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FORT LAUDERDALE, Fla. -- A deputy used pepper spray on a 12-year-old girl and wrestled her to the ground when she ignored repeated orders to stop jaywalking, the sheriff's office said Friday.
Broward County sheriff's deputy Michael Roberto was issuing jaywalking tickets to students crossing a busy highway Thursday when he asked the girl to stand next to his motorcycle so he could give her a citation, the deputy's report said.

But the girl, who was not immediately identified, became upset and began to curse, Roberto said in the report. The girl also walked away and ignored four more orders to stop and put her hands behind her back, he said.

The girl, who is 5 feet 1 inch and 134 pounds, threatened to hit Roberto and rolled her hand in a fist, the report said. The deputy repeatedly warned her that he would use pepper spray if she didn't listen.

"After the last warning and order, it became apparent that I had to choose between a physical fight and using the pepper spray," Roberto wrote. "I sprayed her in the face."

The girl then knocked the spray can out of Roberto's hand, so the deputy wrestled the girl to the ground and handcuffed her, the report said. The girl, who was not injured, was charged with failure to use a crosswalk and resisting arrest without violence, both misdemeanors. She was released to her mother.

The girl likely won't face any jail time on the charges, sheriff's spokesman Jim Leljedahl said.

Leljedahl said there is no age policy for the use of pepper spray. The police report and witness accounts suggest Roberto acted within the sheriff's office's rules, Leljedahl said.

"Pepper spray is an appropriate response when we meet with defensive resistance," Leljedahl said Friday. "In this case, she was belligerent and aggressive, even."

The sheriff's office was reviewing the arrest, though most pepper spray incidents are not investigated, Leljedahl said. A formal investigation would be launched if the girl's family files a complaint, he said.

Deputies seeking to stop accidents along busy Federal Highway have been ticketing Olsen Middle School students for the past several weeks.

Roberto, a 22-year veteran of the force, was at work Friday, Leljedahl said.
Did he do the right thing, or should be have let the girl take a swing at him (felony offense) and then arrested her?

Or should he have just tried to detain her physically without using the spray and thereby risking physical injury to her.
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He did the right thing, methinks. No one was injured, seems fine to me.
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Hey Glocksman, I like the new avatar!

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Glocksman wrote:Did he do the right thing, or should be have let the girl take a swing at him (felony offense) and then arrested her?
The course of action he took resulted in the least material damage to all parties involved. She gets off with a misdemeanour and hopefully a lesson learned (although from the sounds of it, she's the type who's too damned stupid to figure out what it means), and he did not have to risk injuring himself or (more likely) her in a physical altercation.
Or should he have just tried to detain her physically without using the spray and thereby risking physical injury to her.
She became belligerent. When you have a gun strapped to your waist, it is not prudent to get into a wrestling match with someone who is obviously irrational.
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Teenage girls have an attitude these days...

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looks good. she was acting hostile so -shrugs-
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Hey Glocksman, I like the new avatar!
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She became belligerent. When you have a gun strapped to your waist, it is not prudent to get into a wrestling match with someone who is obviously irrational.
I didn't think of that point, but it's a good one. A lot of cops get shot with their own guns, hence the large market for police 'retention holsters'.

And I agree that short of letting her go (which isn't really an option), he took the course of least harm to all parties involved.
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Exonerate wrote:Teenage girls have an attitude these days...
You have no idea....

You know what's funny? College girls are worse! I had to walk around a catfight just to get to class and take a final! :P I swear, it was like a live episode of Jerry Springer! :lol:
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Why the fuck wasn't her mother around, jesus, she's letting her 12 year old roam the streets unattended, she lucky she wasn't kidnapped and raped.
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I don't know what to say. Was the pepper spray really necessary?
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anarchistbunny wrote:Why the fuck wasn't her mother around, jesus, she's letting her 12 year old roam the streets unattended, she lucky she wasn't kidnapped and raped.
You must live in an interesting place...


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Howedar wrote:
anarchistbunny wrote:Why the fuck wasn't her mother around, jesus, she's letting her 12 year old roam the streets unattended, she lucky she wasn't kidnapped and raped.
You must live in an interesting place...


Not that I disagree that a parent should be present.
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Little bitch got what she deserved.
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That's one dumb 12y girl.

Trying to fight a cop!

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The cop did the right thing. Anarchistbunny's comment scared a me bit, though. Surely the situation can't be that bad? :?
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Cops all over the country need to start cracking down on middle school and high school jaywalkers. Because people get too fucking lazy to use crosswalks which are five-ten yards sfurther down the road. Now normally I wouldn't care but at my old HS we were right next to a four lane highway which kids were always running across because they never wanted to walk all that way down to the crosswalk. Results? many potential accidents, some of whih i was almost involved in, two otherwise smart freinds of mine got nailed by a car going 55, the list goes onnnnnn. Jaywalking on residential streets I dont care about as long as the kids look for damn cars but doing it on a four lane highway , a busy one to boot, u gotta be dumb.
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When I read the title of this, I was shocked. Now that I've read the article, SPRAY THE LITTLE BITCH AGAIN!

Fucking 12 year old wanting to punch a cop!
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he totaly overreacted. why the hell did he have to use peper spray? it was a 12 year old girl. he could have simply grabbed her hands and put them in handcuffs. if you´re a grown up and even a trained COP there´s no chemicals necessary to defeat a child, god damn it! what an asshole!
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Frank Hipper wrote:When I read the title of this, I was shocked. Now that I've read the article, SPRAY THE LITTLE BITCH AGAIN!

Fucking 12 year old wanting to punch a cop!
hell yeah, chemical education! forget the stick and carot! it´s peper spray and prozac! yipee!
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salm wrote:he totaly overreacted. why the hell did he have to use peper spray? it was a 12 year old girl.
Who was obviously deranged.
he could have simply grabbed her hands and put them in handcuffs. if you´re a grown up and even a trained COP there´s no chemicals necessary to defeat a child, god damn it! what an asshole!
If you're wrestling her down, all it takes is one slippery move and she's got ahold of your gun. She's obviously nuts, and there's no reason to take the risk, even if it's a small one.
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salm wrote:
Frank Hipper wrote:When I read the title of this, I was shocked. Now that I've read the article, SPRAY THE LITTLE BITCH AGAIN!

Fucking 12 year old wanting to punch a cop!
hell yeah, chemical education! forget the stick and carot! it´s peper spray and prozac! yipee!
Sounds like she may have been attempting to mis-educate herself, chemically.

And this is pepper spray we're talking about, not teargas. Unpleasant, but harmless.

Don't get me wrong, few people here are as anti-authoritarian as I am, but some people can only learn from painful experiences. We call them stupid.
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Darth Wong wrote:
salm wrote:he totaly overreacted. why the hell did he have to use peper spray? it was a 12 year old girl.
Who was obviously deranged.
he could have simply grabbed her hands and put them in handcuffs. if you´re a grown up and even a trained COP there´s no chemicals necessary to defeat a child, god damn it! what an asshole!
If you're wrestling her down, all it takes is one slippery move and she's got ahold of your gun. She's obviously nuts, and there's no reason to take the risk, even if it's a small one.
oh come on! a 12 year old girl is not going to give you a big fight when you´re a grown up man who´s even got a proper training for doing stuff exactly like that.
it´s not necessary to wrestle a child down. you simply grab her arms (the child will kick you but you can ignore the kicks just like you can ignore the kicks from beginner kickboxers) and handcuff her. no problem, even if she´s crazy.

now, don´t the gun belts have some security device which makes it hard to open them for people who´re not supposed to open them? if they don´t they should have, because that indeed might be a problem.
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LOL... Jaywalking an offence...

Sorry, but this is one of the stupidest laws - if you have the common sense to look both ways, why should you have to wait for the green man who never shows?
If you don't have the commonsense - getting hit by a car is most likely to knock it into you.
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Frank Hipper wrote:
salm wrote:
Frank Hipper wrote:When I read the title of this, I was shocked. Now that I've read the article, SPRAY THE LITTLE BITCH AGAIN!

Fucking 12 year old wanting to punch a cop!
hell yeah, chemical education! forget the stick and carot! it´s peper spray and prozac! yipee!
Sounds like she may have been attempting to mis-educate herself, chemically.

And this is pepper spray we're talking about, not teargas. Unpleasant, but harmless.

Don't get me wrong, few people here are as anti-authoritarian as I am, but some people can only learn from painful experiences. We call them stupid.
maybe someone should peperspray her parents instead.
LOL... Jaywalking an offence...
agreed. what´s wrong with jaywalking?
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innerbrat wrote:LOL... Jaywalking an offence...

Sorry, but this is one of the stupidest laws - if you have the common sense to look both ways, why should you have to wait for the green man who never shows?
Your traffic lights must be really fucked up.
If you don't have the commonsense - getting hit by a car is most likely to knock it into you.
I would have no problem with jaywalkers as long as I was allowed to hit them with impunity. But when a jaywalker marches out into the street, he is not only risking his own life, but that of everyone else on the street. What happens when a driver sees some idiot step out in front of him? It's not too likely that he'll just barrel through the obstacle. Instead, he'll hit the brakes and SWERVE OUT OF CONTROL. He could very well cause a multi-car pileup and several serious injuries or perhaps even deaths.
Speaking as a Londoner - if I waiting for the green man each time, I'd never get anywhere,
In North America, the roads are large, the traffic lights work, and there's no excuse.
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