I feel discriminated against...

Darth Yoshi · Post by **Darth Yoshi** » 2003-04-30 10:21pm

Today at school it was announced that the 1st of May will henceforth be the National Prayer Day. Never mind that there are a fair amount of people who aren't religious, and that a prayer day is a blatant violation of the separation of church and state. Fucking Bush. So, I guess I will be putting "infidel" on the next census after all.

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Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2003-04-30 10:27pm

those fucktards

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2003-04-30 10:28pm

Ia! Ia! Shub-Niggurath!

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-04-30 10:44pm

Isn't it odd that May Day is now American "National Prayer Day"?

Fear the Godless Reds!!! OMG!!!

Fuck God. Fuck them.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-04-30 10:46pm

I hereby move that for all the atheists, May 1 is now National Darwin Day! Make up posters!! Urge people to thank Darwin for enlightening us from the darkness of intellectual oppression!! GIVE THANKS AND PRAY TO DARWIN!!!!

After all, "National Prayer Day" doesn't actually say who we're supposed to pray to ...

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-04-30 10:52pm

Bush is a delusional moron awash in fundie land. This is a blatent First Amendment violation.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-04-30 10:55pm

Illuminatus Primus wrote:Bush is a delusional moron awash in fundie land. This is a blatent First Amendment violation.

Post that in the Politics forum and watch the Bush Apologist Team swing into action.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2003-04-30 10:56pm

Darth Wong wrote:I hereby move that for all the atheists, May 1 is now National Darwin Day! Make up posters!! Urge people to thank Darwin for enlightening us from the darkness of intellectual oppression!! GIVE THANKS AND PRAY TO DARWIN!!!!

After all, "National Prayer Day" doesn't actually say who we're supposed to pray to ...

Yes....I will do so.

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2003-04-30 10:58pm

Darth Wong wrote:
Illuminatus Primus wrote:Bush is a delusional moron awash in fundie land. This is a blatent First Amendment violation.
Post that in the Politics forum and watch the Bush Apologist Team swing into action.

Id agree with primus on that one.

Wicked Pilot · Post by **Wicked Pilot** » 2003-04-30 10:59pm

SATAN BLESS AMERICA

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2003-04-30 11:01pm

*prays to Durandal*

*prays to Lord Wong*

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-04-30 11:01pm

They had a mass prayer at the South Carolina vs. Georgia game last year. I was pretty pissed off.

Stravo · Post by **Stravo** » 2003-04-30 11:02pm

Illuminatus Primus wrote:Bush is a delusional moron awash in fundie land. This is a blatent First Amendment violation.

NO, its not. PLease people, seperation of church and state DOES NOT let me repeat this again for those in teh back row, DOES NOT mean that the governement must actively oppose or be hostile to religion. It means that the governemtn cannot SUPPORT a PARTICULAR religion in other words no state sponsored religion.

National Prayer day is not supporting any religion, Buddhists, Shintoes, Muslims, Christians, pagans, animists, shamans, vodoo, Santeria, etc all pray and thus there is no support of ANY religion with this action.

PLease stop thinking that Sepration of church and state means NO to religion.

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2003-04-30 11:03pm

I intend to verbally pray for another scientific genius like Darwin. That pretty much represents my beliefs.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-04-30 11:03pm

National Prayer day is not supporting any religion, Buddhists, Shintoes, Muslims, Christians, pagans, animists, shamans, vodoo, Santeria, etc all pray and thus there is no support of ANY religion with this action.

It still is effectively telling atheists who do not pray to fuck off. Furthermore, there is no legitimate civil purpose to National Prayer Day. It is absolutely pointless.

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2003-04-30 11:05pm

freedom of religion also means freedom to have an abscence of religion. a national prayer day opposes that.

Stravo · Post by **Stravo** » 2003-04-30 11:05pm

Durran Korr wrote:
National Prayer day is not supporting any religion, Buddhists, Shintoes, Muslims, Christians, pagans, animists, shamans, vodoo, Santeria, etc all pray and thus there is no support of ANY religion with this action.
It still is effectively telling atheists who do not pray to fuck off. Furthermore, there is no legitimate civil purpose to National Prayer Day. It is absolutely pointless.

No its not. For those who are not citizens, does Election day tell them to fuck off? Does Independence day tell them to fuck off? Are believers supposed to remain mum because it might offend athiests. If there was a naitional Athiest or Darwin day as a believer I could care less.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-04-30 11:05pm

Stravo wrote:
Illuminatus Primus wrote:Bush is a delusional moron awash in fundie land. This is a blatent First Amendment violation.
NO, its not. PLease people, seperation of church and state DOES NOT let me repeat this again for those in teh back row, DOES NOT mean that the governement must actively oppose or be hostile to religion. It means that the governemtn cannot SUPPORT a PARTICULAR religion in other words no state sponsored religion.

Or group of religions. In this case, it explicitly supports prayer-based religions over meditative religions (never mind people who have no religion at all).

National Prayer day is not supporting any religion, Buddhists, Shintoes, Muslims, Christians, pagans, animists, shamans, vodoo, Santeria, etc all pray and thus there is no support of ANY religion with this action.

No they don't. Not all religions pray.

PLease stop thinking that Sepration of church and state means NO to religion.

It means NO to state sponsorship of religion. It does not have to be specific. It prohibits government-assisted "establishment of religion" with no qualifiers. If it prohibited government-assisted "establishment of one particular religious sect over others, but general prayer is OK", then you would have a point.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2003-04-30 11:06pm

The government must remain NEUTRAL in regards to religion....By endorsing prayer it is taking a position that is PRO religion... nstead of saying "no comment"

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-04-30 11:07pm

Stravo wrote:
Durran Korr wrote:
National Prayer day is not supporting any religion, Buddhists, Shintoes, Muslims, Christians, pagans, animists, shamans, vodoo, Santeria, etc all pray and thus there is no support of ANY religion with this action.
It still is effectively telling atheists who do not pray to fuck off. Furthermore, there is no legitimate civil purpose to National Prayer Day. It is absolutely pointless.
No its not. For those who are not citizens, does Election day tell them to fuck off? Does Independence day tell them to fuck off? Are believers supposed to remain mum because it might offend athiests. If there was a naitional Athiest or Darwin day as a believer I could care less.

Election Day and Independence Day accomplish legitimate civil purposes that are within the scope of the government. Prayer day does not.

Stravo · Post by **Stravo** » 2003-04-30 11:08pm

Durran Korr wrote:
Stravo wrote:
Durran Korr wrote: It still is effectively telling atheists who do not pray to fuck off. Furthermore, there is no legitimate civil purpose to National Prayer Day. It is absolutely pointless.
No its not. For those who are not citizens, does Election day tell them to fuck off? Does Independence day tell them to fuck off? Are believers supposed to remain mum because it might offend athiests. If there was a naitional Athiest or Darwin day as a believer I could care less.
Election Day and Independence Day accomplish legitimate civil purposes that are within the scope of the government. Prayer day does not.

It does if the government decided at its founding that religion served a purpose civilly. They decided that religion is a good thing thus it should be allowed to flourish.

Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi · Post by **Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi** » 2003-04-30 11:08pm

Damn Christian Right. Do the congressmen's spouses know that their significant other has been cheating on them, since it seems that just about all of them have been sleeping with them.

On the bright side, it didn't state what to pray to, and the ACLU will probably be on it faster than, well, something that gets onto something else really fast.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-04-30 11:09pm

Stravo wrote:
Durran Korr wrote:
National Prayer day is not supporting any religion, Buddhists, Shintoes, Muslims, Christians, pagans, animists, shamans, vodoo, Santeria, etc all pray and thus there is no support of ANY religion with this action.
It still is effectively telling atheists who do not pray to fuck off. Furthermore, there is no legitimate civil purpose to National Prayer Day. It is absolutely pointless.
No its not. For those who are not citizens, does Election day tell them to fuck off?

Yes. It's something they cannot participate in. Every time an election happens, they are forcefully reminded that they are not citizens. This is considered acceptable for voting rights, but the first amendment clearly stated that it is NOT acceptable for religion.

Does Independence day tell them to fuck off?

Does Independence Day instruct them to participate in an activity which they do not believe in?

Are believers supposed to remain mum because it might offend athiests.

No, but they're not supposed to create official government-sanctioned activities designed to promote religion.

If there was a naitional Athiest or Darwin day as a believer I could care less.

However, you know perfectly well that the majority of the country would vehemently oppose it, thus displaying their hypocrisy.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-04-30 11:10pm

Stravo wrote:It does if the government decided at its founding that religion served a purpose civilly. They decided that religion is a good thing thus it should be allowed to flourish.

The Constitution says nothing about that. And Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, and Thomas Paine wrote numerous private letters to one another in which they expressed their true feelings about religion.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-04-30 11:10pm

It does if the government decided at its founding that religion served a purpose civilly. They decided that religion is a good thing thus it should be allowed to flourish.

No, the government decided that religion does not serve a civil (meaning related to the government) purpose, and that's why we have the establishment clause.