[STGOD] Preliminary Force Declarations & Rules

Post by **Beowulf** » 2003-05-01 01:40am

3rd Impact wrote:Off-topic: Is it too late to join in?

*looks around the forum*

It hasn't started yet really... I don't see why not.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-05-01 02:07am

It's not too late, but where probably starting this weekend if not Friday depending on Phongn

Companion Cube · Post by **Companion Cube** » 2003-05-01 02:19am

The Outworlds Alliance

History

The Alliance(a misnomer; it is governed by a Democracy) rests on the edge of human-inhabited space, hence its name. This nation was the result of a bloody civil war between the inhabitants of a fundamentalist Middle East-dominated space-faring nation that once inhabited that space. In the wake of the civil war, which took place approximately 500 years ago, the survivors of the shattered nation banded together to form the Outworlds Alliance, a new nation based on sentient rights, in which the old religions and hatreds had little or no place.

Species
The inhabitants of the Outworlds Alliance are human, mostly of Middle Eastern extraction, though few practice Islam, or any other religion.

Government
The Alliance is governed by a democratically elected leader, who is in turn overseen by a council of Representatives from each of the Alliance's worlds. The function of this council is to ensure that the President does not abuse his power. However, while the Council may vote the President from office, only he has the power to declare war.

The Outworlds Alliance is generally distrustful of other races of factions, and while they recognise that space belongs to no man, they do not hesitate to protect their borders, which are defined by ten light-year radeii around each inhabited planet or colony.

Territories

Capital World: Muad'dib (Population approx. 30 Billion)

Mining Colony: Salaam (Population approx. 600 Million)

Mining Colony: Aleikum (Populaton approx. 200 Million)

Military

The ships of the OAN are generally small in comparison to the warships of their neighbors, reflecting the lower standard of technology and industrialisation that characterises the OA. These ships are not built for attractiveness, only performance.

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ORBAT to come later.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-05-01 02:32am

Remember, ORBAT goes in the ORBAT thread.

Cpt_Frank · Post by **Cpt_Frank** » 2003-05-01 03:47am

Sea Skimmer wrote:
FBHthelizardmage wrote:
We would like to purchase 100 such vehicles for testing and evaluation, should they pass we would like to order a futher 10,000
Excellent, these examples can be shipped within the week, the pricetag is 7.5 million Kokand currency units.

We could pay 2.5 million in cash and 5 millions in metals suitable for starship armor.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-05-01 05:18am

Cpt_Frank wrote: We could pay 2.5 million in cash and 5 millions in metals suitable for starship armor.

Which would leave a balance of 7,092,500,000, you owe 7.1 billion-Kokand currency units. The 7.5 million is for 100 units being ordered by another star nation. But don't worry, Kokand currency units are not very large monetary units, and that ratio is acceptable.

We prefer our system over the more ridiculous ones out there which charge 6 million for capital warships, Kokand must wonder why anyone would create a system in which 99+% of all transactions would require less then one unit.

Cpt_Frank · Post by **Cpt_Frank** » 2003-05-01 07:43am

Sea Skimmer wrote: Which would leave a balance of 7,092,500,000, you owe 7.1 billion-Kokand currency units. The 7.5 million is for 100 units being ordered by another star nation. But don't worry, Kokand currency units are not very large monetary units, and that ratio is acceptable.

We prefer our system over the more ridiculous ones out there which charge 6 million for capital warships, Kokand must wonder why anyone would create a system in which 99+% of all transactions would require less then one unit.

I see. How about we pay 30% in cash and 70% in metal? In that case you'd get your money within 10 days.

Post by **Beowulf** » 2003-05-01 03:41pm

3rd Impact wrote: Capital World: Muad'dib (Population approx. 30 Billion)

Population seems a bit high to me... 3 billion would be much more reasonable...

Pablo Sanchez · Post by **Pablo Sanchez** » 2003-05-01 03:59pm

Beowulf wrote:Population seems a bit high to me... 3 billion would be much more reasonable...

To give you an idea, Earth right now is considered by most authorities to be a little too heavily populated, and that's with only 6 billion or so. If you add in more efficient technology, it'll increase the viable population, but it still would not be that high.

Anyway, look at Earth in the STGOD. The area of China actually has a lower population in 2800 than it does right now, and my Empire stretches through the whole area of the Russian Empire plus change, and it only has about as many as modern China (in an area maybe twice the size). More than likely, one of the effects of the advancement of space-going races will be to reduce their population to the most efficient level, probably somewhere around 10 billion for an average planet.

Cpt_Frank · Post by **Cpt_Frank** » 2003-05-01 04:08pm

Pablo Sanchez wrote: probably somewhere around 10 billion for an average planet.

The PIR's capital New Bejing has more than 30 billion citizens. It should be noted, though, that it's a city-planet.

Pablo Sanchez · Post by **Pablo Sanchez** » 2003-05-01 04:14pm

Cpt_Frank wrote:The PIR's capital New Bejing has more than 30 billion citizens. It should be noted, though, that it's a city-planet.

For city-planets, that's a good population level. When I said efficient, I meant a planet which was capable of carrying out virtually any economic activity without adverse effects on the environment. New Beijing might not produce enough food for itself, and, barring uncharacteristic concern for the environment from the crypto-socialist leaders, it won't be as pleasant as Earth to live on.

No offense intended.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-05-01 04:23pm

I've got 16 billion on my capital; a higher percentage of useabul land and a shitload of kilometer tall towers keep it in fair shape, though most natural resources have been expended.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-05-01 04:27pm

Pablo Sanchez wrote:
To give you an idea, Earth right now is considered by most authorities to be a little too heavily populated, and that's with only 6 billion or so. If you add in more efficient technology, it'll increase the viable population, but it still would not be that high.

Anyway, look at Earth in the STGOD. The area of China actually has a lower population in 2800 than it does right now, and my Empire stretches through the whole area of the Russian Empire plus change, and it only has about as many as modern China (in an area maybe twice the size). More than likely, one of the effects of the advancement of space-going races will be to reduce their population to the most efficient level, probably somewhere around 10 billion for an average planet.

But simple land area isn't the whole story. The terrain is very important, and a large area of China is desert and or high mountains. On the other hand, the quite small Ukraine could produce enough food to feed a billion people with modern farming technology.

Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi · Post by **Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi** » 2003-05-01 05:11pm

Okay, I'd like to join in. Is this within contunuity?

Name: Amazon Imperium
Starting territory: Earth (Argentina, Uruguay and Chile, if they haven't been taken yet. If so, give me some places on earth that are still vacant)

Extraterrestrial holdings: One system, with 6 planets: A Mercury-like planet, a habitable mining planet, a Mars-like mining planet, a gas giant, and two uninhabited planets.

If it's within the rules, I'll give more information.

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2003-05-01 05:58pm

The Italia and Graecia provinces have roughly 1.5 billion people combined, but the cities of those provinces are sunk deep underground and almost all of both provinces are city.

Augustia has 12 billion, but it's twice the size of Earth. New Byzantine, a moon, has 1.2 billion, and it's extremely dense. The other moons have around 500 million each, and Trajan has around 1 million, while the two caepidda each have about 20K

Sound reasonable?

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-05-01 06:00pm

HemlockGrey wrote:The Italia and Graecia provinces have roughly 1.5 billion people combined, but the cities of those provinces are sunk deep underground and almost all of both provinces are city.

Augustia has 12 billion, but it's twice the size of Earth. New Byzantine, a moon, has 1.2 billion, and it's extremely dense. The other moons have around 500 million each, and Trajan has around 1 million, while the two caepidda each have about 20K

Sound reasonable?

If the planet is twice the size of earth it would have massively increased gravity, crushing any human even if the dense atmosphere doesn't kill them first.

Straha · Post by **Straha** » 2003-05-01 06:15pm

A note on population growth, people have found that in the (Near and Far) future our population is more likley to shrink, and shring signifigantly.

In fact the government of Japan released a statement saying that if current population trends continued they'd have 1 person in 3020, and no one in 3050 living on the Islands of Japan. For a very good explanation read "The Ultimate Resource" by Julian Simon.

Raptor 597 · Post by **Raptor 597** » 2003-05-01 06:22pm

The Menias-Dorian Hegemony

History

The Menias-Dorian Hegemony was formed in later part of the 21st century by oil the grand oil barons of the South. Following the invention of enviromentality safe vehicles they were out of a job. They immeadiately capitalized on the colonizers going to Mars to relieve stress on the population on Earth.

They eventually became listed as "Terrans" or off world humans and traveled to about the current middle of human space which was the frontier in the 2400s. A hegemony began to form from the "old republic" which they called the Unified Front of American Explorers. The homeworlds of Menias and Dorian which they were named are in the same system.

The First Regent, Pontificus Jonas or known as Menias-Dorian I began the mining process of tricolous-latinum dose, a rich mineral which is used in the best computer and military machines for superior performing abilities. This was to become the most important Imperial assest.

Later, by the reign of Regent Menias-Dorian X, who a complacent man of politics of great age. He never cared much for the state of affairs and let his cabinet hand power to the representative congress system. REgent Menias-Dorian XIII had finally renewed the fight for power between him and the congress for Menias-Dorian XI & XII had become mere political figureheads.

By the current reign of Regent Menias-Dorian XXV, Aelius Marcus Commodus, a military man had gained full control of the government and began the dismantlement of the congress system and instilled a cabinet of his country's smartest and most trusted by him military officers.

The population is isolated from most of the known galaxy. Only the Expeditionary Forces and Menias-Dorian's great convoys leave Menias-Dorian space. But the borders are beggining to ease up, but customs is still very cautious.

Territorial Holdings
Menias - 6.7 Billion
Dorian - 8.9 Billion
3 systems of mining colonies and minor outposts consisting of a total population around 2 billion. The only noteworthy outpost is the planet, Dos'a Mithri, the headquarters of the Menias-Dorian Defensive System protecting the six solar systems of Menias-Dorian and it's alliances. It has a population of 375 million. Other holdings is the recently purchasing of Hawaii and the former old republic holding of Southeastern Texas and Southern Louisiana.

Political Sphere of Influence
The Menias-Dorian sphere of influence is three other solar systems which are five puppet states and one within the alliance with Menias-Dorian. These states all deliver it's reserve tricolous-latinum dose to Dorian, the refining center of Menias-Dorian. In exchange for this they are protected from enemy forces by the Menias-Dorian Defense Fleet and are delivered 25% atleast or all excess profits leftover from the supplying and arming of the defense force is returned to them.

Menias-Dorian Armed Services
The Menias-Dorian Fleet is divided into the Home Fleet, Offensive Fleet, Defensive Fleet, and the Expeditionary Fleet. The Home Fleet relys on sheer firepower and defense grids from the defense system for firepower support. While the Expeditionary & Offensive Fleet relys on speed to arrive quickly to a battle and be a support force to Allies, defending convoys for trade deals, and is often seen at the Moon's Space docks which Menias-Dorian owns.

Menias-Dorian Home & Defense Fleet
Heavy Battlecruisers:
MDHBS Glorious Reign The Regent's Flagship
MDHBS Agonizer
MDHBS Avenger
MDHBS Destroyer

20 Medium Cruisers
31 Light Cruisers
2 Drone Fighter Carriers:
MDFCS Dominator
--Classiefied--
76 Destroyers
98 Light Destroyers
121 Frigates(Note: By tradtion destroyers are always to have a field position in the development of ships so a Light Destroyer is actually a slender, heavy frigate)

Menias-Dorian Expeditionary & Offensive Fleets
MDHBS Tyrant The Current Regent's Expeditionary Force Choice of Ship(When the Flagship should not be used or involved)
MDHBS Agonizer

5 Medium Cruisers
9 Light Cruisers
5 Drone Fighter Carriers
17 Destroyers
12 Elite Blockade Runners(Or so they are classified)

The Menias-Dorian Army & Air Force

The Menias-Dorian Army and Air Force often counts on the Menias-Dorian Merchant Marine for arrival to land battles due to this extensive amount of the Reserve Transport Force. The MD A & AF is a smaller elite force relying on encirclement and amoured "Panzer" tactics. The goal of a large MD AF is to provide fire support and to destroy Menias Dorian's enemies by crippling their infastructure.