Iowa State Men's Basketball Coach's Ill Behavior

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-05-04 01:43am

Darth Wong wrote:
Durran Korr wrote:The point is, it helps. There can be no doubt that quality athletics do bring prestige and invaluable PR to public universities.
Because Americans have lost sight of what a university is supposed to be.

Perhaps. There are some Universities where academics are indeed sacrificed considerably for athletics, but there are also many where outstanding athletics and academics coexist.

Darth Fanboy · Post by **Darth Fanboy** » 2003-05-04 02:54am

Durran Korr wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:
Durran Korr wrote:The point is, it helps. There can be no doubt that quality athletics do bring prestige and invaluable PR to public universities.
Because Americans have lost sight of what a university is supposed to be.
Perhaps. There are some Universities where academics are indeed sacrificed considerably for athletics, but there are also many where outstanding athletics and academics coexist.

There are definitely many of thoise. But here in America one of the things universities like to have is prestige. And the prestige associated with a hi caliber basketball or football program means MILLIONS, its a business. Plus its a great way for those universities to recruit potential students. And even though those students are fickle to be choosing their uni based on their athletic prowess, thats still money to the university.

Edit: And they sell merchandise too, which funds other, less notable college sports which get little attention by comparison.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-05-04 03:40am

And academic prestige from sports means that parents and students evaluate universities based on their sports performance, which is just sick.

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-05-04 03:46am

Old lechers putting their hands on 19 year old girls make me ill.

Wait, amend that, old lechers putting their hands on young girls make me ill period.

Did I mention that the whole 'old man/younger woman' thing makes me wanna throw up?

Darth Fanboy · Post by **Darth Fanboy** » 2003-05-04 04:34am

Darth Wong wrote:And academic prestige from sports means that parents and students evaluate universities based on their sports performance, which is just sick.

Its a source of pride for alumni, and students who do decide to evaluate a university based on sports performance obviously have different priorities than what most of us would have, big deal, these people are either ignorant or have different priorities (such as being a student athlete looking to further their training)

Vympel wrote:Old lechers putting their hands on 19 year old girls make me ill.

Wait, amend that, old lechers putting their hands on young girls make me ill period.

Did I mention that the whole 'old man/younger woman' thing makes me wanna throw up?

And what makes it worse is that the young women put their hands on him also. A letch who gets slapped for having busy hands is one thing, but a younger girl who goes for the wrinkles and old people smell is worse.

Darth Fanboy · Post by **Darth Fanboy** » 2003-05-04 04:40am

Television Revenues, and Posteseason play revenue also contribute big to a university. playing in the college football national championship game means a cash prize in excess of $10,000,000, with a another $1,000,000 or so going to each of the teams in that schools conference.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-05-04 04:51am

Darth Fanboy wrote:Television Revenues, and Posteseason play revenue also contribute big to a university. playing in the college football national championship game means a cash prize in excess of $10,000,000, with a another $1,000,000 or so going to each of the teams in that schools conference.

Which only underscores the fact that obviously, far too many people look to universities for the wrong things. College sports are a near-religious fanatical obsession for a lot of people down there. I remember living near Michigan and being shocked at the amount of airtime being given to college sports coverage. The money being thrown at college-level athletes is obscene, and the TV coverage only exacerbates the situation.

I suspect that people living in it simply don't know there could possibly be any other way.

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-05-04 05:06am

Darth Fanboy wrote:
And what makes it worse is that the young women put their hands on him also. A letch who gets slapped for having busy hands is one thing, but a younger girl who goes for the wrinkles and old people smell is worse.

Oh I agree. Young women who go for men old enough to be their fathers (or just over 10 years older than them, really) makes me want to retch.

Darth Fanboy · Post by **Darth Fanboy** » 2003-05-04 05:20am

Darth Wong wrote: Which only underscores the fact that obviously, far too many people look to universities for the wrong things. College sports are a near-religious fanatical obsession for a lot of people down there. I remember living near Michigan and being shocked at the amount of airtime being given to college sports coverage. The money being thrown at college-level athletes is obscene, and the TV coverage only exacerbates the situation.

I suspect that people living in it simply don't know there could possibly be any other way.

Im not saying its always right but that is the way it is. Yes, College Sports are a near fanatical obsession, its a source of pride for Alumni and students and its a way for the school to put its best foot forward. A stadium with thousands of fans all wearing the school colors and signing the ight song is a great way for universities to get students involved in the school and its a good way to show people interested in registering there or donating money there that this school is a good place, these people like it. And if the school makes a few bucks of it in the process they really don't see any harm in it.

There are a lot of things though about College sports in America though that are a big part of our culture, even though there are other ways, especially in coutnries where athletics is not connected so much to academics, many of us choose to enjoy college athletics (despite the cash money involved) because its fun. You know here in the USA 80% of the population at least would tell you they could give a damn if hockey never existed (in the form of the NHL or otherwise) yet I suspect thats much different north of the border. Same with Curling.

On another somewhat related note, the university of Alabama has fired coach Mike Price before he ever even coached a game due to his antics at a strip club and in a hotel room later that same evening. This would be Alabamas 3rd coaching change in the last 4 years. And the second one with scandal involved.

Arthur_Tuxedo · Post by **Arthur_Tuxedo** » 2003-05-04 03:26pm

Vympel wrote:Oh I agree. Young women who go for men old enough to be their fathers (or just over 10 years older than them, really) makes me want to retch.

Why, because that's one less for you? Why would you want a woman who would go for much older guys anyway? I wouldn't.

InnerBrat · Post by **InnerBrat** » 2003-05-04 04:19pm

Arthur_Tuxedo wrote:
Vympel wrote:Oh I agree. Young women who go for men old enough to be their fathers (or just over 10 years older than them, really) makes me want to retch.
Why, because that's one less for you? Why would you want a woman who would go for much older guys anyway? I wouldn't.

In 10 years time, you might.

Tsyroc · Post by **Tsyroc** » 2003-05-04 05:06pm

innerbrat wrote:
Arthur_Tuxedo wrote:
Vympel wrote:Oh I agree. Young women who go for men old enough to be their fathers (or just over 10 years older than them, really) makes me want to retch.
Why, because that's one less for you? Why would you want a woman who would go for much older guys anyway? I wouldn't.
In 10 years time, you might.

That's exactly what I was thinking.

But then, I'm more than ten years older than perfectly legal 18-19 year olds.

Actually that kind of creeps me out. My parents are only 18 & 19 years older than I am. When my dad was the age I currenly am I was finishing up my junior year in high school. That gives me the heebies when I think about even the "legal" teenie boppers.

Arthur_Tuxedo · Post by **Arthur_Tuxedo** » 2003-05-04 06:08pm

innerbrat wrote:
Arthur_Tuxedo wrote:Why, because that's one less for you? Why would you want a woman who would go for much older guys anyway? I wouldn't.
In 10 years time, you might.

I doubt it. I want someone who's intelligence and knowledge is at least on an equal footing with my own, not someone I can feel superior to and treat like a child.

InnerBrat · Post by **InnerBrat** » 2003-05-04 06:20pm

Arthur_Tuxedo wrote:
innerbrat wrote:
Arthur_Tuxedo wrote:Why, because that's one less for you? Why would you want a woman who would go for much older guys anyway? I wouldn't.
In 10 years time, you might.
I doubt it. I want someone who's intelligence and knowledge is at least on an equal footing with my own, not someone I can feel superior to and treat like a child.

Crap. You think my intelligenc and knowledge is inferior to that of a 32 year old? Wanna back that up?

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-05-04 06:25pm

innerbrat wrote:
Arthur_Tuxedo wrote:I doubt it. I want someone who's intelligence and knowledge is at least on an equal footing with my own, not someone I can feel superior to and treat like a child.
Crap. You think my intelligenc and knowledge is inferior to that of a 32 year old? Wanna back that up?

Ooooh, this ought to be good!

*waits impatiently for AT to be bashed to pieces*

Actually, while the intelligence of a 32 year old has probably degraded somewhat from its peak level when he was younger, his knowledge has probably increased. He has been on the planet 50% longer than the 20 year old, therefore it is most likely that he has quite a bit more experience, ie- knowledge. Also, he's had a decade to collect his thoughts and his feelings after emerging from the hormonal nightmare of teenagehood

InnerBrat · Post by **InnerBrat** » 2003-05-04 06:30pm

Darth Wong wrote: Actually, while the intelligence of a 32 year old has probably degraded somewhat from its peak level when he was younger, his knowledge has probably increased. He has been on the planet 50% longer than the 20 year old, therefore it is most likely that he has quite a bit more experience, ie- knowledge. Also, he's had a decade to collect his thoughts and his feelings after emerging from the hormonal nightmare of teenagehood

Experience != knowledge. If the 32 year old has spent the last (oh, lets make it legal) 11 years of his life being on the receiving end of anal sex, and the 22 year old has spent the same 11 years reading about, conversing about, studying and occasionally having some anal sex, then yes, the 32 year old might have more experience of anal sex, but the 22 year old will probably have more knowledge of it.

Arthur_Tuxedo · Post by **Arthur_Tuxedo** » 2003-05-04 06:59pm

innerbrat wrote:
Arthur_Tuxedo wrote:I doubt it. I want someone who's intelligence and knowledge is at least on an equal footing with my own, not someone I can feel superior to and treat like a child.
Crap. You think my intelligenc and knowledge is inferior to that of a 32 year old? Wanna back that up?

I think you'll be smarter when you're 32 than now, obviously. And by smarter I mean more knowledgeable, more well thought-out opinions that have had a chance to endure criticism, etc. It's true that some people are so averse to learning and introspection that they don't do it once they leave school, but I'm not interested in those people, either.

Andrew J. · Post by **Andrew J.** » 2003-05-04 07:02pm

I think a big reason colleges throw so much money at sports is that it gets them lots of name recognition- if their academics aren't bad enough to become national scandals, the fame from succesful atheltics would probably bring in tons of revenue.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-05-04 07:02pm

innerbrat wrote:Experience != knowledge. If the 32 year old has spent the last (oh, lets make it legal) 11 years of his life being on the receiving end of anal sex, and the 22 year old has spent the same 11 years reading about, conversing about, studying and occasionally having some anal sex, then yes, the 32 year old might have more experience of anal sex, but the 22 year old will probably have more knowledge of it.

Let's put it this way: any individual person will know more at 32 than he or she did at 20. Unless he or she suffered major amnesia, that's just the way it is. So while it's not guaranteed that any arbitrary 32 year old will know more than any arbitrary 20 year old, there's a pretty good chance, all other things being reasonably similar. Obviously, taking a 32-year old moron and comparing him to a 20 year old genius would produce different results.

PS. Experience is a form of knowledge.

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2003-05-04 07:17pm

Experience is a form of knowledge

I was going to find a way to wittily connect this to the original topic, but I don't feel like trying.

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2003-05-04 07:27pm

Durran Korr wrote:Perhaps. There are some Universities where academics are indeed sacrificed considerably for athletics, but there are also many where outstanding athletics and academics coexist.

No, that would be every university. How much money does a typical university spend on sports? How much of that money could go toward departmental grants? An extra $50,000 would sure make my physics department happy.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-05-04 07:38pm

Basically, if the university can afford both good academics and good sports, they'll have both. If they must choose, they will fund sports before lab equipment.

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-05-04 10:30pm

Oh boyyy look what I've started

Why, because that's one less for you? Why would you want a woman who would go for much older guys anyway? I wouldn't.

Errr ... that's the point- I don't go for women who have a thing for older men. It's a put off. Ugh, he's old enough to be your ugh .... when he was 20 you were 10! Like ... ACK.

Darth Fanboy · Post by **Darth Fanboy** » 2003-05-04 10:59pm

Durandal wrote:
Durran Korr wrote:Perhaps. There are some Universities where academics are indeed sacrificed considerably for athletics, but there are also many where outstanding athletics and academics coexist.
No, that would be every university. How much money does a typical university spend on sports? How much of that money could go toward departmental grants? An extra $50,000 would sure make my physics department happy.

Outside of the Ivy League and some of the other schools like Cal Tech I'd agree.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-05-05 12:28am

AdmiralKanos wrote:
Darth Fanboy wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:Only in America are the off-campus antics of a college sports coach national news
Not National News per say, but it is huge Sports News and especiall in the state of Iowa because at $1 million per year salary he is the HIGHEST PAID STATE EMPLOYEE. SO his antics are actually quite newsworthy in that sense.
His ridiculously exorbitant pay is even more reason to roll one's eyes.

Everything in America is an exaggerated, absurd charicture of rationality or real life or common sense.