I think they reacted like they did because there's more than just one picture. It seems like there are quite a few in what they dropped off. And frankly given the poses in the pictures, if that went anywhere but the family scrap book it'd be kiddie porn.verilon wrote:o O is all I have to say.. I don't understand how someone couldd pass judgement that quick ~ I mean, hell, how many of our parents have pics of us as little kids running around naked (thereby used as a means to embarrass us later on in life in photo albums and slide shows)?
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It has nothing to do with the woman's body and everything to do with pictures of naked kids. They were right to look into it but they shouldn't have taken the kids.Hamel wrote:Why do you and Simon want to shift attention away from the xtian conservatism which is the root cause of this mess? Had these idiots not determined a woman's body to be a sinful object, we wouldn't be arguing over this article.
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That I understand.. but like I said.. the photo album.. Meh.. Just one more reason to dislike Texas (yes, I have a vendetta against Texas, save San Antonio).Stormbringer wrote:I think they reacted like they did because there's more than just one picture. It seems like there are quite a few in what they dropped off. And frankly given the poses in the pictures, if that went anywhere but the family scrap book it'd be kiddie porn.verilon wrote:o O is all I have to say.. I don't understand how someone couldd pass judgement that quick ~ I mean, hell, how many of our parents have pics of us as little kids running around naked (thereby used as a means to embarrass us later on in life in photo albums and slide shows)?
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Yes, the red flags going up I'd understand, but I agree, taking away the kids was an overreaction. But given our "standards" in our government sometimes, I'm not too surprised. Taken aback, yes, surprised, not really.Stormbringer wrote:Yeah, they overreacted in taking away the kids. But frankly those pics should have tipped off warnings.verilon wrote:That I understand.. but like I said.. the photo album.. Meh.. Just one more reason to dislike Texas (yes, I have a vendetta against Texas, save San Antonio).
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i agree, it is part religious, but how can you scream conservative? The Texas Legislature has been in democrat control for the bulk of the past 30 years. and up until George Bush 4 of the previous 5 governors were Democrats (John Connally, Mark White, Dolph Briscoe and Ann Richards). I think it has much more to do with the big government collossus created by them.Hamel wrote:Why do you and Simon want to shift attention away from the xtian conservatism which is the root cause of this mess? Had these idiots not determined a woman's body to be a sinful object, we wouldn't be arguing over this article.
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Democrat doesn't necessarily mean liberal, especially in the southern US.i agree, it is part religious, but how can you scream conservative? The Texas Legislature has been in democrat control for the bulk of the past 30 years. and up until George Bush 4 of the previous 5 governors were Democrats (John Connally, Mark White, Dolph Briscoe and Ann Richards). I think it has much more to do with the big government collossus created by them.
Are you trying to tell me that Texas is under liberal control?
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I think it was a case of make sure the kids are okay then straighten it out later. I can see why they did it the way they did what they didverilon wrote:Yes, the red flags going up I'd understand, but I agree, taking away the kids was an overreaction. But given our "standards" in our government sometimes, I'm not too surprised. Taken aback, yes, surprised, not really.
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It does make sense, yes.. but I have my reservations against it, as I am sure we all do.Stormbringer wrote:I think it was a case of make sure the kids are okay then straighten it out later. I can see why they did it the way they did what they didverilon wrote:Yes, the red flags going up I'd understand, but I agree, taking away the kids was an overreaction. But given our "standards" in our government sometimes, I'm not too surprised. Taken aback, yes, surprised, not really.
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social liberal? noHamel wrote:Democrat doesn't necessarily mean liberal, especially in the southern US.i agree, it is part religious, but how can you scream conservative? The Texas Legislature has been in democrat control for the bulk of the past 30 years. and up until George Bush 4 of the previous 5 governors were Democrats (John Connally, Mark White, Dolph Briscoe and Ann Richards). I think it has much more to do with the big government collossus created by them.
Are you trying to tell me that Texas is under liberal control?
however for decades Texas was controlled by people who had strong liberal ideals with regard to finance, taxation and the role of government.
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I hate to say it, but I'm pretty sure that the knee-jerk uberreaction of seeing Child Porn everywhere may be just as much a problem of the Politically Correct side of the line as with the Conservatives... nowadays our society is so scared of anything that even hints of 'exploitation' or impropriety that they jump on the witch-hunt bandwagon at the drop of a hat.
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In Libertarianism, there is no Government, so the Bosses are free to exploit the Workers.
In Communism, there is no Government, so the Workers are free to exploit the Bosses.
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So in Libertarianism, man exploits man, but in Communism, its the other way around!
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Hmm...in one state, children are locked in a room for days at a time, tortured and fed animal crap with nary a word...and now we're having kids taken away for some family photos...
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You should be a comedian. During these same decades, Texas has gotten progressively worse due to conservative decision making. Dallas, Austin, and other cities are polluted shitholes, which is worse than it sounds considering the flat land and wind should carry the pollution off. However, the pollution is bad enough that the powerful slef-cleaning properties of the land don't work anymore. LA at least has an excuse considering the pollution settles in a bowl. All of this, of course, is due to conservatives ruining regulations and letting the businesses do whatever they please. Considering the stranglehold the oil industry has on Texas, I doubt they make many liberal economic decisions.social liberal? no
however for decades Texas was controlled by people who had strong liberal ideals with regard to finance, taxation and the role of government.
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It is a reaction to seeing what easily could be construed as child porn. It's not a liberal or conservative thing. Neither side is likely to have reacted differently.Coyote wrote:I hate to say it, but I'm pretty sure that the knee-jerk uberreaction of seeing Child Porn everywhere may be just as much a problem of the Politically Correct side of the line as with the Conservatives... nowadays our society is so scared of anything that even hints of 'exploitation' or impropriety that they jump on the witch-hunt bandwagon at the drop of a hat.
They jumped on it because it was fishy (and lets face it, it is weird). I don't blame them for that though I think it was an overreaction. They moved so quickly to prevent possible sexual exploitation of children.
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It's the extremes of the system. And lets face it, those were strange family photos. Most families don't take rolls worth of nude shots of them with their kids. If that had been in some one else hands it would have been kiddie porn.PrinceofLowLight wrote:Hmm...in one state, children are locked in a room for days at a time, tortured and fed animal crap with nary a word...and now we're having kids taken away for some family photos...
Taking the kids was an overreaction once it became clear it wasn't for pornographic purposes. That was an overreaction but those photos should have raised red flags.
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Hamel wrote: During these same decades, Texas has gotten progressively worse due to conservative decision making.
Do you live in Texas itself?
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Most likely there was no choice, you would be surprised at how the laws are structured in terms of child welfare and custody. SOmetimes there are systems in place that once triggered create a process that has to be followed through. In the case of allegations of child abuse and porn, there is a save the kid first ask questions later, almost a sort of guilty until proven innocent attitude.
The bad part is when it goes horribly wrong like here, but I ask you this, would it be prefreabble to subject an innocent family to a legal headache or to have a child killed when the child welfare system doesn't work? And don't say neither because we're all big enough to know that it can't work that way, there's a balance inherent in systems like this and currently it is skewed towards protecting the child over protecting the rights of the parent. Imagine the uproar we would have if parents are havinga child porn ring and a slow investigation begins meanwhile the kids are slaving away making child porn, or worse, an investigation of a physically abusive parent that escalates once he or she is under investigation and kills the child in frustration.
I'm not saying this wasn't wrong, but we have to understand the system in place.
Given the amount of cases Texas has been involved in terms of civil rights and privacy issues, I am NOT surprised when I read about fuck ups like this in Texas...perhaps Texas itself should be declared unconstitutional and reformed.
The bad part is when it goes horribly wrong like here, but I ask you this, would it be prefreabble to subject an innocent family to a legal headache or to have a child killed when the child welfare system doesn't work? And don't say neither because we're all big enough to know that it can't work that way, there's a balance inherent in systems like this and currently it is skewed towards protecting the child over protecting the rights of the parent. Imagine the uproar we would have if parents are havinga child porn ring and a slow investigation begins meanwhile the kids are slaving away making child porn, or worse, an investigation of a physically abusive parent that escalates once he or she is under investigation and kills the child in frustration.
I'm not saying this wasn't wrong, but we have to understand the system in place.
Given the amount of cases Texas has been involved in terms of civil rights and privacy issues, I am NOT surprised when I read about fuck ups like this in Texas...perhaps Texas itself should be declared unconstitutional and reformed.
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No, but what does that have to do with anything?MKSheppard wrote:Hamel wrote: During these same decades, Texas has gotten progressively worse due to conservative decision making.
Do you live in Texas itself?
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THEN SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT TEXAS, DICKMUNCHER!Hamel wrote: No, but what does that have to do with anything?
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I don't have to stand for morons reciting verses straight from the SierraStormbringer wrote:Shep, stop flaming.
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"Republicans bad, of all the states that have elected republicans, the environemnt has gotten worse, blah blah blah blah blah."
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Well I live in Dallas and the pollution here is no where near as bad as Houston, La, New Orleans. El Paso (all citys I have been to recently. It's also a great deal cleaner and well kept then New York or DCHamel wrote:No, but what does that have to do with anything?MKSheppard wrote:Hamel wrote: During these same decades, Texas has gotten progressively worse due to conservative decision making.
Do you live in Texas itself?
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I'm tired of liberals talking about how conservative-led statesStormbringer wrote:So you repeat the right wing moron's line back word for word?
are environmental catastrophes, etc etc, while ignoring the fact
that their own garbage has to go SOMEWHERE.
New York City doesn't even dispose of it's own garbage anymore - they just
ship it all by rail to Texas, or barge it down to Virginia to bury it there.
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So how does "THEN SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT TEXAS, DICKMUNCHER!" address any of those points? That's just a mindless flame and you know it. If you really want to address that point do it, not launch a flame barrage.MKSheppard wrote:I'm tired of liberals talking about how conservative-led states
are environmental catastrophes, etc etc, while ignoring the fact
that their own garbage has to go SOMEWHERE.
New York City doesn't even dispose of it's own garbage anymore - they just
ship it all by rail to Texas, or barge it down to Virginia to bury it there.