X-Men seen

SHODAN · Post by **SHODAN** » 2003-05-01 01:43pm

Well, I saw X-Men 2 today. Few points:

- Long awaited Lady Deathstrike vs Wolverine was actually most boring fight scene in the movie.
- As expected, not a single proper use of word 'evolution'.
- That Mystique is HOT.
- Magneto is still coolest person around.

Darth Gojira · Post by **Darth Gojira** » 2003-05-01 01:45pm

My, what a varied selection!

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-05-01 01:49pm

(I haven't seen X2 yet...)

I prefer Halle Berry over RRS. She's so pretty...

And at least her Storm wig is much better this time around.

And that said...

NIGHTCRAWLER!!

Dahak · Post by **Dahak** » 2003-05-01 01:53pm

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:(I haven't seen X2 yet...)

I prefer Halle Berry over RRS. She's so pretty...

And at least her Storm wig is much better this time around.

And that said...

NIGHTCRAWLER!!

Yes, Nightcrawler is cool!
The fight scene at the begining... WOW!!!

And Alan Cumming managed to actually speak quite understandable German (though heavily accented

)

Xon · Post by **Xon** » 2003-05-01 01:54pm

Darth Gojira wrote:My, what a varied selection!

Considering she can be who ever the hell she wants and very flexiable, and Magneto implies she uses it

Zoink · Post by **Zoink** » 2003-05-01 02:11pm

I like the one that plays Jean Grey (Famke Janssen).

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2003-05-01 02:58pm

SHODAN wrote:- As expected, not a single proper use of word 'evolution'.

Indeed. Where are the mutants who develop mutations that don't result in a survival advantage? Where's Diarrhea Boy?

Darth Garden Gnome · Post by **Darth Garden Gnome** » 2003-05-01 03:00pm

SHODAN wrote:- Magneto is still coolest person around.

Ian McKellen will always be the coolest actor ever. I have yet to meet one person who didn't agree that Gandalf was the coolest guy in all of LOTR. Damn he kicks ass.

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2003-05-01 03:03pm

Durandal wrote:
SHODAN wrote:- As expected, not a single proper use of word 'evolution'.
Indeed. Where are the mutants who develop mutations that don't result in a survival advantage? Where's Diarrhea Boy?

Actually in X-Men, maybe not the movies, you do occasionally see mutants that have "powers" that don't amount to a survival advantage really.

Like one guy had the power of, being really really hairy. Seriously.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2003-05-01 03:08pm

for evidence of useless power.

Doug Ramsey...the boy could translate stuff, and what do they do?

Put him in combat(he gets killed in the New Mutants, but by far just a pointless waste)

m112880 · Post by **m112880** » 2003-05-01 03:25pm

I like the one that plays Jean Grey (Famke Janssen).

Hell yea

Post by **Rob Wilson** » 2003-05-01 04:23pm

Zoink wrote:I like the one that plays Jean Grey (Famke Janssen).

Famke's nice, but Anna Paquin is very sexy in her new uniform (though possibly a bit on the young side). Other than that, I gots to have me some of that Kelly Hu, yum.

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2003-05-01 04:26pm

neoolong wrote:Actually in X-Men, maybe not the movies, you do occasionally see mutants that have "powers" that don't amount to a survival advantage really.

Like one guy had the power of, being really really hairy. Seriously.

Exactly: "occasionally." If it was evolution, you'd see a shitload of mutants with useless or detrimental mutations, while only a handful would have kick-ass X-Men superpowers. In other words, there'd be a lot more Massive Vomitous Excretions Boys running around.

Post by **Rob Wilson** » 2003-05-01 04:30pm

Durandal wrote:
neoolong wrote:Actually in X-Men, maybe not the movies, you do occasionally see mutants that have "powers" that don't amount to a survival advantage really.

Like one guy had the power of, being really really hairy. Seriously.
Exactly: "occasionally." If it was evolution, you'd see a shitload of mutants with useless or detrimental mutations, while only a handful would have kick-ass X-Men superpowers. In other words, there'd be a lot more Massive Vomitous Excretions Boys running around.

Well making Ice is hardly up there as a kickarse power, and what exactly is the survival advantage of being magnetic, or not being able to open your eye's in a natural environment? It's not the powers, it's how strong they are and what the people involved do with them. Mind you Vomit boy ould have been a laugh.

Wicked Pilot · Post by **Wicked Pilot** » 2003-05-01 04:58pm

I'm sorry to disappoint the Mystique fans, but I will always have a special place in my heart for the Jean Grey character.

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2003-05-01 05:18pm

Rob Wilson wrote:Well making Ice is hardly up there as a kickarse power, and what exactly is the survival advantage of being magnetic, or not being able to open your eye's in a natural environment? It's not the powers, it's how strong they are and what the people involved do with them. Mind you Vomit boy ould have been a laugh.

Rob, did you just think about what you said? Two very big reasons as to why the first world is where it is is because of our ability to use the laws of thermodynamics and electromagnetism to our advantage. The fact that Magneto and Iceman can do these things without any kind of machinery or even a noticeable amount of work gives them a definitive survival advantage.

Post by **Rob Wilson** » 2003-05-01 05:30pm

Durandal wrote:
Rob Wilson wrote:Well making Ice is hardly up there as a kickarse power, and what exactly is the survival advantage of being magnetic, or not being able to open your eye's in a natural environment? It's not the powers, it's how strong they are and what the people involved do with them. Mind you Vomit boy ould have been a laugh.
Rob, did you just think about what you said? Two very big reasons as to why the first world is where it is is because of our ability to use the laws of thermodynamics and electromagnetism to our advantage. The fact that Magneto and Iceman can do these things without any kind of machinery or even a noticeable amount of work gives them a definitive survival advantage.

How? does it help them individually, can you give solid examples of how this would help in and of itself? Iceman can make Ice cubes, this is hardly the be all and end all of survival powers. What competitive edge does it give him? Magnus was nearly killed for exhibiting his powers, and before he pushed himself and increased his powers (through outside means) he strained to lift anything heavier than a gun. It was no better than having hands and not a survival trait.

Telepathy (if it could be controlled) gives a decided advantage, as does teleportation, or becoming invunerable, motile steel, and contrlling the weather is a big plus, as is a healing ability, but not all the ones in the films or the comics are anything close to useful outside of crimefighting in sctrictly controlled comicbook settings.

Faram · Post by **Faram** » 2003-05-01 05:34pm

Just got home from the sneak premiere.

I just have to say WOW!

Post by **Rob Wilson** » 2003-05-01 05:42pm

Faram wrote:Just got home from the sneak premiere.

I just have to say WOW!

I'm seeing it tomorrow night

I'm happy to see from the trailers that not only are we getting Kurt, but Kitty too (though probably not in as big a role), so the have the soul and heart of the X-men respectively in place. Hope they use her properly, and that Jubilee gets a bigger part too. Oh and Peter, the kids need there gentle giant guardian.

SHODAN · Post by **SHODAN** » 2003-05-01 05:45pm

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:(I haven't seen X2 yet...)

I prefer Halle Berry over RRS. She's so pretty...

And at least her Storm wig is much better this time around.

In my eyes Halle Berry with that white wig is very epitome of human beauty
but honestly that cannot compete with blue skin and scales.

NIGHTCRAWLER!!

SHODAN · Post by **SHODAN** » 2003-05-01 05:56pm

Faram wrote: I just have to say WOW!

So I've heard. I still consider whether I'm going to see it again, and I went to see even Daredevil twice. So it wasn't that good, I think.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2003-05-01 06:17pm

I just got back from seeing it, looks like Bryan Singer and David Hayter took to heart the downfalls of the first and made sure that same mistake wasn't made again.

And Nightcrawler rules, though he should've said "I'm INVINCIBLE!" at least once.

Dahak · Post by **Dahak** » 2003-05-01 06:21pm

Admiral Valdemar wrote:I just got back from seeing it, looks like Bryan Singer and David Hayter took to heart the downfalls of the first and made sure that same mistake wasn't made again.

And Nightcrawler rules, though he should've said "I'm INVINCIBLE!" at least once.

I don't see all that many downfalls in the first.
It laid the foundation of what he used in this movie.
Like Singer said, the first one'S like the trailer for X2

And as a sidenote: The real eye cather of course was Wolverine. Sooo hot

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2003-05-01 06:31pm

Rob Wilson wrote:How? does it help them individually, can you give solid examples of how this would help in and of itself? Iceman can make Ice cubes, this is hardly the be all and end all of survival powers.

The ability to disrupt the operation of biological and mechanical functions is certainly a plus. While it's a flagrant violation of the second law of thermodynamics, Iceman can simply remove energy from a system at will.

What competitive edge does it give him? Magnus was nearly killed for exhibiting his powers, and before he pushed himself and increased his powers (through outside means) he strained to lift anything heavier than a gun. It was no better than having hands and not a survival trait.

Hands and coordination develop over time; the same is true for mutant powers, apparently. With practice, Magneto attained more precise control and more ability to affect magnetic fields, just like a body builder does with his muscles and just like an artist does with his hands. The fact that the powers have to develop doesn't mean that they're not survival advantages.

Telepathy (if it could be controlled) gives a decided advantage, as does teleportation, or becoming invunerable, motile steel, and contrlling the weather is a big plus, as is a healing ability, but not all the ones in the films or the comics are anything close to useful outside of crimefighting in sctrictly controlled comicbook settings.

If Iceman was dropped into a forest and forced to live off the land, he'd be able to refrigerate his own food, freeze predators in their tracks and a host of other things that would give him a giant survival advantage. Magneto in that same setting probably wouldn't be as well off. However, in an urban environment, he has a big advantage.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2003-05-01 06:39pm

Dahak wrote:
Admiral Valdemar wrote:I just got back from seeing it, looks like Bryan Singer and David Hayter took to heart the downfalls of the first and made sure that same mistake wasn't made again.

And Nightcrawler rules, though he should've said "I'm INVINCIBLE!" at least once.
I don't see all that many downfalls in the first.
It laid the foundation of what he used in this movie.
Like Singer said, the first one'S like the trailer for X2

And as a sidenote: The real eye cather of course was Wolverine. Sooo hot

The only downfalls were some dodgy CGI and ther length, but I guess the first film in a great series does pale sometimes, I know The Matrix looks a lot less appealing now Matrix: Reloaded is coming out.

I just knew the film would end when we saw that shimmer in the water though, gah!

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