Brannon Bragas' own webbsite (and there is a forum to)

[Posbi]

I tried the polite approach:

I have been watching this forum for quite a while now, and so to say I am happy to have found some more interested Sci-Fi fans here. However, as it seems to me, those managing this webboard seem to have a rather very thin skin when it comes to criticism, or to make my point clearer, they can't stand any. Let alone during the past week at least 4 critical posts/threads have been deleted, even though no overly harsh language was used and the points brought up were important.

The question is, what is it with you who manage this board? I do know that in the disclaimer it is written that posts can be deleted without giving a reason, but shouldn't a webboard also serve as a place to state one's point and criticize the related show(s) so that things could be improved through the direct input by the fans and viewers? :-/
Because as for now - and I bet this will again get this one deleted, that's why I mirror-post it on another webboard as well - it rather seems the whole point of this board is to smear honey around the mouths of the recent lead squad of the Star Trek franchise instead of actually listening to points that arise through what is shown on-screen.
Harsh words - if it is that what is feared - are only natural in an open discussion and are actually more of a help than they hinder anything, and are part of the process of criticising what is shown to us and aid in bringing one's point to the others clearly. Personal insults, I assume we agree on this, should not be used, and have no place in such debates.

I'll state some problematic points that came up during the episodes of "Enterprise" so far:

General:
- the "Akiraprise"
I'm sorry, yell what you want, but this simply is a re-used Akira-Class strike cruiser's hull. Which is a sad fact, as it definately looks more TNG-ish than it looks TOS-ish, and definatly not Daedalus-ish. I mean, come on, in all honesty, a franchise like Star Trek that's dripping of money from every single edge, and that's all the designers could come up with? The most blatant rip-off ever???

- the mission
After taking the wounded Klingon back to Quonos, the Enterprise just heads out into the blue...
I'm really sorry, but you should think that in a project so long planned by Earth as the Enterprise-class vessel they would have had a pre-arranged list of places to visit and contacts to make, like say, that colony the humans founded, Terra Nova? Or to make contact with one of the plenty of humans spacefarers that have been out there during the seventy years since the Vulcans landed? No? Yeah, whatever...

- the technology
Humans have been out in space for more than seventy years, as Tucker's example proves, and yet none of them have made contact with the races we met so far, or at least nobody of them has ever told his respective home country back on Earth? Come on, that's blatantly naive, and you all know that. Even more so, being out there for such a long time should actually make those travellers a small but powerful group - unless we assume that all those astronauts turned out to be gypsies - due to the aquisition of now technologies and succesful trade and/or the service as mercenaries; all things that humans are predestined for.
Also, it was canonically established that up till Kirk's era and especially during the Earth-Romulan War (which has yet to come) the weapons used by both sides were lasers and nuclear tipped missiles. Yes, missiles, guided ones, and no dumb-fire photon torpedoes that in all likelyhood shouldn't even exist so far. And even IF the phaser cannons would be the newest tech available, lasers would -especially at the start- be the thing to go for Enterprise, as the would carry a far greater punch and would also be the more reliable technology. Stating this, what's the point of the phaser guns anyway?
In the premiere episode we see a Mid-West farmer shooting a Klingon with a non-military plasma shotgun, sending the Klingon flying through the corn for a half dozen of metres. The farmer owned a rifle, and yet Reeds so-called security doesn't even have some SMGs and protective gear??? I mean, please, they are out alone in space - which is a dubious premise at best - an they still go with the 24th Federation equipment doctrine (no armor, only handguns) despite being far closer related to the militaristic human nature of today than to the "enlightened" one of the Picard-era federation???


Unless this gets deleted - which I expect - I will bring up some more specific points considering the episodes soon.

http://www.geckotech.com/Forums/Default ... 4&tid=5928

I don't think it'll get us anywhere, but it was worth a try, and a good training in holding back one's anger.

[Posbi]

Apparently, the board is down again.

[Joe Momma]

Apparently, the board is down again.

What do you expect? The board was designed to churn out automated letters praising BB's prowess, not to handle actual posts from real people.

-- Joe Momma

[Rye]

Bah...might as well have a diagram and pressure chart for how to kiss bragga's arse.

[Posbi]

You hang with a troll crowd that doesn't do its homework. Check out the 3rd page of this board and the topic Why make Enterprise for just *one* example of things that have been left on the board.

Your idea of critical posts is also laughable. Someone advertising their own reviews on another site is not a critical thread to anyone other than the person that probably lost hits due to their posts being removed.

Troll behavior 101:

1. You that decide to "mirror-post it on another webboard as well" should be looking at your own behavior.

2. You cross-post and take your argument outside the board. You do this to gain momentum for your own argument instead of settling it with the runner of the board privately or the person that you disagree with on the board privately.

3. Because you know that the rules are set and you choose to not work within them, you go get friends to post to a board once you are banned from it instead of just leaving the board.

Question on this one. Why come to this board if you don't like the forums intended use? Are you not happy with your current social system? Are your troll friends somehow boring to you and you are trying to find new playmates but can't live up to the intelligence it takes to play with a higher functioning social system so you get frustrated and take it out on others?

4. Trolls go into someone else’s domain and beat up on the owner/runner/users. Trolls seem to believe that since you are online you can walk into someone else’s home and **** on their carpet and kick their staff.

5. Trolls can't let an argument go. They keep bringing it up over and over again. They sign up for many user names so that when one gets banned they can use another. Sound familiar in this situation?

6. Instead of looking inward and saying "what I did to get banned, I don't understand so I will go look at what I did and try to understand. Then if I still don't understand I will email the mod and ask for further explanation" trolls just start attacking.

7. Trolls rarely act alone. They are pack animals. Animals being the word of choice. Gangs are a group of people that enforce each others bad behavior by making higher and higher stakes of what determines bad behavior. Drive-by shootings, egging, harassing people on the sidewalk with water guns... Does this behavior sound comparative to you?

I don't know who choose to moderate this board the way it has been in the past week. But I will tell you that I value the work that you do for me and the community that I know here. We appreciate you and your hard work. We also appreciate your new hard stance on trolling.

All the people that have had intelligent things to say on this board are still here. The people that have had constructive and collective group debate topics are still here. We all thank the mods for this site the way it is becoming with the new rules.

And again, my many thanks.

Sally

Apparently, she thought I was Samuel T. Cogley, the guy with the review site. Aww, poor Sally, I really pity you in your delusions... on the other hand, thank you for mistaking me as a native speaker, nice compliment.

[neoolong]

Someone should post some gushing praise about how good Enterprise is, and then ask politely why if it's so damn good, why it's ratings are getting increasingly worse.

[Posbi]

Nice, I've been blocked/banned, and as such cannot even adress the filth they threw at me...what a waste of time and effort.

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

Heeheehee, I love how they ignore the criticism completely!

[Admiral Johnason]

Prehaps someone should ask if the Enterprise is coming home mission accomplished. I mean come on, we know that Kirk was the first captian to come back with his ship in one peice, co what will happen to this pre-TOS ship?