Yevethan Genocide

[Darth Fanboy]

In NJO the Yuuzhan Vong attacked and destroyed the Yevethan homeworld. No Yevetha were left save for one who killed himself shortly afterwards.

So does this mean the size and scope of the Yevetha were such that even one such attack was enough to destroy their ENTIRE SPECIES? Or are there possibly other Yevethan ships/colonies/refugees somewhere? It just seems odd to me that a race like that would be limited to one such planet.

[Kazuaki Shimazaki]

12 worlds at the time of Black Fleet Crisis. They may have a few more colonies and they grabbed a bunch more. Probably the NR hit them pretty hard and put them all back on their homeworld after their victory (which would have been a lot easier had the NR put more effort into a real military.)

[Darth Fanboy]

Since the Yevetha weren't part of the Republic though the NR couldnt just go in and take 11 worlds worth of citizens and cram them onto one (probably) densely populated world. Even with their victory those worlds were still Yevethan worlds prior to the NR hostilities.

Even though their military is probably no longer a factor now, it just seems like a big NJO fuckup to consider the species wiped out.

[Enforcer Talen]

so. . . only 12 worlds were enough to threaten the new republic?

[His Divine Shadow]

so. . . only 12 worlds were enough to threaten the new republic?

Well, more minimalist shit, but also the Republic was down in the gutter during that time.

[Illuminatus Primus]

In NJO the Yuuzhan Vong attacked and destroyed the Yevethan homeworld. No Yevetha were left save for one who killed himself shortly afterwards.

So does this mean the size and scope of the Yevetha were such that even one such attack was enough to destroy their ENTIRE SPECIES? Or are there possibly other Yevethan ships/colonies/refugees somewhere? It just seems odd to me that a race like that would be limited to one such planet.

The New Republic demilitarized the Koornacht Cluster after the Yevethan conflict. I don't find it unlikely in the restrictions and occupation thereof that many Yevetha were either forcibly relocated to N'zoth or emigrated back thereof.

And when they say "race", they may mean for all basic intents and purposes, all the Yevetha were wiped out. Their might be a clump somewhere but that hardly means the race isn't still wiped out.

so. . . only 12 worlds were enough to threaten the new republic?

The Yevetha formerly had over a dozen major worlds. This formed the backbone of the Duskhan League. The name of the organization suggests to me that many minor colonies and other subordinate species and/or slave races and allied minor powers within Koornacht were also aligned with the Yevetha.

The Black Sword Fleet is what made them a security threat. And you must realize that once the political quagmire was overcome, the New Republic was perfectly prepared to crush the Duskhan League flat, even with the Black Sword Fleet.

Additionally, at this point the New Republic, the NR was limited to merely the Core Worlds in terms of actual member sectors. Their offensive fleets-ready-to-deploy were numbered Five (unless the Fifth Fleet wasn't the last) which is not so bad considering each is about comparable to an Imperial Sector Group, and the Oversector Outer under Tarkin had only three Sector Groups-ready-to-deploy.

The New Republic is still recovering from Palpatine's offensive that nearly restored the Empire.

[His Divine Shadow]

Additionally, at this point the New Republic, the NR was limited to merely the Core Worlds in terms of actual member sectors

Not even that, 11.000 worlds, thats far from all the Core Worlds.

[Illuminatus Primus]

There's on way in Aztec Heaven that it was just eleven thousand worlds.

...in Padme's lightly populated Chommel Sector, which comprises 36 full-member worlds, more than 40,000 settled dependencies, and 300,000,000 barren stars.

"Member worlds" has to be colloquial for species-specific homeworlds or very important planets or colloquial for some sort of administrative region like a sector or something.

This guy refused to believe Coruscant was a full city-world. He's up there with WEG on scale reliability.

[His Divine Shadow]

There's on way in Aztec Heaven that it was just eleven thousand worlds.

Uuuuh what?

[Darth Fanboy]

The New Republic demilitarized the Koornacht Cluster after the Yevethan conflict. I don't find it unlikely in the restrictions and occupation thereof that many Yevetha were either forcibly relocated to N'zoth or emigrated back thereof.

Forgive me if I sound defensive but there's no way I can believe that since the republic had little or no conflict with the YEvetha after that conflict. None whatsover if NJO was any real indicator. The Republic did not have a major presence in that area and therefore I believe that they couldn't have done any forced relocation, unless they were on the honor system or something.

[DocMoriartty]

Out of curiosity since I have not read the appropriate book why did the Vong kill the entire race?

They both worshipped pain and death did they not?

Also in what book did they do this?

[Darth Fanboy]

Force Heretic I: Remnant

Vong destroyed the Yevetha after recieving tatical information from Galantos through the Peace Brigade. The planet was destroyed after a massive fleet battle and a Vong version of the BDZ.

Keep in mind it doesnt matter if the races hold similar beliefs, since both were Xenophobic and the Vong hate and despise every thing that uses technology, branding them infidels. Also, the VOng seek to eliminate all non Vong life and replace it with their own.


Now that I think of it, there must be some Yevetha surviving, as slaves that is.

[Jason von Evil]

WHo are the Yevethan? I haven't read any of the new books, so I wouldn't know.

[Illuminatus Primus]

The New Republic demilitarized the Koornacht Cluster after the Yevethan conflict. I don't find it unlikely in the restrictions and occupation thereof that many Yevetha were either forcibly relocated to N'zoth or emigrated back thereof.

Forgive me if I sound defensive but there's no way I can believe that since the republic had little or no conflict with the YEvetha after that conflict. None whatsover if NJO was any real indicator. The Republic did not have a major presence in that area and therefore I believe that they couldn't have done any forced relocation, unless they were on the honor system or something.

You realize they probably withdrew by the NJO from that purpose--they were fighting a war of survival, y'know.

[Illuminatus Primus]

There's on way in Aztec Heaven that it was just eleven thousand worlds.

Uuuuh what?

*shrug*

This is the same moron who thinks carriers and bombers can replace ISD-type vessels for the NR, and that Coruscant is not a capital world.

His minimalism is so dramatic, his calculations should be off by at least an order of magnitude.

[Darth Fanboy]

You realize they probably withdrew by the NJO from that purpose--they were fighting a war of survival, y'know.

Yes but Han mentions in FH:1 that the republic had incredibly little ( I think zero) contact with the Yevetha after the black fleet crisis. And that crisis wasnt to soon before Vector Prime.

[Darth Yoshi]

The reason was that some of the worlds in the Koornacht didn't want the Yevetha to regain its former power, so they invited the Vong into wipe them out in exchange for "materiel." Unfortunately for them, the Vong view sacrificial victims as "materiel."

[Darth Garden Gnome]

The Black Sword Fleet is what made them a security threat. And you must realize that once the political quagmire was overcome, the New Republic was perfectly prepared to crush the Duskhan League flat, even with the Black Sword Fleet.

Huh? I remember the NR getting their asses handed to them at Doornik-319. In the battle after that they beat the Yevethan Fleet only because the Imperial slaves aboard Yevethan ships rebelled. I'm pretty sure the NR was losing up to that point, or at least a stalemate.

[Kazuaki Shimazaki]

They were getting their asses to them because NR troops SUCK. They hear their commwaves flooded by Yevethan MIJIing (which suggests AWFUL EMCON and ComSec procedures.) The Yevethans blathered something about hostages and let them talk. The fucking undisciplined NR troops fell into confusion and a good percentage of them refused to fire to "murder the people we came here to help" or some shit (don't they realize they're falling right into the enemy's trap by not firing, and a death by heavy ship weapons would probably be a mercy to the hostages considering their circumstances?,) just when a coordinated salvo was needed to break the Yevethan shield. AFter that, the Yevethans sent out interceptors and that was that.

After that, they installed comm scramblers to compensate for the poor discipline of their own troops (they should have done that A LONG TIME AGO.) They won that engagment in Tyrant's Test on that shipyard, and were slowly clipping away at the Yevethans until the Great Decisive Battle.

[Darth Fanboy]

The reason was that some of the worlds in the Koornacht didn't want the Yevetha to regain its former power, so they invited the Vong into wipe them out in exchange for "materiel." Unfortunately for them, the Vong view sacrificial victims as "materiel."

Yes we know that, the question is, was the Yevetha population truly wiped out? There has to be at least a few Yevethan population clusters somewhere other than their homeworld.

[Sea Skimmer]

WHo are the Yevethan? I haven't read any of the new books, so I wouldn't know.

Xenophobic warrior race that live in the Koornacht cluster. They first appear in the Black Fleet Crisis trilogy, which came out a while ago. In it they launch a campaign of genocide against all non Yevethan in the cluster and then engage the New Republic.

[Darth Fanboy]

The weird thing about this whole thing is that, sometime you wonder about pitting Species like the Yevetha and Yuuzhan Vong against each other. Two species where their similar ideological beliefs would actually pit them against each other rather than allow for some sort of peace, and NJO actually did that. Now if they could go back and de-suckify the entire series until Star by Star.

[His Divine Shadow]

There's on way in Aztec Heaven that it was just eleven thousand worlds.

Uuuuh what?

*shrug*

This is the same moron who thinks carriers and bombers can replace ISD-type vessels for the NR, and that Coruscant is not a capital world.

His minimalism is so dramatic, his calculations should be off by at least an order of magnitude.

No I mean I did not understand what you said.

[Ender]

*shrug*

This is the same moron who thinks carriers and bombers can replace ISD-type vessels for the NR,

First off, he still has ISD equivlents. In fact, he is the only author to mention NR Star destroyers, all the others assume captured ISDs or use Mon Cals. He mentions the Republic class, which packs more HTLs then an ISD 2, and the Nebula class SD and Majestic HC which pack more firepowe then an ISD 1. Secondly, really, they can. Since SW shielding is watts based, the equivlent effects of missile weapons is greatly increased even though the actual energy remains the same. I crunched some numbers, using those relativly small values for torps from the ICS a squadron of X wings can down the shields on an aclamator and land a good 2.28 GT agaisnt it's bare hull. Now if you use B wings and K wings and heavy torps, you can really fuck someone up. When coupled with AOTC, it shows an interesting arms race; missiles were better (as of AOTC), then they were surpassed by TLs (as per the OT and a quote from McCallum), and now it appears missiles are coming back into their own again.

and that Coruscant is not a capital world.

Provide a quote where he says Coruscant is not the capital.

[Darth Fanboy]

When coupled with AOTC, it shows an interesting arms race; missiles were better (as of AOTC), then they were surpassed by TLs (as per the OT and a quote from McCallum), and now it appears missiles are coming back into their own again.

Perhaps Turbolaser technology has hit a plateau, whereas Missle technology is reaching newer limits. Its either that or the best explanation left is that these damn EU authors know NOTHING regarding the tech aspects of the ships they write about.