Abortion Debate Split from Discrimination thread

[Enforcer Talen]

my mom says if we're worried about offending the atheists, we should stop abortion, cuz it offends her.

I ask where is that in the constitution, she says she doesnt know.

o_O

[Death from the Sea]

my mom says if we're worried about offending the atheists, we should stop abortion, cuz it offends her.

I ask where is that in the constitution, she says she doesnt know.

o_O

I would say in the all men are created equal part. Doesn't matter at what stage in your development, 1 or 100 still have rights.

[Enforcer Talen]

but 4 months before birth? when does creation count?

and, mother and fathers day aren't mentioned in the consitution seperation of church and state is.

[Darth Wong]

my mom says if we're worried about offending the atheists, we should stop abortion, cuz it offends her.

I ask where is that in the constitution, she says she doesnt know.

o_O

I would say in the all men are created equal part. Doesn't matter at what stage in your development, 1 or 100 still have rights.

By that flimsy rationale, dead people still have full rights.

[Death from the Sea]

my mom says if we're worried about offending the atheists, we should stop abortion, cuz it offends her.

I ask where is that in the constitution, she says she doesnt know.

o_O

I would say in the all men are created equal part. Doesn't matter at what stage in your development, 1 or 100 still have rights.

By that flimsy rationale, dead people still have full rights.

sure do, the right to be buried properly and not be treated like garbage. I would say that dead bodies are treated with more respect than unborn children in the laws eyes. Afterall there are laws against improperly handling dead bodies.

[Illuminatus Primus]

sure do, the right to be buried properly and not be treated like garbage. I would say that dead bodies are treated with more respect than unborn children in the laws eyes. Afterall there are laws against improperly handling dead bodies.

Is the term "full rights" unreadable to you?

That fucking means the right to vote and the persuit of happiness yadda yadda yadda.

Prove a cluster of cells is a human life. Put up or shut up.

[Enforcer Talen]

-suggests they bump the abortion debate, cuz that has 70 posts on it already-

[Death from the Sea]

sure do, the right to be buried properly and not be treated like garbage. I would say that dead bodies are treated with more respect than unborn children in the laws eyes. Afterall there are laws against improperly handling dead bodies.

Is the term "full rights" unreadable to you?

That fucking means the right to vote and the persuit of happiness yadda yadda yadda.

Prove a cluster of cells is a human life. Put up or shut up.

Are not you a cluster of cells? granted much more complex, but given time that simple cluster of cells becomes human. The heart starts beating around day 28 of the pregnancy, so explain how that is not human life.
*by the way sorry if I caused the hijacking of this thread*

Back on topic like Stravo said earlier

They are NOT SPONSORING a particular faith. THAT is the protection granted every citizen. They ARE sponsoring a religion neutral act and that IS ALLOWED under the Constitution.

Not sponsoring one particular religion, but a general religious act and that is ok.

[Colonel Olrik]

Are not you a cluster of cells? granted much more complex, but given time that simple cluster of cells becomes human. The heart starts beating around day 28 of the pregnancy, so explain how that is not human life.

A man is an aglomerate of cells. So is a tree, an elephant and a rat. Being a cluster of cells is far from equating human life. Excluding the tree, all the others also have heart beat. Prove that a dividing cell is more human than them.

The medical definition of death is zero brain activity. It is our conscious thought that distinguish us from all the other life forms. It is therefore a good reference to define the beggining of a human life. A cluster of cells doesn't have brain activity, a fetus in the last semester has. Somewhere in the middle the line between not human and human is crossed.

[Iceberg]

sure do, the right to be buried properly and not be treated like garbage. I would say that dead bodies are treated with more respect than unborn children in the laws eyes. Afterall there are laws against improperly handling dead bodies.

Is the term "full rights" unreadable to you?

That fucking means the right to vote and the persuit of happiness yadda yadda yadda.

Dude, where have you lived all your life? Ask any Chicago Democrat and he'll tell you that the dead DEFINITELY have the right to vote.

[SPOOFE]

but given time that simple cluster of cells becomes human.

Yes, given time. But UNTIL that time, it's just a cluster of cells, and NOT a human. Probably until around two months before birth, it should not be considered a human.

[Darth Wong]

Prove a cluster of cells is a human life. Put up or shut up.

Are not you a cluster of cells? granted much more complex, but given time that simple cluster of cells becomes human. The heart starts beating around day 28 of the pregnancy, so explain how that is not human life.

Human life is human thought. A brain-dead person is legally dead, idiot. So until we get significant brain activity (which is around halfway through the pregnancy), we don't have human life. All we have is a bag of non-sentient flesh.

Not sponsoring one particular religion, but a general religious act and that is ok.

You say it's OK, therefore it's OK? What a powerful argument

[Durandal]

sure do, the right to be buried properly and not be treated like garbage. I would say that dead bodies are treated with more respect than unborn children in the laws eyes. Afterall there are laws against improperly handling dead bodies.

So a dead person has the right to life? What about cadavers? As a human, I have the right to not be cut open with surgical instruments. What about autopsies? Why don't we ask the dead person before perform an autopsy?

Dead people are lumps of flesh. The fact that we treat them with respect is out of respect for who the person was when he was alive. It's not because they have fucking human rights. By your dumbshit rationale, a worm has rights, too.

[UltraViolence83]

Up until last year I was a staunch pro-choicer. Now I'm about halfway to complete pro-choicer if it were on a spectrum. I honestly don't care what people do most of the time; even if I were one to consider abortion murder I still wouldn't care if others did it because I don't care that people kill each other.

A rape...Of course I'd say it's OK to abort! Accident...Well, I was an accident, so I'm somewhat against the killing of a fetus (in late stages, anyway) that wasn't wanted, being that I'm not total white trash because of it. But, to each [her] own. If I got my theoretical girlfriend pregnant and she didn't want it, I'd try to convince her otherwise.

Perhaps this stems from my being a sentimental old fool...I don't even squash insects unless they're directly annoying me, like a mosquito.

[InnerBrat]

Up until last year I was a staunch pro-choicer. Now I'm about halfway to complete pro-choicer if it were on a spectrum. I honestly don't care what people do most of the time; even if I were one to consider abortion murder I still wouldn't care if others did it because I don't care that people kill each other.

A rape...Of course I'd say it's OK to abort! Accident...Well, I was an accident, so I'm somewhat against the killing of a fetus (in late stages, anyway) that wasn't wanted, being that I'm not total white trash because of it. But, to each [her] own. If I got my theoretical girlfriend pregnant and she didn't want it, I'd try to convince her otherwise.

Perhaps this stems from my being a sentimental old fool...I don't even squash insects unless they're directly annoying me, like a mosquito.

OK, the pro-choice position actaully doesn't have that much to do with the morality of the act or not.
If you think that, irrelevant of whether she should abort or not, te choice to abort should be in the hands of the mother, and not her doctors/religion/government, then you're pro-choice

I personally don't think I'll ever abort - I didn't even have the morning after pill when I was raped - but that was my choice.

[Enforcer Talen]

Up until last year I was a staunch pro-choicer. Now I'm about halfway to complete pro-choicer if it were on a spectrum. I honestly don't care what people do most of the time; even if I were one to consider abortion murder I still wouldn't care if others did it because I don't care that people kill each other.

A rape...Of course I'd say it's OK to abort! Accident...Well, I was an accident, so I'm somewhat against the killing of a fetus (in late stages, anyway) that wasn't wanted, being that I'm not total white trash because of it. But, to each [her] own. If I got my theoretical girlfriend pregnant and she didn't want it, I'd try to convince her otherwise.

Perhaps this stems from my being a sentimental old fool...I don't even squash insects unless they're directly annoying me, like a mosquito.

Ive done the reverse. I couldnt manage to argue it for life (see old abortion topic), so Im moving away from it. I think it unethical, no matter the fetus age, but for legalities, I figure we should let it go for the first 6 months. . . and not waste them. research people, research!

[NapoleonGH]

that is the one thing i dont get about modern bushist policies. Him stoping research from stem cells when the things are dead anyway