[STGOD-ITA] Interstellar Trade Alliance - official thread

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2003-05-01 06:56pm

The Emperor would like to mention that restricting people from this alliance based on their political affliations runs counter to the very idea of free trade. The Emperor wonders if this is a trade alliance or a military junta.

Spyder · Post by **Spyder** » 2003-05-01 07:03pm

It is clear that as more issues are arrising, some members are not excercising their democratic right to vote. Before the ITA can move ahead with future proposals (and future memberships) we believe that we should establish a resolution on all unfinished proposals before we move ahead.

The Minmatar propose a 24 hour timelimit from the time of this post before polls are closed and the majority votes of those that have voted decide the outcome.

Act 4: Proposed by the Asgard Empire involes trade sanctions against the NRE for slavery. (100% Tarrifs, effectively doubling export costs to ITA members)

Yea:
Asgard
Floaters
Durandal's Empire
Minmatar
Kelia Alliance

Nay:
Monacoran

Act 5: Legalized recreational pharmaceuticals a requirement amongst all ITA Members. -Measure fails

Yea:
Durandal's Empire
Floaters
UPK

Nay:
Asgard
Minmatar
PIR
Soirehtyiaz
Krytos

Raptor 597 · Post by **Raptor 597** » 2003-05-01 07:06pm

The Mensia-Dorian Hegemony requests to join the Interstellar Trade Alliance. Our society is completely atheistic and we do not own any slaves and have our anti-slavery laws. Our official Ally, Mismeir Gosthia does have slave though we can easily apply diplomactic pressure and force them to slowly reform these legislations for slavery. Thank you for offering your time to hear my offer. Thank you.

Spyder · Post by **Spyder** » 2003-05-01 07:11pm

HemlockGrey wrote:The Emperor would like to mention that restricting people from this alliance based on their political affliations runs counter to the very idea of free trade. The Emperor wonders if this is a trade alliance or a military junta.

Free trade runs hand in hand with free speech. The Monacorans have no right to demand that the Asgard retract their statement saying that they will support The Republic of Tho'a-hal if they support anti-slavery measures. It is the Asgard's right to express their views upon the open ITA forum.

Slavery however is the ultimate insult to free trade as it inflicts involuntary servertude on potential competitors and trading partners.

Straha · Post by **Straha** » 2003-05-01 07:40pm

Spyder wrote:
HemlockGrey wrote:The Emperor would like to mention that restricting people from this alliance based on their political affliations runs counter to the very idea of free trade. The Emperor wonders if this is a trade alliance or a military junta.
Free trade runs hand in hand with free speech. The Monacorans have no right to demand that the Asgard retract their statement saying that they will support The Republic of Tho'a-hal if they support anti-slavery measures. It is the Asgard's right to express their views upon the open ITA forum.

So according to you I would have no right to oppose a member state saying "I will only vote for you if you remove all trade sanctions you have against me for nuking your capital" because that would only be views openly announced, and not extortion.

On a second note I try to defend the NRE for two reasons, firstly they are allies and border neighbors with a decent military, and according to the alliance I have with them me interupting trade with them is grounds for war.

Secondly I honnestly think sanctions will do nothing, it won't change his people's views on slavery, and the rights of holding them. It will, however, make them belligerent and angry against this alliance as a whole.

Lord of the Farce · Post by **Lord of the Farce** » 2003-05-01 07:41pm

Stormbringer wrote:
Lord of the Farce wrote:To those concerned: The Republic of Tho'a-hal respectfully request membership into the Interstellar Trade Alliance.
So long as you support the anti-slavey measures.

As the Republic of Tho'a-hal is already a signatory to the Anti-Slavery Alliance, I believe this is covered.

Darksider · Post by **Darksider** » 2003-05-01 07:58pm

Nea on act 5

Spyder · Post by **Spyder** » 2003-05-01 08:24pm

Straha wrote:
Spyder wrote:
HemlockGrey wrote:The Emperor would like to mention that restricting people from this alliance based on their political affliations runs counter to the very idea of free trade. The Emperor wonders if this is a trade alliance or a military junta.
Free trade runs hand in hand with free speech. The Monacorans have no right to demand that the Asgard retract their statement saying that they will support The Republic of Tho'a-hal if they support anti-slavery measures. It is the Asgard's right to express their views upon the open ITA forum.
So according to you I would have no right to oppose a member state saying "I will only vote for you if you remove all trade sanctions you have against me for nuking your capital" because that would only be views openly announced, and not extortion.

On a second note I try to defend the NRE for two reasons, firstly they are allies and border neighbors with a decent military, and according to the alliance I have with them me interupting trade with them is grounds for war.

Secondly I honnestly think sanctions will do nothing, it won't change his people's views on slavery, and the rights of holding them. It will, however, make them belligerent and angry against this alliance as a whole.

First point: The Asgard's offer was "support my position and I will support yours" not "support my position or bad things will happen to you". Therefor it is not extortion.

Second point: Slavery is an abomination in the face of free trade, trade sanctions against Empires that still practise slavery is a powerful message that such practises will not be tolerated by the enlightened members of the trading community.

Spyder · Post by **Spyder** » 2003-05-01 08:28pm

Lord of the Farce wrote:
Stormbringer wrote:
Lord of the Farce wrote:To those concerned: The Republic of Tho'a-hal respectfully request membership into the Interstellar Trade Alliance.
So long as you support the anti-slavey measures.
As the Republic of Tho'a-hal is already a signatory to the Anti-Slavery Alliance, I believe this is covered.

The Minmatar supports Tho'a-hal membership. We will open polling for new members as soon as soon as the open issues are resolved. It shouldn't be too long.

5 out of 10 have voted nay to Act 5. It is now impossible for a majority to vote for act 5 and thus the measure fails. Nations of the ITA will not be forced into legalized recreational pharmaceuticals. This does not mean however that the said pharmaceuticals will be illegal in the ITA, it means that member nations still retain the right to decide for themselves wether or not they want to legalise their narcotics.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-05-01 08:42pm

Lord of the Farce wrote:As the Republic of Tho'a-hal is already a signatory to the Anti-Slavery Alliance, I believe this is covered.

Then we heartily endorse your membership.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2003-05-01 08:59pm

Then we heartily endorse your membership.

As do the freemen/bondmen/lovebound of the Free Floater Republics.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-05-01 09:08pm

The Kokand Empire wish to know what the current requirements/benefits of are membership.

Spyder · Post by **Spyder** » 2003-05-01 09:09pm

Alright then, membership requests

1 Raians
Yay:
Floaters
Minmatar
DE
UPK

2 Republic of Tho'a-hal
Yay:
Floaters
Minmatar
Asgard
DE
UPK

3 Outworlds Alliance
Yay:
Floaters
Minmatar
DE
Asgard
UPK

4 Mensia-Dorian Hegemony
Yay:
Minmatar
Asgard
DE
UPK

5 Whats Left
Yay:
Minmatar

Quote this post and cast your votes (Also include your Empire name when you're voting, it's getting hard to tell who's who)

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-05-01 09:13pm

Sea Skimmer wrote:The Kokand Empire wish to know what the current requirements/benefits of are membership.

Reduced/No tariffs. We now have a convoy security force as well. Basically free trade and convoy protection.

The Asgard wouldn't support the admittance of any slave holders but that's all.

Spyder · Post by **Spyder** » 2003-05-01 09:16pm

Sea Skimmer wrote:The Kokand Empire wish to know what the current requirements/benefits of are membership.

You file a request, someone will propose that we vote on your membership request, if someone seconds we vote on it. Get a majority vote and you're in. There are currently no formal requirements, what members of the ITA prefer is that tarrifs towards other ITA members are kept to 5% or lower, which is probably an issue that will be voted in in the future. What advantages the ITA does offer is that it acts as a guaranteed trade agreement between all member nations, bypassing the need for individual bilatteral treaties. It also ensures that your deep space trade convoys are protected by the ITASF under Act 2 of the ITA Constitution.

Thirdfain · Post by **Thirdfain** » 2003-05-01 09:20pm

Alright then, membership requests

1 Raians
2 Republic of Tho'a-hal
3 Outworlds Alliance

Just to make things clear-

the Free Floater Republics support the entrance of all three of these powers into the ITA.

Raptor 597 · Post by **Raptor 597** » 2003-05-01 09:27pm

We have joined the Anti-Slavery Alliance. We await your approval or disapproval of endorsment.

mauldooku · Post by **mauldooku** » 2003-05-01 09:30pm

Yay to Act 4 and 5.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-05-01 09:32pm

Badme wrote:Yay to Act 4 and 5.

Act 5 is dead.

mauldooku · Post by **mauldooku** » 2003-05-01 09:49pm

Spyder · Post by **Spyder** » 2003-05-01 10:23pm

Badme wrote:Yay to Act 4 and 5.

Added your vote to Act 4. One more yea and sactions will pass.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-05-01 10:50pm

Captain Lennox wrote:We have joined the Anti-Slavery Alliance. We await your approval or disapproval of endorsment.

Then we support your admittance.

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2003-05-02 09:28am

3rd Impact wrote:To the members of the ITA:The Outworlds Alliance hereby requests membership into the Interstellar Trade Alliance.

Yay

Post by **Alyrium Denryle** » 2003-05-02 09:33am

1 Raians
Yay:
Floaters
Minmatar

2 Republic of Tho'a-hal
Yay:
Floaters
Minmatar
Asgard

3 Outworlds Alliance
Yay:
Floaters
Minmatar

4 Mensia-Dorian Hegemony
Yay:
Minmatar
Asgard

The DE supports the memberships of all three powers.

Companion Cube · Post by **Companion Cube** » 2003-05-02 12:23pm

To add something: The Outworlds Alliance is now a member of the Anti Slavery Alliance.