Parents Lose Children over Family Photos

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-05-07 02:20pm

verilon wrote:o O is all I have to say.. I don't understand how someone couldd pass judgement that quick ~ I mean, hell, how many of our parents have pics of us as little kids running around naked (thereby used as a means to embarrass us later on in life in photo albums and slide shows)?

I think they reacted like they did because there's more than just one picture. It seems like there are quite a few in what they dropped off. And frankly given the poses in the pictures, if that went anywhere but the family scrap book it'd be kiddie porn.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-05-07 02:21pm

Hamel wrote:Why do you and Simon want to shift attention away from the xtian conservatism which is the root cause of this mess? Had these idiots not determined a woman's body to be a sinful object, we wouldn't be arguing over this article.

It has nothing to do with the woman's body and everything to do with pictures of naked kids. They were right to look into it but they shouldn't have taken the kids.

Post by **haas mark** » 2003-05-07 02:23pm

Stormbringer wrote:
verilon wrote:o O is all I have to say.. I don't understand how someone couldd pass judgement that quick ~ I mean, hell, how many of our parents have pics of us as little kids running around naked (thereby used as a means to embarrass us later on in life in photo albums and slide shows)?
I think they reacted like they did because there's more than just one picture. It seems like there are quite a few in what they dropped off. And frankly given the poses in the pictures, if that went anywhere but the family scrap book it'd be kiddie porn.

That I understand.. but like I said.. the photo album.. Meh.. Just one more reason to dislike Texas (yes, I have a vendetta against Texas, save San Antonio).

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-05-07 02:26pm

verilon wrote:That I understand.. but like I said.. the photo album.. Meh.. Just one more reason to dislike Texas (yes, I have a vendetta against Texas, save San Antonio).

Yeah, they overreacted in taking away the kids. But frankly those pics should have tipped off warnings.

Post by **haas mark** » 2003-05-07 02:28pm

Stormbringer wrote:
verilon wrote:That I understand.. but like I said.. the photo album.. Meh.. Just one more reason to dislike Texas (yes, I have a vendetta against Texas, save San Antonio).
Yeah, they overreacted in taking away the kids. But frankly those pics should have tipped off warnings.

Yes, the red flags going up I'd understand, but I agree, taking away the kids was an overreaction. But given our "standards" in our government sometimes, I'm not too surprised. Taken aback, yes, surprised, not really.

Col. Crackpot · Post by **Col. Crackpot** » 2003-05-07 02:29pm

Hamel wrote:Why do you and Simon want to shift attention away from the xtian conservatism which is the root cause of this mess? Had these idiots not determined a woman's body to be a sinful object, we wouldn't be arguing over this article.

i agree, it is part religious, but how can you scream conservative? The Texas Legislature has been in democrat control for the bulk of the past 30 years. and up until George Bush 4 of the previous 5 governors were Democrats (John Connally, Mark White, Dolph Briscoe and Ann Richards). I think it has much more to do with the big government collossus created by them.

Stop with the huge blocks of quotes! ~ Stormbringer

Hamel · Post by **Hamel** » 2003-05-07 02:35pm

i agree, it is part religious, but how can you scream conservative? The Texas Legislature has been in democrat control for the bulk of the past 30 years. and up until George Bush 4 of the previous 5 governors were Democrats (John Connally, Mark White, Dolph Briscoe and Ann Richards). I think it has much more to do with the big government collossus created by them.

Democrat doesn't necessarily mean liberal, especially in the southern US.

Are you trying to tell me that Texas is under liberal control?

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-05-07 02:37pm

verilon wrote:Yes, the red flags going up I'd understand, but I agree, taking away the kids was an overreaction. But given our "standards" in our government sometimes, I'm not too surprised. Taken aback, yes, surprised, not really.

I think it was a case of make sure the kids are okay then straighten it out later. I can see why they did it the way they did what they did

Post by **haas mark** » 2003-05-07 02:38pm

Stormbringer wrote:
verilon wrote:Yes, the red flags going up I'd understand, but I agree, taking away the kids was an overreaction. But given our "standards" in our government sometimes, I'm not too surprised. Taken aback, yes, surprised, not really.
I think it was a case of make sure the kids are okay then straighten it out later. I can see why they did it the way they did what they did

It does make sense, yes.. but I have my reservations against it, as I am sure we all do.

Col. Crackpot · Post by **Col. Crackpot** » 2003-05-07 02:40pm

Hamel wrote:
i agree, it is part religious, but how can you scream conservative? The Texas Legislature has been in democrat control for the bulk of the past 30 years. and up until George Bush 4 of the previous 5 governors were Democrats (John Connally, Mark White, Dolph Briscoe and Ann Richards). I think it has much more to do with the big government collossus created by them.
Democrat doesn't necessarily mean liberal, especially in the southern US.

Are you trying to tell me that Texas is under liberal control?

social liberal? no
however for decades Texas was controlled by people who had strong liberal ideals with regard to finance, taxation and the role of government.

Post by **Coyote** » 2003-05-07 02:46pm

I hate to say it, but I'm pretty sure that the knee-jerk uberreaction of seeing Child Porn everywhere may be just as much a problem of the Politically Correct side of the line as with the Conservatives... nowadays our society is so scared of anything that even hints of 'exploitation' or impropriety that they jump on the witch-hunt bandwagon at the drop of a hat.

PrinceofLowLight · Post by **PrinceofLowLight** » 2003-05-07 02:46pm

Hmm...in one state, children are locked in a room for days at a time, tortured and fed animal crap with nary a word...and now we're having kids taken away for some family photos...

Hamel · Post by **Hamel** » 2003-05-07 02:47pm

social liberal? no
however for decades Texas was controlled by people who had strong liberal ideals with regard to finance, taxation and the role of government.

You should be a comedian. During these same decades, Texas has gotten progressively worse due to conservative decision making. Dallas, Austin, and other cities are polluted shitholes, which is worse than it sounds considering the flat land and wind should carry the pollution off. However, the pollution is bad enough that the powerful slef-cleaning properties of the land don't work anymore. LA at least has an excuse considering the pollution settles in a bowl. All of this, of course, is due to conservatives ruining regulations and letting the businesses do whatever they please. Considering the stranglehold the oil industry has on Texas, I doubt they make many liberal economic decisions.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-05-07 02:53pm

Coyote wrote:I hate to say it, but I'm pretty sure that the knee-jerk uberreaction of seeing Child Porn everywhere may be just as much a problem of the Politically Correct side of the line as with the Conservatives... nowadays our society is so scared of anything that even hints of 'exploitation' or impropriety that they jump on the witch-hunt bandwagon at the drop of a hat.

It is a reaction to seeing what easily could be construed as child porn. It's not a liberal or conservative thing. Neither side is likely to have reacted differently.

They jumped on it because it was fishy (and lets face it, it is weird). I don't blame them for that though I think it was an overreaction. They moved so quickly to prevent possible sexual exploitation of children.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-05-07 02:56pm

PrinceofLowLight wrote:Hmm...in one state, children are locked in a room for days at a time, tortured and fed animal crap with nary a word...and now we're having kids taken away for some family photos...

It's the extremes of the system. And lets face it, those were strange family photos. Most families don't take rolls worth of nude shots of them with their kids. If that had been in some one else hands it would have been kiddie porn.

Taking the kids was an overreaction once it became clear it wasn't for pornographic purposes. That was an overreaction but those photos should have raised red flags.

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2003-05-07 03:05pm

Hamel wrote: During these same decades, Texas has gotten progressively worse due to conservative decision making.

Do you live in Texas itself?

Stravo · Post by **Stravo** » 2003-05-07 03:57pm

Most likely there was no choice, you would be surprised at how the laws are structured in terms of child welfare and custody. SOmetimes there are systems in place that once triggered create a process that has to be followed through. In the case of allegations of child abuse and porn, there is a save the kid first ask questions later, almost a sort of guilty until proven innocent attitude.

The bad part is when it goes horribly wrong like here, but I ask you this, would it be prefreabble to subject an innocent family to a legal headache or to have a child killed when the child welfare system doesn't work? And don't say neither because we're all big enough to know that it can't work that way, there's a balance inherent in systems like this and currently it is skewed towards protecting the child over protecting the rights of the parent. Imagine the uproar we would have if parents are havinga child porn ring and a slow investigation begins meanwhile the kids are slaving away making child porn, or worse, an investigation of a physically abusive parent that escalates once he or she is under investigation and kills the child in frustration.

I'm not saying this wasn't wrong, but we have to understand the system in place.

Given the amount of cases Texas has been involved in terms of civil rights and privacy issues, I am NOT surprised when I read about fuck ups like this in Texas...perhaps Texas itself should be declared unconstitutional and reformed.

Hamel · Post by **Hamel** » 2003-05-07 04:28pm

MKSheppard wrote:
Hamel wrote: During these same decades, Texas has gotten progressively worse due to conservative decision making.

Do you live in Texas itself?

No, but what does that have to do with anything?

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2003-05-07 04:30pm

Hamel wrote: No, but what does that have to do with anything?

THEN SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT TEXAS, DICKMUNCHER!

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-05-07 04:35pm

Shep, stop flaming.

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2003-05-07 04:39pm

Stormbringer wrote:Shep, stop flaming.

I don't have to stand for morons reciting verses straight from the Sierra
Club's website:

"Republicans bad, of all the states that have elected republicans, the environemnt has gotten worse, blah blah blah blah blah."

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-05-07 04:44pm

So you repeat the right wing moron's line back word for word?

Aeolus · Post by **Aeolus** » 2003-05-07 04:45pm

Hamel wrote:
MKSheppard wrote:
Hamel wrote: During these same decades, Texas has gotten progressively worse due to conservative decision making.

Do you live in Texas itself?
No, but what does that have to do with anything?

Well I live in Dallas and the pollution here is no where near as bad as Houston, La, New Orleans. El Paso (all citys I have been to recently. It's also a great deal cleaner and well kept then New York or DC

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2003-05-07 04:48pm

Stormbringer wrote:So you repeat the right wing moron's line back word for word?

I'm tired of liberals talking about how conservative-led states
are environmental catastrophes, etc etc, while ignoring the fact
that their own garbage has to go SOMEWHERE.

New York City doesn't even dispose of it's own garbage anymore - they just
ship it all by rail to Texas, or barge it down to Virginia to bury it there.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-05-07 04:53pm

MKSheppard wrote:I'm tired of liberals talking about how conservative-led states
are environmental catastrophes, etc etc, while ignoring the fact
that their own garbage has to go SOMEWHERE.

New York City doesn't even dispose of it's own garbage anymore - they just
ship it all by rail to Texas, or barge it down to Virginia to bury it there.

So how does "THEN SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT TEXAS, DICKMUNCHER!" address any of those points? That's just a mindless flame and you know it. If you really want to address that point do it, not launch a flame barrage.