. That's how he lost his legs.