Imperpator SD

[Agent Fisher]

aren't they called imperial class sorry if this has been answered

[Aaron2]

Imperial-class is equivalent to called an american aircraft carrier american-class. Anyway, the earliest official blueprints of an ISD refers to it as the Imperator-class and Lucas's continuity rules state that you must abide by the earliest sources.

http://www.theforce.net/swtc/Pix/kdy/blueisd1.gif

You'll find that each of the various Star Wars messageboards has a different take on what official material is -true- and what is overwridden by other canon material. For example, this group rejects Imperial-class as well as the 5-mile SSD falacy (both "official"), yet it slavishly adheres to the 25,000 ISD theory.


Read:
http://www.theforce.net/swtc/

And then read:
http://www.synicon.com.au/sw/index.html

You must unlearn what you have learned.


Aaron (B^2-ian canonist)

Edit: mixed 5-mile with 8,000 km

[Agent Fisher]

but in the books it says imperial i probally sound like a stupid troll

[Illuminatus Primus]

yet it slavishly adheres to the 25,000 ISD theory

I do no such thing. Since the cited quote did not get the number of Imperial worlds right--its already just flawed supposition on Pelleaon's part.

WEG hard stats nail down over 28,000 ISDs at minimum just for Sector defense duty.

[Aaron2]

but in the books it says imperial i probally sound like a stupid troll

No, not capitalizing and using proper punctuation makes you look ....

Anyway, it really depends on what books you are looking at. You'll find that in the '80s when WEG was making tons of Star Wars game material, there was little value in the Star Wars franchise and Lucas & Co. didn't really care. Many of the authors of said gaming material didn't bother to research names of species mentioned in other obscure sources. For example, the Illthorians were referred to as Meerian Hamerheads in the radio drama. However, since many more people read the game material, the Illthorian name stuck. People wrote books summarizing the various game books and then authors wrote crappy novels based on those books, etc, etc. Hence the confusion.

The important thing is to never accept anyones statement (even mine) without looking into it first. Read the novels and listen to the radio dramas (they are both canon) and then decide for yourself.

Aaron

[SPOOFE]

My reconciliation...

The technical name is "Imperator". However, "Imperial" is a slang term used by the Rebels that entered into common nomenclature, probably due to the fact that they were so damned prominent in the Empire. Kinda like how there are several different classes of carriers in the modern US fleet, but they're all just called "aircraft carriers" for shorthand.

That's my hypothesis, anyway.

[Admiral Johnason]

All really excepteed books start with Zahn. He was the first to write really good SW novels.

[Sokar]

All really excepteed books start with Zahn. He was the first to write really good SW novels.

Some here would debate that statement. I personally enjoyed his novels for the story and characters, but found his minimalisim with the battles occassionally a bit, less than awe inspiring . I mean if Thrawn had unified a majority of the Imperial Fleet and remaning Imperial Space, yet his command squadron is a paltry 8(IIRC) ISD's? 180 Republic era Dreadnoughts are enough to tip the balance of power between the New Republic and the Empire.....don't get me wrong, I enjoyed the Thrawn Trilogy, but he should have gone bigger and more impressive.

[Alyeska]

My reconciliation...

The technical name is "Imperator". However, "Imperial" is a slang term used by the Rebels that entered into common nomenclature, probably due to the fact that they were so damned prominent in the Empire. Kinda like how there are several different classes of carriers in the modern US fleet, but they're all just called "aircraft carriers" for shorthand.

That's my hypothesis, anyway.

Yeah, that makes most sense. Imperial became the slang term for the Imperator SD just like Super became the slang for the Executor SSD. They were ever present reminders. Very much how all carriers in the US are called by basic Aircraft Carriers or just Super Carriers.

[Illuminatus Primus]

Yeah, that makes most sense. Imperial became the slang term for the Imperator SD just like Super became the slang for the Executor SSD. They were ever present reminders. Very much how all carriers in the US are called by basic Aircraft Carriers or just Super Carriers.

But the Imperator-class and Executor-class were never anything remotely resembling each other in class. Totally different designs and purposes. Furthermore, Palpatine himself properly addresses the Executor's class coolly and calmly. "Your work here is finished my friend. Go out to the command ship and await my orders." Or Han Solo, Imperial Academy graduate w/ honors, "Now don't get jittery Luke, there are a lot of command ships." And again, Palpatine: "I thought I told you to remain on the command ship."

Furthermore, references to the DE Alleagance-class and Eclipse-class as "Super Star Destroyers" makes the "its a colloquial term for KDY heavier-than ISD ships in a flagship role" theory most valid. There shouldn't be "classes" of Super Star Destroyer. That's silly.

Its a command ship.

Hence Imperator-class Star Destroyer and Executor-class Star Command Ship.

[Alyeska]

Yeah, that makes most sense. Imperial became the slang term for the Imperator SD just like Super became the slang for the Executor SSD. They were ever present reminders. Very much how all carriers in the US are called by basic Aircraft Carriers or just Super Carriers.

But the Imperator-class and Executor-class were never anything remotely resembling each other in class. Totally different designs and purposes. Furthermore, Palpatine himself properly addresses the Executor's class coolly and calmly. "Your work here is finished my friend. Go out to the command ship and await my orders." Or Han Solo, Imperial Academy graduate w/ honors, "Now don't get jittery Luke, there are a lot of command ships." And again, Palpatine: "I thought I told you to remain on the command ship."

Furthermore, references to the DE Alleagance-class and Eclipse-class as "Super Star Destroyers" makes the "its a colloquial term for KDY heavier-than ISD ships in a flagship role" theory most valid. There shouldn't be "classes" of Super Star Destroyer. That's silly.

Its a command ship.

Hence Imperator-class Star Destroyer and Executor-class Star Command Ship.

Uh, what? I was just talking about how people usualy refer to the Imperator when stating Imperial and they refer to the Exeuctor when stating Super (not always, but most of the time)

[Vympel]

The answer is that WEG is retarded. The same fucking people, on hearing 'Super' Star Destroyer, promptly decided that the Executor was 'Super-class'. They're morons.

Acclamator
Imperator
Executor

the three canon Republic/Imperial warships we've seen so far.

You may find that other people, for example, dumbfucks on the theforce.net boards, slavishly call it Imperial because of their burning desire to make Star Wars sound retarded, but here the consensus is Imperator

[Knife]

aren't they called imperial class sorry if this has been answered

Morons who took -"look there is an Imperial Stardestroyer." and turned it into "look there is an Imperial class Stardestroyer." should be shot. An American Aircraft Carrier does not translate into an American class Aircraft Carrier. I really hate people who do that.

[Cpt_Frank]

The answer is that WEG is retarded. The same fucking people, on hearing 'Super' Star Destroyer, promptly decided that the Executor was 'Super-class'. They're morons.

Acclamator
Imperator
Executor

the three canon Republic/Imperial warships we've seen so far.

You may find that other people, for example, dumbfucks on the theforce.net boards, slavishly call it Imperial because of their burning desire to make Star Wars sound retarded, but here the consensus is Imperator

That 'super-class' is actually bugging me even more than Imperial/Imperator class - when the French army accepted the Lebel in 1886, did they call it the super-rifle? Did the British call the dreadnought the 'super-battleship'? Was the IS II called 'super-iosif'? I mean seriously wtf?
WEG nomenclature fits eight year old children, not supposedly mature RPG designers.

[Enforcer Talen]

I think eveyrone was calling it the super, so the designers went with the flow.

[Cpt_Frank]

I think eveyrone was calling it the super, so the designers went with the flow.

That's probably the reason, though it's no excuse - you'd expect that WEG would do some more research than relying on vague lines from the movies and hear-say.

[Sea Skimmer]

That's probably the reason, though it's no excuse - you'd expect that WEG would do some more research than relying on vague lines from the movies and hear-say.

“Research” and “WEG” don’t belong in the same sentence without it also including “total lack of”

[Illuminatus Primus]

WEG nomenclature fits eight year old children, not supposedly mature RPG designers.

Ironically this is the source of the fuck-ups. The toy companies were the first to call it a "Star Destroyer" (which it is not) and "Super Star Destroyer" IIRC.

[Cpt_Frank]

Ironically this is the source of the fuck-ups. The toy companies were the first to call it a "Star Destroyer" (which it is not) and "Super Star Destroyer" IIRC.

Now that you bring it up I remember it - one of the playset's displayed Darth Vader's quarters onboard the Executor and they thought that it sounded too harsh and was too difficult for children to pronounce, so they called it Super Star Destroyer.

[His Divine Shadow]

I do no such thing. Since the cited quote did not get the number of Imperial worlds right--its already just flawed supposition on Pelleaon's part.

What number of worlds did it give? could you get me the quote?

[Admiral Johnason]

All really excepteed books start with Zahn. He was the first to write really good SW novels.

Some here would debate that statement. I personally enjoyed his novels for the story and characters, but found his minimalisim with the battles occassionally a bit, less than awe inspiring . I mean if Thrawn had unified a majority of the Imperial Fleet and remaning Imperial Space, yet his command squadron is a paltry 8(IIRC) ISD's? 180 Republic era Dreadnoughts are enough to tip the balance of power between the New Republic and the Empire.....don't get me wrong, I enjoyed the Thrawn Trilogy, but he should have gone bigger and more impressive.

Yes, true, but this is considered to be the beginning of the good Eu novels.

[Illuminatus Primus]

I do no such thing. Since the cited quote did not get the number of Imperial worlds right--its already just flawed supposition on Pelleaon's part.

What number of worlds did it give? could you get me the quote?

That the Empire only had 1 million worlds.

Interestingly though, it claims the Remnant has 1000, and the Empire has 1,000,000.

This could imply a rough intended scale of 1/1000th.

Thus since the Remnant is 8 Sectors, the Empire may have spanned 8,000; thus giving us a value for WEG's "thousands of Sectors."

[His Divine Shadow]

That the Empire only had 1 million worlds

The WEG quote on worlds that I know of stipulate 51 million worlds+.

The 1 million world thing is their major member worlds and is often reffered to in a casual manner.

[K. A. Pital]

Admiral Johnason

Yes, true, but this is considered to be the beginning of the good Eu novels.

Well, in fact many think Zahn is the best out there (me too).
He's the only one of the SW novels (most of which are awfully bad) who came up with proper and interesting "bad guys" (Imperial characters) such as Pellaeon, Mara Jade and Thrawn. He really kicked the Rebels hard, made them lose battles. The only dissapointment is that none of the major rebels was killed.

[Illuminatus Primus]

Admiral Johnason

Yes, true, but this is considered to be the beginning of the good Eu novels.

Well, in fact many think Zahn is the best out there (me too).
He's the only one of the SW novels (most of which are awfully bad) who came up with proper and interesting "bad guys" (Imperial characters) such as Pellaeon, Mara Jade and Thrawn. He really kicked the Rebels hard, made them lose battles. The only dissapointment is that none of the major rebels was killed.

Thrawn couldn't comprehend using a fleet much larger than one superiority fleet, communicating and coordinating with other fleet commanders, and frequently communicating to his government. He also didn't have a staff.

Pelleaon was just a flat-out failure. He fucked up everytime he fought the Rebels except one engagement. He inherited a pitiful 8-sector shithole because everyone else to rule died.