Here's a GE/UPF Question for everyone (probably been done)

Worlds Spanner · Post by **Worlds Spanner** » 2003-05-01 09:45am

You're the GE, and you detect the Feds. hacking into your machines to steal ALL of your technology and rapid production abilities (don't ask how, it's sci. fi.). You have to time to protect ONE technology, which one?

In other words:

Which of the GE's advantages is most important, in your opinion?

I'd probably take Hyperdrive myself, since if their ships are as numerous and as tough and all that but much slower, you can pretty much just ignore them.

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-05-01 09:57am

Worlds Spanner wrote:You're the GE, and you detect the Feds. hacking into your machines to steal ALL of your technology and rapid production abilities (don't ask how, it's sci. fi.). You have to time to protect ONE technology, which one?

Even though it's sci-fi, it's still a patently ludicrous scenario. If you gave Leonardo Da Vinci the plans to a modern helicopter, he wouldn't have the ability to build it.

In other words:

Which of the GE's advantages is most important, in your opinion?

I'd probably take Hyperdrive myself, since if their ships are as numerous and as tough and all that but much slower, you can pretty much just ignore them.

I would also say hyperdrive.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2003-05-01 10:12am

Hypermatter power. i'd like to see them power the tech on AM-M annihalation.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2003-05-01 11:26am

Power generation tech. Without that, all the other stuff is useless to them.

FettKyle · Post by **FettKyle** » 2003-05-01 03:47pm

Power generation with out a doubt then I can BDZ their planet while they still trying to figure out how and if they can boost there power to the levels required.

Keevan_Colton · Post by **Keevan_Colton** » 2003-05-01 04:04pm

Batteries not included.

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2003-05-01 04:15pm

Well ship building tech is irrelevant, since they don't have the industry.

Hypermatter. Shields, weapons, hyperdrive, they're all useless without power!

Stravo · Post by **Stravo** » 2003-05-01 04:18pm

Grand Admiral Thrawn wrote:Well ship building tech is irrelevant, since they don't have the industry.

Hypermatter. Shields, weapons, hyperdrive, they're all useless without power!

As the Shadowfleet discovered much to their chagrin when faced with a similair situation. *Shameless plug alert*

SPOOFE · Post by **SPOOFE** » 2003-05-01 06:22pm

Frankly, I wouldn't be too concerned. They lack the industrial capability to put any of the technologies into place in a worthwhile amount of time. To mount turbolasers on their ships, they need to build stronger spaceframes... and look how long it takes them to design a new ship using conventional and well known designs. They can't just strap a HTL - or even a LTL - onto the hull of a GCS or SCS. They'd need a whole new spaceframe, orders of magnitude stronger than their current ones, to mount the weapons.

I suppose they COULD just pump more power to their structural integrity fields, but that just increases the chances of a critical failure in the ship (look how often treknology fails)... and it'd require more power input than they can make, anyway.

Shields? Maybe they can implement this, but then, without the power to back it up, as well as the superstructure to support it, it's useless.

Hyperdrive? You can't just pop a hyperdrive into a ship and expect it to work. You need the reactor assembly, sensors, engines, fields, navigation data, cutoffs, etc.

Hell, if I were in charge of the GE, I'd happily give the UFP access to ALL my knowledge. Won't help 'em in the slightest.

Kerneth · Post by **Kerneth** » 2003-05-01 07:04pm

SPOOFE wrote:Hell, if I were in charge of the GE, I'd happily give the UFP access to ALL my knowledge. Won't help 'em in the slightest.

Truly. If nothing else, seeing the power requirements, structural data, and weapons information would probably cause the Federation to sue for peace without a shot fired. Though they might not believe the information and require a...demonstration. But that's what Starfleet Headquarters, an ISD, and orbital bombardment is for.

Darth Garden Gnome · Post by **Darth Garden Gnome** » 2003-05-01 07:08pm

I'd grab a 3PO. Think of all those conflicts that would've never happened if only they knew what the alien was saying! Especially before he opened fire onyour ship for insulting his cooking...

Darth Yoshi · Post by **Darth Yoshi** » 2003-05-01 08:30pm

Armor. The most powerful HTL in the galaxy won't do you much good if you blow yourself to pieces whenever you try to shoot.

Worlds Spanner · Post by **Worlds Spanner** » 2003-05-01 08:46pm

Darth Yoshi wrote:Armor. The most powerful HTL in the galaxy won't do you much good if you blow yourself to pieces whenever you try to shoot.

Are you saying that GE armor is needed to protect itself from its own fire?

Interesting.....

Speaking generally, I like the points about power generation, although I think points about the Feds not being able to implement anything fast enough aren't in the spirit of this thread.

I'm actually starting to think that maybe I'd want to keep the turbolasers. Even if Feds have equal numbers, speed, and armor, the consensus seems to be that they can't hurt said armor while turbolasers can...eventually.

Darth Yoshi · Post by **Darth Yoshi** » 2003-05-01 11:10pm

The force of each shot would rip a Star Destroyer to shreds if not for the toucg armor and bracing in the hull. According to Slave Ship (Book 2 of the Bounty Hunter Wars) each shot has Gigaton recoil.

Slartibartfast · Post by **Slartibartfast** » 2003-05-02 01:13am

Worlds Spanner wrote:
Darth Yoshi wrote:Armor. The most powerful HTL in the galaxy won't do you much good if you blow yourself to pieces whenever you try to shoot.
Are you saying that GE armor is needed to protect itself from its own fire?

Interesting.....

I think it's common practice, for instance when designing tanks, it's always a good idea to put as much armor in the front to protect from at least a shot of its own main weapon.

Speaking generally, I like the points about power generation, although I think points about the Feds not being able to implement anything fast enough aren't in the spirit of this thread.

But they are: what good is the technology for making steel swords if your civ doesn't have access to any iron ore?

Let's say that the UFP manages to use all the technology they stole, and pool all their available resources (like pooling all the trace amounts of hypermatter, neutronium, etc whatever they can muster), and all their industry and they use it all to build a single ship, like a frigate or whatever, over the course of a year. What use is it against a power that can make hundreds of those in under month or so?

Worlds Spanner · Post by **Worlds Spanner** » 2003-05-02 02:15am

Slartibartfast wrote:Let's say that the UFP manages to use all the technology they stole, and pool all their available resources (like pooling all the trace amounts of hypermatter, neutronium, etc whatever they can muster), and all their industry and they use it all to build a single ship, like a frigate or whatever, over the course of a year. What use is it against a power that can make hundreds of those in under month or so?

Clearly no use at all.

I suppose that I should have ignored the scenario and cut to the chase:

What would be the GE's single greatest advantage, if everything else was equal?

Darth Fanboy · Post by **Darth Fanboy** » 2003-05-02 03:28am

YOu should change your username to Worlds Spammer

Typhonis 1 · Post by **Typhonis 1** » 2003-05-02 03:33am

Military might . look at the facts a fleet with several thousand if not million craft (according to Marinas calcs) this doesnt count TIE fighters and shuttles. A standing Army and Marine copr((stormtroopers)) and the ability to supply them with what they need.((DS 2 605 complete in a few months Shadows of the Empire)).

Federation hasnt got the industrial /population base to fight them .

SPOOFE · Post by **SPOOFE** » 2003-05-02 06:48am

I think points about the Feds not being able to implement anything fast enough aren't in the spirit of this thread.

I disagree. The Feds require years to implement their tiny, familiar designs. How long would it take them to implement technology that requires a total re-thinking of their school of engineering? Weapons, hyperdrive, and power generation technology would be floating around for quite some time before they're of any significant use, and by that time, the entire Federation would be dead.

Conversely, sensors and computers could be installed in pre-existing ships, with only slight modification.

SPOOFE · Post by **SPOOFE** » 2003-05-02 06:49am

What would be the GE's single greatest advantage, if everything else was equal?

The will to use the technology available to them.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2003-05-02 10:27am

SPOOFE wrote:
What would be the GE's single greatest advantage, if everything else was equal?
The will to use the technology available to them.

I disagree. You could outfit them with inferior tech, equal to the Federation, and they'd still win for one reason: Superior production. They can mass-produce ships on a whim, produce massive stations, and deploy these vessels.

One could drop the power of an ISD to a Galaxy-classes equal, make it have a Warp-Drive speed, but the Empire will still win because they can hurl thousands forward.

JodoForce · Post by **JodoForce** » 2003-05-02 12:55pm

And what use would that be if they were just as touchy-feely as the Feds?

Worlds Spanner · Post by **Worlds Spanner** » 2003-05-02 12:56pm

Darth Fanboy wrote:YOu should change your username to Worlds Spammer

Hmmm....I've started two threads and then actually followed them and responded to responses. I don't really see that as spamming.

SPOOFE · Post by **SPOOFE** » 2003-05-02 03:44pm

I disagree. You could outfit them with inferior tech, equal to the Federation, and they'd still win for one reason: Superior production. They can mass-produce ships on a whim, produce massive stations, and deploy these vessels.

Yeah... and the reason they do all this is because they have the will to use the technology available to them.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2003-05-02 06:54pm

SPOOFE wrote:
I disagree. You could outfit them with inferior tech, equal to the Federation, and they'd still win for one reason: Superior production. They can mass-produce ships on a whim, produce massive stations, and deploy these vessels.
Yeah... and the reason they do all this is because they have the will to use the technology available to them.

No, it's because they have superior production/infrastructure. The Federation can get the backbone to use it's tech, but it still doesn't do much.

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