cheating

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2003-05-08 06:42am

if you thot you could get away with cheating on a paper, would you?

Darksider · Post by **Darksider** » 2003-05-08 06:48am

[Blatent lie] no [blatent lie]

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2003-05-08 06:49am

for myself, I do it freqently. bad habit, but there you are.

InnerBrat · Post by **InnerBrat** » 2003-05-08 07:25am

No. Never cheat.

But I never think I could get away with it...

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2003-05-08 07:28am

you just need more self confidence!

Falcata · Post by **Falcata** » 2003-05-08 07:32am

hmm no I don't think I would

I cheated on a test at school once, but that was only because that teacher claimed that it was completly impossible to do in his class.

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-05-08 08:10am

Whats the difference between this thread and the part 2 thread?

Alex Moon · Post by **Alex Moon** » 2003-05-08 08:13am

Enforcer Talen · Post by **Enforcer Talen** » 2003-05-08 09:39am

Vympel wrote:Whats the difference between this thread and the part 2 thread?

one is tests and one is people.

Darth Gojira · Post by **Darth Gojira** » 2003-05-08 10:42am

I only cheat in games. There you can get away with it.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2003-05-08 10:49am

Used to...but takes away from the success for me...so no longer.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-05-08 11:19am

I'd like to say that I'm mature enough today to say no, but I've cheated many more times than I'd like to admit (though not to a large degree) in the past, so I don't know if I'd be strong enough.

Alferd Packer · Post by **Alferd Packer** » 2003-05-08 11:24am

Nope. Never have, never plan to.

But then again, papers have alway been naturally easy for me.

Iceberg · Post by **Iceberg** » 2003-05-08 11:27am

I've only cheated very rarely, but I got away with it (including copying somebody else's C++ program virtually line for line once in sophomore year) every time I did it.

Post by **Zaia** » 2003-05-08 11:29am

I'm a teacher. What do you think?

Iceberg · Post by **Iceberg** » 2003-05-08 11:34am

The secret to cheating successfully is to have a reputation so honest that none of your teachers would DREAM of accusing you of cheating. That way, if you ever have to do it, your teachers will be more likely to write it off to random chance and not bust you.

Alyeska · Post by **Alyeska** » 2003-05-08 11:39am

I can count the number of times I have cheated on one hand. I wouldn't dare cheat on a college test or paper. You are only cheating yourself by not learning the subject.

RedImperator · Post by **RedImperator** » 2003-05-08 11:43am

No, no, absolutely fucking not. What the hell kind of would-be academic passes off somone else's work as his own? I don't cheat and I fully support policies (such as Villanova's) that prescribe automatic failure of a class for cheating and expulsion for plagarism.

Iceberg · Post by **Iceberg** » 2003-05-08 11:44am

I can count the number of times I've cheated in a class on the fingers of ONE HAND, guys. I don't normally condone it except in the most extreme of circumstances.

Under all but those circumstances, I'd rather eat a bad grade on an assignment than cheat.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-05-08 11:48am

RedImperator wrote:No, no, absolutely fucking not. What the hell kind of would-be academic passes off somone else's work as his own? I don't cheat and I fully support policies (such as Villanova's) that prescribe automatic failure of a class for cheating and expulsion for plagarism.

Heh, UGA kicked out a girl from programming Chemistry information onto her TI-83 calculator for a test, no questions asked. They're pretty serious about it, too.

Iceberg · Post by **Iceberg** » 2003-05-08 11:57am

Durran Korr wrote:
RedImperator wrote:No, no, absolutely fucking not. What the hell kind of would-be academic passes off somone else's work as his own? I don't cheat and I fully support policies (such as Villanova's) that prescribe automatic failure of a class for cheating and expulsion for plagarism.
Heh, UGA kicked out a girl from programming Chemistry information onto her TI-83 calculator for a test, no questions asked. They're pretty serious about it, too.

In my book that's not cheating, that's being prepared. In the real world, you're not going to have to do academic shit without having a bunch of references in front of you. Why should I have to know my shit better in school than I will in the work force?

RedImperator · Post by **RedImperator** » 2003-05-08 11:59am

Durran Korr wrote:
RedImperator wrote:No, no, absolutely fucking not. What the hell kind of would-be academic passes off somone else's work as his own? I don't cheat and I fully support policies (such as Villanova's) that prescribe automatic failure of a class for cheating and expulsion for plagarism.
Heh, UGA kicked out a girl from programming Chemistry information onto her TI-83 calculator for a test, no questions asked. They're pretty serious about it, too.

They have to be. If a university gets a reputation for tolerating cheating, the value of its degrees drops for everybody. I'd be mad as hell if I found out my $80,000 BA was worth less than it should be because my college had a reputation for cheating. This is why I'm all for throwing them out and keeping them out--not to mention the resentment that comes when I work my ass off to write a paper and some shithead buys his off a website the night before it's due and gets a good grade on it.

RedImperator · Post by **RedImperator** » 2003-05-08 12:02pm

Iceberg wrote:In my book that's not cheating, that's being prepared. In the real world, you're not going to have to do academic shit without having a bunch of references in front of you. Why should I have to know my shit better in school than I will in the work force?

Because the test was SPECIFICALLY testing her knowledge of the formulas she had put in the calculator. By that logic, if I take a history exam and keep a little notecard with all the important names and dates on it, that's not cheating either because after college, I could look those up in an almanac.

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2003-05-08 12:59pm

RedImperator wrote:
Iceberg wrote:In my book that's not cheating, that's being prepared. In the real world, you're not going to have to do academic shit without having a bunch of references in front of you. Why should I have to know my shit better in school than I will in the work force?
Because the test was SPECIFICALLY testing her knowledge of the formulas she had put in the calculator. By that logic, if I take a history exam and keep a little notecard with all the important names and dates on it, that's not cheating either because after college, I could look those up in an almanac.

Which is just another way of saying "rote memorization." History doesn't rely on rote memorization; it relies on analyzing and interpreting what happened. If a professor can't create a test that forces students to think even though they have the formulae right in front of them, then he's just not a very good professor.

However, you also have to look at it from the standpoint that you're not playing by the rules. If she wasn't allowed to have the formulae in her calculator, then she was cheating if she did. She was breaking a stupid rule, in my opinion, but a rule nonetheless.

Darth Yoshi · Post by **Darth Yoshi** » 2003-05-08 01:20pm

Zaia wrote:I'm a teacher. What do you think?

Um...yes?

I don't believe in cheating. Which isn't to say that I've never cheated, I just think it diminishes your worth as a person.