Do you want a heaven to exist?

Superman · Post by **Superman** » 2003-05-05 10:12pm

So, I got to thinking, do you WANT a heaven to exist? Afterall, it would be nice to something to look forward to...

I'm an atheist, so therefore I don't believe in heaven. But I pray that there's a hell. I really do. For the abusers, the molesters, the rapists. I'm not really interested in the good people being rewarded, but I'm more interested in the bad people being punished.

This is how I see the whole thing.

Kazuaki Shimazaki · Post by **Kazuaki Shimazaki** » 2003-05-05 10:21pm

And I'll consider it. I might want a heaven to exist, but unless that heaven was really good, I'll prefer to have a super-decent life on Earth, thank you very much.

Exonerate · Post by **Exonerate** » 2003-05-05 10:25pm

Biblical heaven doesn't sound too exciting to me...

Enricko · Post by **Enricko** » 2003-05-05 11:23pm

Exonerate wrote:Biblical heaven doesn't sound too exciting to me...

You said that right!!!

Serving the Lord all eternity while taking a turn to crush inbelievers with an iron rod, it's more like a fetish fantasy, if you ask me.

I wouldn't mind a kind of heaven where I can meet all my loved ones, but eternity would be so long and boring that I would have alienated all my relatives and friends by the end of it!

Being nice till the End of Time?
Make me!

GrandMasterTerwynn · Post by **GrandMasterTerwynn** » 2003-05-05 11:29pm

Superman wrote:So, I got to thinking, do you WANT a heaven to exist? Afterall, it would be nice to something to look forward to...

I'm an atheist, so therefore I don't believe in heaven. But I pray that there's a hell. I really do. For the abusers, the molesters, the rapists. I'm not really interested in the good people being rewarded, but I'm more interested in the bad people being punished.

This is how I see the whole thing.

Eternity is a very, very, very long time. It would all be painfully dull after a while. So, no, I wouldn't want any manner of afterlife to exist.

kojikun · Post by **kojikun** » 2003-05-05 11:31pm

Eternal ignorance and bliss comes from Heroin. By all definitions, drug induced heaven already exists.

And depraved gay boy heaven exists too: Clubs!

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-05-06 12:12am

Depends on what constituted heaven. The one from the bible doesn't sound too apealing to me.

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2003-05-06 12:12am

Slartibartfast · Post by **Slartibartfast** » 2003-05-06 12:35am

If there was a heaven, it should be like that Nexus thing in Generations. Except about the fear part... if I want to fear "dying" then it should be there too (except that probably without the pain and getting a "reload" button, like when I'm sleeping). Actually, more than a place where I should feel bliss, it should be a place where I can feel whatever I want, experience whatever I want, like a virtual reality program. A really good one, where I could live a lifelong fantasy if I want. Sort of like that weird movie with Robin Williams.

Johonebesus · Post by **Johonebesus** » 2003-05-06 03:26am

Slartibartfast wrote:If there was a heaven, it should be like that Nexus thing in Generations. Except about the fear part... if I want to fear "dying" then it should be there too (except that probably without the pain and getting a "reload" button, like when I'm sleeping). Actually, more than a place where I should feel bliss, it should be a place where I can feel whatever I want, experience whatever I want, like a virtual reality program. A really good one, where I could live a lifelong fantasy if I want. Sort of like that weird movie with Robin Williams.

That reminds me of a Twilight Zone episode where a crook dies and goes to heaven. Everything he asks for, he gets. The only problem is he only gets exactly what he asks for, so there is nothing new, nothing unexpected, nothing challenging. Everything is perfect unless he specifies exactly how it is to be imperfect. At the end he realizes that he didn't get to heaven after all.

Sokar · Post by **Sokar** » 2003-05-06 03:33am

Not at all, any kind of eternal afterlife would get mightily boring in a big damn hurry.

I'd much rather return to corporeal form for another try.

Jawawithagun · Post by **Jawawithagun** » 2003-05-06 05:11am

Hell, no! Anything but an afterlife!

CaptainChewbacca · Post by **CaptainChewbacca** » 2003-05-06 05:14am

I'd like a heaven to exist.

I'd like even more to be let in.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-05-06 05:15am

CaptainChewbacca wrote:I'd like a heaven to exist.

Most people would, I suspect.

I'd like even more to be let in.

One universal feature of every man's vision of heaven is that he gets to go inside.

Lord of the Farce · Post by **Lord of the Farce** » 2003-05-06 05:46am

Some people are uncomfortable with the thought of their consciousness simply becoming non-existent when they die, others find an eternity a rather long and boring time... Myself? Maybe some kind of afterlife wouldn't be that bad an option, though in that case I would also like the option of "final rest" if I want.

Zoink · Post by **Zoink** » 2003-05-06 10:02am

I would like there to be an afterlife, but my wishes have no bearing on reality. I know that I wouldn't want to spend eternity in servitude to the biblical God... I'd rather spend eternity with his absence, which is Hell according to what J.C. was describing in the new testiment. Plus, Hell gets all the cool bands, like Nirvana, INXS, pretty much everybody. Heaven get Christian rock 24/7/infinity. *gack*

Kenny_10_Bellys · Post by **Kenny_10_Bellys** » 2003-05-06 10:05am

Superman wrote:I'm an atheist, so therefore I don't believe in heaven. But I pray that there's a hell. I really do. For the abusers, the molesters, the rapists. I'm not really interested in the good people being rewarded, but I'm more interested in the bad people being punished.

Just out of curiosity, who are you praying to in the statement above?

I don't particularly like the thought of an everlasting afterlife, I think within a few years it would become interminably boring and slowly turn out to be hell instead. I'm quite happy with the solace that science gives me, knowing that one day the bits that make up me will one day become the component parts of some other life-form or structure many years from now.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-05-06 10:05am

My idea of heaven involves orgies.

BlkbrryTheGreat · Post by **BlkbrryTheGreat** » 2003-05-06 11:00am

Darth Wong wrote:My idea of heaven involves orgies.

See, thats a very mixed issue for me.... cause on the on hand you want orgies... and on t he other hand you want your relatives (parents, etc) to be in heaven too.... Sort of a mixed bag that could lead to acqward situations.

Post by **Lagmonster** » 2003-05-06 11:05am

Slartibartfast wrote:Actually, more than a place where I should feel bliss, it should be a place where I can feel whatever I want, experience whatever I want, like a virtual reality program. A really good one, where I could live a lifelong fantasy if I want. Sort of like that weird movie with Robin Williams.

Ah. "What Dreams May Come" with Robin Williams and Cuba Gooding, Jr. I disliked the movie on the whole, but it is EXACTLY what I would love the afterlife to be, assuming there was one.

Basically, total personal control over your own universe, with the ability to interact with other dead people and their universes, and the added bonus of being able to go to 'hell' and step on bad people's heads.

GonK · Post by **GonK** » 2003-05-06 11:13am

I like the Terry Pratchett idea that the afterlife you get depends on what you believe in life. Just makes me wonder how to apply for Klatchian nationality after death...

Hobot · Post by **Hobot** » 2003-05-06 12:19pm

I hope there is no afterlife, I'm looking forward to nothingness.

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2003-05-06 01:16pm

BlkbrryTheGreat wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:My idea of heaven involves orgies.
See, thats a very mixed issue for me.... cause on the on hand you want orgies... and on t he other hand you want your relatives (parents, etc) to be in heaven too.... Sort of a mixed bag that could lead to acqward situations.

Yeah, but it's heaven. You can just have them separate from you when you're having your orgy.

Slartibartfast · Post by **Slartibartfast** » 2003-05-06 01:25pm

More than an afterlife, I usually think it would be cool to be immortal (and "unbreakable", mostly) and be able to watch what is going on in the Universe for centuries, etc. But even so, there's always some sort of "exit clause" where I can decide that it simply isn't worth living any longer (say the sun explodes, and I'm left drifting in a void forever and ever... even if I don't die or breathe or whatever) I can simply cease to exist.

But the VR afterlife is better. The exit clause still would apply though - who knows if eternity is dull or not? Has anyone lived forever before?

Rye · Post by **Rye** » 2003-05-06 01:47pm

I would like heaven to be like Better than life game from red dwarf books, it's so addictive, as it finds out your subconscious wants and needs and fulfils those instead of imagine something and get it hollowness.

that'd be nice, unfortunately it was so addictive, people just went in and didnt come out.

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