georgia plans white only prom

Iceberg · Post by **Iceberg** » 2003-05-02 04:13pm

I'm of two minds about this. On the one hand, I have no moral qualms with letting morons show exctly how retarded they really are, and this certainly fits the bill.

On the other hand, I don't think we should really be tolerating racism like this in the 21st century.

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2003-05-02 09:45pm

If it is a private thing, it's fully within their rights.

Of course, it's fully within other people's rights to picket, protest, and generally call them morons.

Axis Kast · Post by **Axis Kast** » 2003-05-02 09:46pm

Again, if there's a basis for any legal action at all, somebody will find it.

And I wouldn't say that there hasn't been a mass outpouring of anger. This is plastered just about everywhere I look.

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2003-05-02 10:01pm

Dumbasses.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-05-02 10:41pm

Axis Kast wrote:Again, if there's a basis for any legal action at all, somebody will find it.

The problem is there isn't. It's private so they have the right to discriminate. That's been reaffirmed over and over. It's legally protected and there's no good reason to change that for private groups. It's a different standard than public/governementally supported groups.

A boycott would be appropriate and effective. Of course it won't happen.

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2003-05-02 10:51pm

Axis Kast wrote:Again, if there's a basis for any legal action at all, somebody will find it.

And I wouldn't say that there hasn't been a mass outpouring of anger. This is plastered just about everywhere I look.

If any court actually found the private institution in the wrong, it would set a gigantic precedent for all sorts of discrimination in private institutions. Catholic schools would have to hang signs on their doors with "SUE ME" in big, fat letters. That just won't happen.

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2003-05-03 12:08am

That would make a bad situation worse.

Death from the Sea · Post by **Death from the Sea** » 2003-05-03 01:05am

Superman wrote:Well, I have been to Japan a good nine times, and I have never experienced any of this racism. I also have some friends that teach English and live there. I will live there for a few years while I teach English...

Anyway, I wonder if this party is going to stir up protests.

Well all I can say is I am glad you have not met any racial intolerance over there.
I was not so fortunate. I spent seven months in Okinawa and I would say about 50% of my encounters with locals were not so cordial because I was a white, American, Marine (but the ones that were cool, were really cool) and I even met some guys that were white that lived there and they didn't get much better treatment themselves. Racial intolerance is everywhere I don't care where you are. Just because you have not seen it does not mean it does not exist there.
Now that being said that does NOT make the all white prom anymore ok, in fact I think it is totally fucked up. I am actually wondering how they can legally do that because correct me if I am wrong but discrimination is illegal these days.

Death from the Sea · Post by **Death from the Sea** » 2003-05-03 01:06am

EDIT to my previous post I did not catch the whole private school part. SORRY!

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-05-03 01:07am

Now that being said that does NOT make the all white prom anymore ok, in fact I think it is totally fucked up. I am actually wondering how they can legally do that because correct me if I am wrong but discrimination is illegal these days.

They get away with if because it's private. That means it's legally allowable. Shitty but legal.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-05-03 01:07am

Death from the Sea wrote:EDIT to my previous post I did not catch the whole private school part. SORRY!

It's not a private school, just a private party.

Death from the Sea · Post by **Death from the Sea** » 2003-05-03 01:10am

Stormbringer wrote:
Death from the Sea wrote:EDIT to my previous post I did not catch the whole private school part. SORRY!
It's not a private school, just a private party.

Well that would explain my confusion then.

I still think that it should be illegal.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-05-03 01:18am

Death from the Sea wrote:Well that would explain my confusion then.

Yup.

Death from the Sea wrote:I still think that it should be illegal.

While it allows people like this to do stuff like that, the law is sound. It's like free speech, it protects reasonable people and shit heads alike.

Death from the Sea · Post by **Death from the Sea** » 2003-05-03 01:31am

Stormbringer wrote:
Death from the Sea wrote:I still think that it should be illegal.
While it allows people like this to do stuff like that, the law is sound. It's like free speech, it protects reasonable people and shit heads alike.

Let me clarify what I mean by my statement earlier. I mean that racial discrimination should be illegal of any kind, private groups or otherwise. I do believe in the who 'we reserve the right' type of thing. (like you see at restaraunts all the time) but that is aimed at shitheads and not racial barriers.

Death from the Sea · Post by **Death from the Sea** » 2003-05-03 01:34am

Oh and if it was something like a KKK prom party then I would see where it might be ok(I am not endorsing the KKK in anyway), because being white is part of the whole purpose of the KKK ya know. but since it is just a HS party well it is not against the founding policy of the school to have an integrated party is it?

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-05-03 01:35am

Death from the Sea wrote:Let me clarify what I mean by my statement earlier. I mean that racial discrimination should be illegal of any kind, private groups or otherwise. I do believe in the who 'we reserve the right' type of thing. (like you see at restaraunts all the time) but that is aimed at shitheads and not racial barriers.

The point is the where do we draw the line issue? I would love to see racism stamped out, the problem is how to do it. Though police aren't the asnwer.

It's like free speech, you simply have to take the good with the bad. the best way to stamp out stuff like this is boycotts and protests. Legislation runs it's own risks and shouldn't be applied lightly given all the doors such a law would open up.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-05-03 01:36am

Death from the Sea wrote:Oh and if it was something like a KKK prom party then I would see where it might be ok(I am not endorsing the KKK in anyway), because being white is part of the whole purpose of the KKK ya know. but since it is just a HS party well it is not against the founding policy of the school to have an integrated party is it?

It's obviously agaisnt school policy. But it's a private party so they can do that. Like it or not they have the legal right.

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2003-05-03 01:40am

Stormbringer wrote:
Death from the Sea wrote:Oh and if it was something like a KKK prom party then I would see where it might be ok(I am not endorsing the KKK in anyway), because being white is part of the whole purpose of the KKK ya know. but since it is just a HS party well it is not against the founding policy of the school to have an integrated party is it?
It's obviously agaisnt school policy. But it's a private party so they can do that. Like it or not they have the legal right.

Actually, there are instances of public schools punishing students for activities committed outside of school, not during school hours, if memory serves. I think they claim it "gives the school a bad reputation" or something. My private high school pulled that bullshit, but I'm pretty sure that there are public schools that have done the same thing.

Death from the Sea · Post by **Death from the Sea** » 2003-05-03 01:42am

Stormbringer wrote:The point is the where do we draw the line issue? I would love to see racism stamped out, the problem is how to do it. Though police aren't the asnwer.

It's like free speech, you simply have to take the good with the bad. the best way to stamp out stuff like this is boycotts and protests. Legislation runs it's own risks and shouldn't be applied lightly given all the doors such a law would open up.

Too true, making that distinction would be too tough, unfortunately.

Unfortunately the bad in this case does more damage than can be repaired by others good gestures/will.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-05-03 01:44am

Durandal wrote:Actually, there are instances of public schools punishing students for activities committed outside of school, not during school hours, if memory serves. I think they claim it "gives the school a bad reputation" or something. My private high school pulled that bullshit, but I'm pretty sure that there are public schools that have done the same thing.

There have been those sort of cases. But frankly those are a grey area at best. There have been an equal number of cases where the decision was overturned later. The rules for that tend to be stricter for public schools regarding that kind of thing. Whether they could stop the discriminatory dance is debatable from a purely legal point of view.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-05-03 08:16am

Stormbringer wrote:
Durandal wrote:Actually, there are instances of public schools punishing students for activities committed outside of school, not during school hours, if memory serves. I think they claim it "gives the school a bad reputation" or something. My private high school pulled that bullshit, but I'm pretty sure that there are public schools that have done the same thing.
There have been those sort of cases. But frankly those are a grey area at best. There have been an equal number of cases where the decision was overturned later. The rules for that tend to be stricter for public schools regarding that kind of thing. Whether they could stop the discriminatory dance is debatable from a purely legal point of view.

The fact that they haven't even TRIED says all that we need to know about Donkey Fucker-Ville.

Axis Kast · Post by **Axis Kast** » 2003-05-03 09:07am

Georgia will take significant flak over this. Especially if major politicians don't come out and roundly condemn the whole affair.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-05-03 10:23am

Darth Wong wrote:The fact that they haven't even TRIED says all that we need to know about Donkey Fucker-Ville.

I would tend to agree with you. But then again the legal precedents are against the school why would they enter what would no doubt be a drawn out legal struggle?

What is more telling is the fact people are going rather than boycotting it. The lack of any serious protest of it is a much stronger statement than the school's. It's a damn shame that people still support crap like that.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-05-03 10:28am

Stormbringer wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:The fact that they haven't even TRIED says all that we need to know about Donkey Fucker-Ville.
I would tend to agree with you. But then again the legal precedents are against the school why would they enter what would no doubt be a drawn out legal struggle?

Actually, I think the school would probably have a case if they did try. I find it HIGHLY doubtful that this thing was organized without a single flyer or advertisement on school grounds, which means that white-segregationist literature was posted on school property without permission. Moreover, it is more than likely that the connection to the school's student body is made in the name of the event, ie- it is being widely referred to as the "Donkey-Fucker High School Whites-Only Prom" or whatever the actual name of the school is. This means that the name of the school is being associated with the event, which is totally unacceptable.

What is more telling is the fact people are going rather than boycotting it. The lack of any serious protest of it is a much stronger statement than the school's. It's a damn shame that people still support crap like that.

I think that both the student body and the school should be ashamed of themselves. Sadly, they're probably not.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-05-03 10:38am

Actually, I think the school would probably have a case if they did try. I find it HIGHLY doubtful that this thing was organized without a single flyer or advertisement on school grounds, which means that white-segregationist literature was posted on school property without permission. Moreover, it is more than likely that the connection to the school's student body is made in the name of the event, ie- it is being widely referred to as the "Donkey-Fucker High School Whites-Only Prom" or whatever the actual name of the school is. This means that the name of the school is being associated with the event, which is totally unacceptable.

The Boy Scouts engage in discrimination as well yet schools are allowed to support Troops same as before. Given the cost of the legal wrangling to a school, it's entirely understandable why they wouldn't. The case could easily wind up at the state supreme court level if not higher. Do you have any idea how much money that is? It'd be huge chunk of the school's budget. It wouldn't be worth it to go and lose; the precedents against such an action are pretty strong and recent.

Blaming the school for not doing something it can't do is a little silly. It sounds like the administration isn't exactly in favor of it but they can't do anything legally.

I think that both the student body and the school should be ashamed of themselves. Sadly, they're probably not.

No, the ones that support it should be ashamed. Those that are upset and boycotting it have no reason to be ashamed of themselves. Don't assume that every one the south is racist, Mike.