X-Men seen

[Dahak]

Actually in X-Men, maybe not the movies, you do occasionally see mutants that have "powers" that don't amount to a survival advantage really.

Like one guy had the power of, being really really hairy. Seriously.

Exactly: "occasionally." If it was evolution, you'd see a shitload of mutants with useless or detrimental mutations, while only a handful would have kick-ass X-Men superpowers. In other words, there'd be a lot more Massive Vomitous Excretions Boys running around.

Well, there a lot of mutants running around, and we only see a selected few.
There still might by Vomit Boy somewhere out there

[Dahak]

The only downfalls were some dodgy CGI and ther length, but I guess the first film in a great series does pale sometimes, I know The Matrix looks a lot less appealing now Matrix: Reloaded is coming out.

I just knew the film would end when we saw that shimmer in the water though, gah!

Ow, come on, it wasn't *that* dogdy...
If you compare it with *shudder* DareDevil...

And about the length: It seems hip in this time to have long movies in the two hours+ region...

And the shimmer was somewhat cool

[Admiral Valdemar]

The only downfalls were some dodgy CGI and ther length, but I guess the first film in a great series does pale sometimes, I know The Matrix looks a lot less appealing now Matrix: Reloaded is coming out.

I just knew the film would end when we saw that shimmer in the water though, gah!

Ow, come on, it wasn't *that* dogdy...
If you compare it with *shudder* DareDevil...

And about the length: It seems hip in this time to have long movies in the two hours+ region...

And the shimmer was somewhat cool

Well it was only about an hour and a half compared to X2s two hours ten minutes and a lot more happened in that space too that kept you glued to the screen.

I think the best bits were Nightcrawler's opening infiltration and the Wolverine Yuriko fight followed by Magneto escaping.

[Dahak]

The only downfalls were some dodgy CGI and ther length, but I guess the first film in a great series does pale sometimes, I know The Matrix looks a lot less appealing now Matrix: Reloaded is coming out.

I just knew the film would end when we saw that shimmer in the water though, gah!

Ow, come on, it wasn't *that* dogdy...
If you compare it with *shudder* DareDevil...

And about the length: It seems hip in this time to have long movies in the two hours+ region...

And the shimmer was somewhat cool

The Nightcrawler sequence was breathtaking... And the Wolverine fight was nice, too.
One of my other favourite scenes is at the beginning in the museum, where Xavier really shows some of his Überness

But what really seperates the X movies from other movies is the really good acting, especially Ian McKellen and Patrick Stewart (they are both awesome), and giving the movie a real meaning, not just some cartoon wankfest like DareDevil...

Well it was only about an hour and a half compared to X2s two hours ten minutes and a lot more happened in that space too that kept you glued to the screen.

I think the best bits were Nightcrawler's opening infiltration and the Wolverine Yuriko fight followed by Magneto escaping.

[neoolong]

Actually in X-Men, maybe not the movies, you do occasionally see mutants that have "powers" that don't amount to a survival advantage really.

Like one guy had the power of, being really really hairy. Seriously.

Exactly: "occasionally." If it was evolution, you'd see a shitload of mutants with useless or detrimental mutations, while only a handful would have kick-ass X-Men superpowers. In other words, there'd be a lot more Massive Vomitous Excretions Boys running around.

Yes you're right. But one thing to remember, the comic is about action. Therefore you are most likely to see mutants with powerful abilities. And there may be many mutants that have little difference than regular humans that are just missed.

Of course, you're still probably right, but much of it can be rationalized. If you want to do that.

[Admiral Valdemar]

Heh, I challenger anyone to rationalize the "mutations" in X-Men.

If we could evolve the ability to control fire and read minds or regenerate our injuries practically instantly, I think we'd have some pretty mean bioweapons by now, eh?

[neoolong]

Heh, I challenger anyone to rationalize the "mutations" in X-Men.

If we could evolve the ability to control fire and read minds or regenerate our injuries practically instantly, I think we'd have some pretty mean bioweapons by now, eh?

Actually I worked out an idea that, while it cannot explain how the powers are possible, explains how their development could be considered evolution, to a degree.

Oh, and I prefer Anna Paquin, though a mass orgy of me, Jean Grey, Mystique, Storm, and Rogue, would not be a bad thing.

[Admiral Valdemar]

Heh, I challenger anyone to rationalize the "mutations" in X-Men.

If we could evolve the ability to control fire and read minds or regenerate our injuries practically instantly, I think we'd have some pretty mean bioweapons by now, eh?

Actually I worked out an idea that, while it cannot explain how the powers are possible, explains how their development could be considered evolution, to a degree.

Oh, and I prefer Anna Paquin, though a mass orgy of me, Jean Grey, Mystique, Storm, and Rogue, would not be a bad thing.

Until someone evolves the everlasting orgasm, I'm not interested.

[Utsanomiko]

"Vomit Boy" reminds me of an idea I mentioned to Spanky about doing smething on X-Men eventually for our 'supposedly upcoming' webcomic ( Missed the theatrical release, but we still might make it for the DVD release, depending on when during summer he starts drawing), where on of the main chracters looks over his old 'realistic' X-Men fanfic.

The first 5-7 panels would basically introduce 'The Dewlap'; a guy with a huge flap of skin hanging from his neck and desperately trying to act like it makes him intimidating, followed by a girl telling him "At least you've got a code name. What the hell can I come up with for my 'enhanced sense of taste'?"

Then 'Cancerous Spooge' shows up, who admits he feels "not too bad, but I've run out of calamine lotion, so I'm getting a bit itchy." The last panel reveals it's just a fanfic written by one of the main chracters back in 8th grade as a 'realistic' X-Men. Naturally, he's then informed it sucks.

[Clone Sergeant]

There actually was a "vomit boy" in one of the X-books.

Zeitgeist

The character is deceased though.

[Admiral Valdemar]

There actually was a "vomit boy" in one of the X-books.

Zeitgeist

The character is deceased though.

Natural selection in action, folks.

Of course sexual selection would also contribute since even if these useless mutants did survive, I doubt anyone would breed with them, useful and useless attributes are worthless if they aren't passed on.

[Darth Wong]

Well making Ice is hardly up there as a kickarse power, and what exactly is the survival advantage of being magnetic, or not being able to open your eye's in a natural environment? It's not the powers, it's how strong they are and what the people involved do with them. Mind you Vomit boy ould have been a laugh.

The greatest evolutionary advantage would be Fertility Man. Somebody who sprays huge pheremone traces around himself, attracts women in droves, and has a ridiculously high sperm count and motility. Mind you, it would be difficult to incorporate this man into a movie without losing that PG-13 rating.

[Lord of the Farce]

The greatest evolutionary advantage would be Fertility Man. Somebody who sprays huge pheremone traces around himself, attracts women in droves, and has a ridiculously high sperm count and motility. Mind you, it would be difficult to incorporate this man into a movie without losing that PG-13 rating.

The guy would probably need friendship pheremones, or he'll be one dead had been Fertility Man when disgruntled guys take their revenge.

[Ghost Rider]

The greatest evolutionary advantage would be Fertility Man. Somebody who sprays huge pheremone traces around himself, attracts women in droves, and has a ridiculously high sperm count and motility. Mind you, it would be difficult to incorporate this man into a movie without losing that PG-13 rating.

They have this...they call him the Mandrill.

He looks like a mandrill(or some type of monkey)...but sprays phermones to attract beautiful women.

[Admiral Valdemar]

The greatest evolutionary advantage would be Fertility Man. Somebody who sprays huge pheremone traces around himself, attracts women in droves, and has a ridiculously high sperm count and motility. Mind you, it would be difficult to incorporate this man into a movie without losing that PG-13 rating.

They have this...they call him the Mandrill.

He looks like a mandrill(or some type of monkey)...but sprays phermones to attract beautiful women.

Eugh, well there goes my respect for women with good taste.

[SirNitram]

Well making Ice is hardly up there as a kickarse power, and what exactly is the survival advantage of being magnetic, or not being able to open your eye's in a natural environment? It's not the powers, it's how strong they are and what the people involved do with them. Mind you Vomit boy ould have been a laugh.

The greatest evolutionary advantage would be Fertility Man. Somebody who sprays huge pheremone traces around himself, attracts women in droves, and has a ridiculously high sperm count and motility. Mind you, it would be difficult to incorporate this man into a movie without losing that PG-13 rating.

This becomes dangerous in 21st century society. The legal issues alone...

Meanwhile, a shapeshifter like Mystique, equipped with mild telepathy, could easily impersonate the 'dream mate' of any subject, and thus ensure reproduction without the nasty habit of having a horde of women following you when you have to hide from the genepolice.

On the subject of sex-related mutations, I still give the cup to my own created Terrosians. High flexibility(Bone structure has atrophied into a cartiledge system similar to a shark's), females ovulate once sex is begun(Much like a cat, higher chance of pregnancy), high probability of multiple births, strong cultural acceptance of polygamy and communal child-rearing.

[neoolong]

There actually was a "vomit boy" in one of the X-books.

Zeitgeist

The character is deceased though.

Natural selection in action, folks.

Of course sexual selection would also contribute since even if these useless mutants did survive, I doubt anyone would breed with them, useful and useless attributes are worthless if they aren't passed on.

Actually, only if power was the selective process for sexual selection. I think many of the more powerful mutants probably aren't that attractive.

[Admiral Valdemar]

There actually was a "vomit boy" in one of the X-books.

Zeitgeist

The character is deceased though.

Natural selection in action, folks.

Of course sexual selection would also contribute since even if these useless mutants did survive, I doubt anyone would breed with them, useful and useless attributes are worthless if they aren't passed on.

Actually, only if power was the selective process for sexual selection. I think many of the more powerful mutants probably aren't that attractive.

Well, in Nature the most elaborately decorated and unique male is often selected by teh female to mate. Now sometimes this can mean the male is also the most powerful, take Peacocks for instance. As with most all males they have the most beautiful body unlike the female (it's odd for humans) but if their long, flowing tail feathers make them appetizing meals for Tigers then they're useless, they need to be able to fly away from predators so there is a cut off limit with looks it would seem.

Same instance can occur with deer, if two males want a mate then they go through the standard howling patterns to determine just how strong one another is from a distance. Once that stage is over, they go into parallel walks, sizing one another up physically before finally going to work and fighting. The one that leaves first is the loser and has to find another mate if he isn't killed in the process.

It varies from species to species, maybe in humans sexual selection will fall down to looks more than practicality as with peacocks, provided those humans aren't killed off by the more powerful ones that look like the backside of a rhino.

[Hethrir]

Oh, and I prefer Anna Paquin, though a mass orgy of me, Jean Grey, Mystique, Storm, and Rogue, would not be a bad thing.

Anna Paquin yes; the other are hot, but too many fights would result

[2000AD]

Saw it and i agree it rocks!

While i agree the Nightcrawler fight scene was great, my favourite fight was Wolverine in the mansion. We finally get to see those claws working!

On a side note i've created a X3 predictions thread in Othe Sci-Fi forum.

[Admiral Valdemar]

Saw it and i agree it rocks!

While i agree the Nightcrawler fight scene was great, my favourite fight was Wolverine in the mansion. We finally get to see those claws working!

On a side note i've created a X3 predictions thread in Othe Sci-Fi forum.

Quite violent given the 12A rating it got, though no real blood or anything.

He even used "bub" more.

[neoolong]

Well, in Nature the most elaborately decorated and unique male is often selected by teh female to mate. Now sometimes this can mean the male is also the most powerful, take Peacocks for instance. As with most all males they have the most beautiful body unlike the female (it's odd for humans) but if their long, flowing tail feathers make them appetizing meals for Tigers then they're useless, they need to be able to fly away from predators so there is a cut off limit with looks it would seem.

Same instance can occur with deer, if two males want a mate then they go through the standard howling patterns to determine just how strong one another is from a distance. Once that stage is over, they go into parallel walks, sizing one another up physically before finally going to work and fighting. The one that leaves first is the loser and has to find another mate if he isn't killed in the process.

It varies from species to species, maybe in humans sexual selection will fall down to looks more than practicality as with peacocks, provided those humans aren't killed off by the more powerful ones that look like the backside of a rhino.

Yes, but in terms of where mutations are in the X-Men Universe, who do you think a woman would rather sleep with, someone that looks like Angel(Archangel), or Nightcrawler.

[Admiral Valdemar]

Well, in Nature the most elaborately decorated and unique male is often selected by teh female to mate. Now sometimes this can mean the male is also the most powerful, take Peacocks for instance. As with most all males they have the most beautiful body unlike the female (it's odd for humans) but if their long, flowing tail feathers make them appetizing meals for Tigers then they're useless, they need to be able to fly away from predators so there is a cut off limit with looks it would seem.

Same instance can occur with deer, if two males want a mate then they go through the standard howling patterns to determine just how strong one another is from a distance. Once that stage is over, they go into parallel walks, sizing one another up physically before finally going to work and fighting. The one that leaves first is the loser and has to find another mate if he isn't killed in the process.

It varies from species to species, maybe in humans sexual selection will fall down to looks more than practicality as with peacocks, provided those humans aren't killed off by the more powerful ones that look like the backside of a rhino.

Yes, but in terms of where mutations are in the X-Men Universe, who do you think a woman would rather sleep with, someone that looks like Angel(Archangel), or Nightcrawler.

Hence my Peacock analogy.

But if a full blown war occured they may not have a choice once all the prettyboys with crap powers succumb to the big bad ugly mothers with uber powers.

[2000AD]

Quite violent given the 12A rating it got, though no real blood or anything.

He even used "bub" more.

Thing is, in the comics and the cartoons i've never seen him kill anyone with his claws before. Mind you i haven't read that many of the comics.

[Admiral Valdemar]

Quite violent given the 12A rating it got, though no real blood or anything.

He even used "bub" more.

Thing is, in the comics and the cartoons i've never seen him kill anyone with his claws before. Mind you i haven't read that many of the comics.

That's why when he went postal on those spec-ops guys I was surprised he actually stabbed them and cut them to ribbons, I expected the normal comic book idea of cutting the weapons up and getting them to run off.

That's why most kiddies cartoons have funky laser weapons instead of true guns because a zap and a singe is a lot more pleasant to a supersonic slug of lead blasting a hole through your enemy.