could thrawn win

[Darth Wong]

Phasers and those cobolt whatevers are in the giga-isoton range.

If that were true, they would have been able to destroy that asteroid in "Pegasus" almost effortlessly. Instead, they said they needed virtually their entire photorp payload. Photorps are megaton range, and phasers are not a thousand of times more powerful.

EDIT: by the way, there is no official "isoton" unit, and if there were, it would mean "one ton".

Remember, Voyager flew between a pair of pulsars at very close range.

Millenium Falcon flew within 1000km of a neutron star in "Rebel Dawn".

And besides, pulsars aren't that dangerous if you avoid the "lighthouse beacon" and any accretion disks/plumes, unless you're ridiculously close.

[JodoForce]

Does anybody else get the feeling that he's either pulling our chain or asking to have his stick pulled?

[Darth Wong]

Does anybody else get the feeling that he's either pulling our chain or asking to have his stick pulled?

He's a newbie. I'm sure that gigaton figures for phasers are quite common where he comes from. Of course, he can always try to defend them. Others have tried

[JodoForce]

He's now co-authoring the Terran Empire fanfics with HappyTarget. Good stuff I guess it might be a good thing that's not a crossover though

Actually this gives me a new facfic idea...

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

http://startrek.com/library/media_VOY.asp?id=18989



This is the episode he referes to. You can briefly see Voyager fly between the stars. Not into the light!

[Agent Fisher]

Phasers and those cobolt whatevers are in the giga-isoton range.

But no, not against large, massed assaults.

Remember, Voyager flew between a pair of pulsars at very close range.

WTF? how do you figure that voyager with this

those cobolt whatevers are in the giga-isoton range.

could survive against a single shot from a ship able to sterilize planets

[Darth Yoshi]

But Thrawn always wins

That, sir, is a blatant lie. Thrawn lost at Sluis Van, and he lost at Bilbringi.

[Stravo]

Does anybody else get the feeling that he's either pulling our chain or asking to have his stick pulled?

He's a newbie. I'm sure that gigaton figures for phasers are quite common where he comes from. Of course, he can always try to defend them. Others have tried

Tried and failed?

NO, tried and died.

[Agent Fisher]

But Thrawn always wins

That, sir, is a blatant lie. Thrawn lost at Sluis Van, and he lost at Bilbringi.

yes but is too easy to overlook his losses due to his victories but for all his smarts dead is dead regardless

[Lord Poe]

Remember, Voyager flew between a pair of pulsars at very close range.

Millenium Falcon flew within 1000km of a neutron star in "Rebel Dawn".

And wasn't damaged in the slightest. However, Voyager was nearly destroyed when it flew between two pulsars in "Scientific Method" as stated above. This however, could be the result of alien influence. Alien ships were in physical contact with Voyager, which is why Janeway authorized the suicidal maneuver. At the last minute, the alien ships disengaged, so Voyager may have been partially "protected" until that time. Remember, in "Allegiances", the Enterprise couldn't approach within 10 million km of a pulsar without being destroyed.

[CaptainChewbacca]

But Thrawn always wins

That, sir, is a blatant lie. Thrawn lost at Sluis Van, and he lost at Bilbringi.

At Sluis Van the Rebel fleet got largely jacked, so that's a marginal victory. At Bilbringi, Thrawn was asassinated and didn't loose.

Sorry about getting my technical information from VOY. I should know better. Over at TrekBBS they say that phasers are beyond Star Wars Lasers, and because of their "phased" nature would pass right through a Star Wars shield.

Of course, I am neither supporting or denying this statement, as I don't want this forum to come down on my like a ton of Kimiirium. And if you can remember where THAT comes from, my hat is off to you.

[Darth Wong]

Sorry about getting my technical information from VOY. I should know better. Over at TrekBBS they say that phasers are beyond Star Wars Lasers, and because of their "phased" nature would pass right through a Star Wars shield.

I'm sure they do. The technical basis for such a statement, however, is nonexistent. They do not pass right through any other object; why would they pass right through a SW shield? Phase-coherent oscillation in a weapon is only of potential use against a phase-coherent oscillating target (think of the machine-guns synchronized with propeller blades in early fighter aircraft; they pass right through without harm, but that doesn't mean they'll similarly pass through a solid wall).

Of course, I am neither supporting or denying this statement, as I don't want this forum to come down on my like a ton of Kimiirium. And if you can remember where THAT comes from, my hat is off to you.

The people at TrekBBS are hoping to throw up a smokescreen of meaningless technobabble. Can they even explain precisely what it physically means for phasers to be "phased"? And if they're so exotic and "phased out of space-time", as some of the more wild-eyed fanatics put it, why they don't just pass through simple metallic armour?

[CaptainChewbacca]

Well, most of our conversations are a bit more reasonable. Feasiblility of transporters, trying to resolve an ever-changing warp scale... its all in good fun.

And, I have to explain to people known facts about planetary bodies. For instance, It once took me seven or eight posts to convince someone that the same side of the moon always faces the earth, and that there's no "dark side".

[Darth Wong]

Well, most of our conversations are a bit more reasonable. Feasiblility of transporters, trying to resolve an ever-changing warp scale... its all in good fun.

And, I have to explain to people known facts about planetary bodies. For instance, It once took me seven or eight posts to convince someone that the same side of the moon always faces the earth, and that there's no "dark side".

I'm familiar with that kind of environment. Most people in that sort of environment like to think of it as a "common-sense based" approach. The problem is that common sense isn't really worth all that much when it comes to technical matters, or you wouldn't need to go through years of gruelling tests and courses in order to become technically proficient.

In that sort of environment, most people assume that ST thumps SW because everything seems more "modern" (read: superficially user-friendly). It's a bit like taking an iPad and assuming that it's more sophisticated than a Cray supercomputer because it's smaller, plastic with rounded edges, and has a cute user interface.

[CaptainChewbacca]

I think there's a sense that Star Wars is more... "magic". We all agree that hyperdrive is faster, but no one can understand how it works to allow circumnavigation of the galaxy in one's lifetime.

[Keevan_Colton]

I think there's a sense that Star Wars is more... "magic". We all agree that hyperdrive is faster, but no one can understand how it works to allow circumnavigation of the galaxy in one's lifetime.

And warp isnt a pile of bullshit too?