Special Forces

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2003-05-05 11:02pm

Anget Fisher wrote:
Admiral Valdemar wrote:
Anget Fisher wrote:i might consider paratroops because that is not a regular military unit
Then Royal Marine Commandos and Ghurkas come into I guess.
again i ask who are the Ghurkas

*Sigh*

Google is your friend.

http://www.gurkhas.com/

Agent Fisher · Post by **Agent Fisher** » 2003-05-05 11:04pm

about time
and thank you

Exonerate · Post by **Exonerate** » 2003-05-05 11:05pm

Russian Strategic Rocket Forces?

Agent Fisher · Post by **Agent Fisher** » 2003-05-05 11:06pm

no those sort of things i don't consider SpecOps

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-05-05 11:12pm

Exonerate wrote:Russian Strategic Rocket Forces?

That would be the anti special forces

Post by **weemadando** » 2003-05-05 11:51pm

Anget Fisher wrote:in my opinion the SAS is the best SpecOps group around though i think delta is pretty close

Delta are fucking incompetent when put next to any of the Commonwealth SAS forces.

Knife · Post by **Knife** » 2003-05-06 02:43am

weemadando wrote:
Anget Fisher wrote:in my opinion the SAS is the best SpecOps group around though i think delta is pretty close
Delta are fucking incompetent when put next to any of the Commonwealth SAS forces.

Now, now, we don't need to get into a pissing contest. He just wanted a list, not a dream.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-05-06 02:50am

weemadando wrote:
Delta are fucking incompetent when put next to any of the Commonwealth SAS forces.

And you base this bit of brilliance off what exactly?

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-05-06 06:37am

It's a huge oversimplification to say Russia's special forces are 'spetsnaz' and put it at that. That's basically like saying: "America's special forces are special forces".

When most people say Spetsnaz, they usually mean the GRU (Army Intelligence) Spetsnaz units, which are your classic behind enemy lines/long range recon/underhanded shit special forces. They are part of the Army's organization.

Other types of Spetsnaz are Vympel, Alfa, Krechet etc. These I guess would come under groups like Delta Force etc if I were to try and pin down their role (Vympel, Alfa etc all have different roles, e.g. hostage rescue etc, but DF is just an example).

Warspite · Post by **Warspite** » 2003-05-06 09:18am

From the Israeli Army, the Sayeret Matkal, they're the ones that in '76 made the famous raid on the Entebbe Airpport, in Uganda.

The French Foreign Legion, enough elitist to be Special Forces.

From Portugal (eheheh),

Army: Centro de Instrução de Operações Especiais (the SOCOM equivalent, aka for us as Rangers), Regimento de Pára-Quedistas (aka Paratrooper's Regiment, Green Berets) and Comandos (Red Berets).

Navy: Destacamento de Acções Especiais (Special Actions Detachment, from the Marines, 'nough said).

Police: Grupo de Operações Especiais (Special Operations Group, anti-terrorism unit).

Zoink · Post by **Zoink** » 2003-05-06 10:42am

Canadian:

Joint Task Force Two

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-05-06 11:20am

Warspite wrote:
The French Foreign Legion, enough elitist to be Special Forces.

There is a special forces branch of the French Foreign Legion.

Axis Kast · Post by **Axis Kast** » 2003-05-06 11:32am

South African 1-6 Recce and 44 Para Brig.

Rhodesian Selous Scouts and SAS companies.

Ted · Post by **Ted** » 2003-05-06 11:43am

Zoink wrote:Canadian:

Joint Task Force Two

As well, Canadian Rangers.

Sir Sirius · Post by **Sir Sirius** » 2003-05-06 12:00pm

http://www.specialoperations.com/ lists quite a few Special Forces units from around the world and there loads of other interresting stuff to see on that site as well.

Sebastin · Post by **Sebastin** » 2003-05-06 02:55pm

German special forces are basically the KSK (Komando Spezial Kräfte - command special forces)

Individual units would be the Fernspäher - deep recon (literaly far-lookers)
and in the navy Kampfschwimmer - combat divers.

The GSG 9 (GrenzSchutzGruppe 9 - borderprotection group 9) is the best known but keep in mind that it is a police unit and banned from fulfilling military functions.

Oberleutnant · Post by **Oberleutnant** » 2003-05-06 03:08pm

That specialoperations.com is a huge help. Saves you from a lot from trouble.

Here's another good link:

Israeli special forces
http://www.isayeret.com/

In case you might be interested of what special forces Finland has (well, I doubt that) here's a small list of them and their duties:

Finnish Army:
Laskuvarjojääkärit - Airborne Rangers, long range reconnaissance
Erikoisjääkärit - Specialjaegers, trained and equpped to encounter enemy special forces

Finnish Navy:
Taistelusukeltajat - Combat divers
Raivaajasukeltajat - EOD divers

Finnish Border Guard has its own special units as well

Helsinki Police Department:
Erikoisyksikkö Karhu - Special Unit Karhu (Bear), SWAT and counter-terrorism duties, a nationwide unit

Various police departments around the country:
VATI units - Abbreviation means "(Team) of Demanding Situations", the Finnish equivalent for SWAT
Taktinen ensihoitoryhmä - Tactical Operations Medical Support Team

Post by **weemadando** » 2003-05-06 07:34pm

Sea Skimmer wrote:
weemadando wrote:
Delta are fucking incompetent when put next to any of the Commonwealth SAS forces.
And you base this bit of brilliance off what exactly? :roll:

General operational success rates.

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2003-05-06 07:48pm

On a side note: My stepdad just informed me that the 82nd + 101st Rangers' reunion weekend will be in Shreevport, Lauisiana this year....

Enny you have been forewarned...

and to hear him rave about how tough the Aussies and the Gurkas were compared to our forces in that war....

and to hear him go on about the Thompson SMG being so much of a better weapon then the M-16....

Wicked Pilot · Post by **Wicked Pilot** » 2003-05-06 07:51pm

Here's the list for the United States:

Army
Army Special Forces or "Green Berets"
Army Rangers
Delta Force
160th SOAR

Navy
SEALS
Small Boat Units

Marine Corps
Force Recon

Air Force
Pararescue
Combat Controllers
Combat Weather
AFSOC Aircraft

All these units fall under their service's respected specified commands. Joint Special Operations Command (JSOC) is the unified command that coordinates special operations activities. As to all the childish questions regarding which of these are the overall superior of the pack, well, there is no answer. Pick a specific mission, and that is how you choose who to use.

Post by **weemadando** » 2003-05-06 08:02pm

Australian "Special" Forces:

4th Battalion (Commando) the Royal Australian Regiment
1st Commando Regiment
Special Air Services Regiment

Those are our listed "Special Forces".

salm · Post by **salm** » 2003-05-06 08:13pm

Deutsch: KSK - Komando Spezialkräfte

GSG9 is a buch of cops trained to fight the RAF (rote armee fraktion) back in the days.

Post by **weemadando** » 2003-05-06 08:16pm

salm wrote:Deutsch: KSK - Komando Spezialkräfte

GSG9 is a buch of cops trained to fight the RAF (rote armee fraktion) back in the days.

Also, IIRC GSG9 regularly win the inter-agency world championships that run between CT teams.

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2003-05-06 08:22pm

To claim that any arbitrary special forces group is "best" is really not very accurate. All have their specialties. I wouldn't want to go up against the SEALs or SBS in an underwater demolition role, but I imagine any number of counter-terrorist teams are superior in that field.

Crix Dorius · Post by **Crix Dorius** » 2003-05-06 08:48pm

Don't forget the german SEK (Spezialeinsatzkommandos - Special Employment Commandos)
and the german ZUZ (Zentrale Unterstützungseinheit Zoll - Central Supportunit Tariff)